Top bullfighter gored in Mexico

Klingon Hamlet · 25-04-2010 07:37PM

Being bred and sustained and finally killed off for life-sustaining consumption is one thing. I do actually feel bad eating meat but I simply cannot stomach most vegetables, sad I know.

But it's quite another to ritualistically starve, lacerate, repeatedly stab, partially-blind, deliberately infuriate, and then cause inhuman pain, before finally killing an animal all for entertainment.

Imagine repeatedly lacerating a low-intelligent brute, before sticking him in a boxing ring before a highly skilled, ninja-sword-wielding assassin...and being surprised when the brute outwits the attacker and opens a can of Fork You.

(I am not comparing the mental/living abilities of a bull or brute, but I'm being what the matador, his aides and his audience are not: human).

Dont be at yourself · 25-04-2010 07:37PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Would you rather live to be (Replace animal/bull with you)

and then be killed. Or to just not exist at all?

I'd rather exist, as would any animal. I'd also have my eye on the chance to retire to a stud farm.

--LOS-- wrote: »

You're not going to convince me that there is some kind of humanity in a sport like that.

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

No, coz I'm mostly veggie, not for moral reasons though but I don't believe in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals.

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

Auldloon · 25-04-2010 07:37PM

I went to a corrida in southern France a few years ago. Was quiet a show. Cant say I enjoyed it as such but their is a massive sense of occasion and tradition. I grew up around cattle and bloodsports so I had an interest in all that was happening and am not often shocked by seeing blood spilling. Doubt I would go to one again though as at the end of the day it is inflicting pain on an animal for enjoyment(the definition of cruelty)
The crowd cheer for the bull and the picadores are the villains of the piece.
I would be interested in any proof of the alleged weakening of the bulls, the ones I saw seemed in great shape, in fact one cleared the inner ring and almost made it into the audience.
Once the picadors have done their bit then its a very different animal, weakened from pain and blood loss.

Michael B · 25-04-2010 07:38PM

Naos wrote: »

Not wrong, but not fully informed - was going to type it up but found this instead:

- The animal is kept for a couple of days in a dark room, without water nor food to weaken it.

- The animal is hit with a sack of wet sand on his ribs and kidneys. This method is known among the bullfighters as "bajar al toro'' (weaken the bull).

- Vaseline is added into it's eyes to cloud the vision.

- Cotton is stuck in the bulls nose holes and throat to make it difficult to breathe.

- Very often, the tip of the bull horns get "shaved off", so they would not represent a big threat to the "brave" matador ...

- Laxatives are given to the bulls to make them more weak.

- If the bull is too weak after all these "treatments", then thinner (turpentine), is dropped on his hooves and genitals, so when the bull appears on the ring kicking and jumping, it is not because he is "furious" and "brave", but because he feels that his hooves and genitals are burning.

- Often also stab the bull testicles with knitting needles, to make them look "wilder and agressive".

- To complete their evilness, often has been reported that the wooden door that slides in an upward motion to release the tortured bull into the ring, is released to make it fall onto the bull's head, fisuring their skull just before going into the arena.

Jesus Christ. Why this hasn't been abolished by now I just don't understand. Tradition me hole. I have zero sympathy for anyone involved in this.

citizen_p · 25-04-2010 07:41PM

i went to a bull fight and didnt mind it, its their culture and im not going to try and stop it, as long as they dont feck with me, bulls arent exactly endangered either.

again about the culture, its like sharia law, stoning of people etc... isnt exactly correct human rights, but it wont be stopped without, terrorism, war, and violence, because people are afraid to piss off half of the world. and a half that takes things very seriously. thers war, poching of endangered animals, drought, feking green party with there ****ty taxes

bull fighting and that arent great comparisions, but there is alot worse going on in the world every single day.

partyatmygaff · 25-04-2010 07:47PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'd rather exist, as would any animal. I'd also have my eye on the chance to retire to a stud farm.

You'd rather live to be tortured and then killed for entertainment than to not exist at all?

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

There's a big difference between humans and most other animals. We have morals, we have a highly developed brain that can imagine how it must be like on the receiving end and not only on the inflicting end. As far as we know, other animals do not.

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

Killing and torturing animals for entertainment is a hell of a lot different than slaughtering them so as to sustain ourselves.

Samantha666 · 25-04-2010 07:53PM

A bottle of chardonnay chillin', large bar of Galaxy....and a matador getting gored in his soft bits...what a great evening this is turning out to be.

--LOS-- · 25-04-2010 07:57PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

I am far from miss PC :P, but have fun beating your chest, I will be spending my time a little more wisely.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

:pac: wow, your humanity would have set us back a few thousand years.

You're right bullfighting isn't for me or anyone who has an ounce of intelligence for that matter since your views are clearly ignorant.

Quorn burgers, no thanks, I'd rather have my health, my mind and my long life.

The Aussie · 25-04-2010 08:06PM

well you should never fight a horn with a horn, unless you live in Sydney:pac:

landsleaving · 25-04-2010 08:11PM

This story made me think of a very fitting tune:

http://www.juno.co.uk/covers/221073-01-front.htm

http://www.juno.co.uk/miniflashplayer/SF221073-01-01-01.mp3

'When the Bulll Gores the Matador Everyones Hands Clap'

Big Ears · 25-04-2010 08:13PM

Exactly what the sport of bullfighting needs, it's been too long since a Bull has won. A bit like a conference side doing well in the FA Cup, keeps big interest in it.

Wibbs · 25-04-2010 08:22PM

I've no problem with bloodsports. I am defo not one of these limp wristed ponces that lives on veggie burgers and cries foul at leather. Cant abide the breed, much like I equally cant abide the hard men who happily eat steak, but would píss themselves if they watched a cow being poleaxed, but....

Bullfighting is a load of cobblers. At least in the form and practices Naos has highlighted. Put a fully alert and non compromised bull in the ring and play ball or put a fully grown Irish type bull about twice the size and weight of one of the spanish fighting bulls and pull up a deck chair and popcorn.

Better yet push for the ancient art of bull leaping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-leaping If some ponce in spangly jacket and tight pants all the better to see his lack of cahonnies really wants to prove himself then that would show his or her* bravery. Man against animal. Animal walks away, Man may or may not. Plenty of spectacle, no animals dead. If someone in the audience wants blood, then give them a sword and invite them down.

*women used to do it too.

DublinWriter · 25-04-2010 08:24PM

Animal Kingdom 1 - Donkey Clubbers 0.

A result, I'd say.

dlofnep · 25-04-2010 08:27PM

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

It wasn't me! · 25-04-2010 08:27PM

Not a fan of bull-fighting at all. As I've said plenty of times, I have no issue with killing any animal provided it's done as cleanly as possible. This is not the case. If it were the situation that the bull were uncompromised and in the peak of good health, I'd have front row seats permanently to watch some lunatic go hand to hand with half a tonne of pointy steak, but it's not. It's essentially a slow, tortuous death, and inevitably so, so I see no sense of sport in it.

Abi · 25-04-2010 08:46PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Well, that's what you get. I hope he survives and all, but it's hard to feel sorry for him.

Meh, whatevs. He didn't give a **** about the pain the bull was being put through.

Pittens · 25-04-2010 09:21PM

Being bred and sustained and finally killed off for life-sustaining consumption is one thing. I do actually feel bad eating meat but I simply cannot stomach most vegetables, sad I know.

Lol: so you are saying that a person actually putting himself in danger to kill a dangerous animal is less moral than someone who just eats an animal with no effort.

At least in the form and practices Naos has highlighted

which is probably bollocks, pardon the pun. The bull won in this case despite being "compromised", if he was. The human is in danger, and the vast majority of people in the ring would be killed. It is far more dangerous than going to the supermarket to eat the flesh of an animal you didnt kill.

I was at a bullfight in Mexico once, the skill was impressive actually ( particularly when horsed), and the bull was dangerous. The bull was in full health. The kill was clean. That's considered part of the skill.

So would I be a bull going to a fight, or a cow going to an abattoir? The former, clearly.

The bull can can win. Your food had no chance.

Kasabian · 25-04-2010 09:42PM

If someone is slowly torturing me to death with a variety of swords then given the chance I would gore the fcuker too.

Never understood this barbaric excuse for entertainment.

Censorsh!t · 25-04-2010 10:13PM

I hate when people think bullfighting is okay because 'it's their culture'.
Just because it's culture or tradition does not justify it! You can't turn a blind eye just because things are a bit different over there.
I also hate when people start comparing the meat industry to bullfighting. Who cares, just because the steak on your plate had a worse life does not dismiss that bullfighting is still cruel. It's just the lesser of two evils.

It wasn't me! · 25-04-2010 10:15PM

Censorsh!t wrote: »

I also hate when people start comparing the meat industry to bullfighting. Who cares, just because the steak on your plate had a worse life does not dismiss that bullfighting is still cruel. It's just the lesser of two evils.

To be fair, that is just hypocrisy. It's saying you're prepared to endorse something you acknowledge as being more cruel while condemning the other act. No fan of bull-fighting, as I say, but that is basically crap.

Censorsh!t · 25-04-2010 10:19PM

It wasn't me! wrote: »

To be fair, that is just hypocrisy. It's saying you're prepared to endorse something you acknowledge as being more cruel while condemning the other act. No fan of bull-fighting, as I say, but that is basically crap.

What? I'm not endorsing eating meat. In fact, I don't eat meat.

EDIT: Maybe you misunderstood what I said. When I said "who cares" about the steak, I meant that in reference to people bringing up the meat industry. I very much care. But I don't care for when it is brought into a discussion on bullfighting.

Son Of A Vidic · 25-04-2010 10:44PM

Great news indeed, hopefully the pr1ck is minus a pair of balls.

Rhyme · 25-04-2010 10:53PM

Klingon Hamlet wrote:

Top bullfighter gored in Mexico

Good.

Top bullfighter gored in Mexico

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