Dublin a world heritage site?

Blazer

Just reading the below and had to laugh,..how the frak does anything think Dublin is on a par with the Giant's causeway or the Burren etc?


What site do you think should be on the list?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/magnificent-seven-battle-for-world-heritage-honour-2136431.html

Hagar

The only thing in Ireland worthy of that list is Brú na Bóinne.
The idea of comparing a bog to the Acropolis is cringeworthy. Are they never going to stop embarassing us?

Biggins

I don't see why Dublin shouldn't be on the list.
Given that its was originally founded by the Vikings and there were many settlements that were discovered there - not only showing Dublins historic past but with the objects found, showed the world the writings/drawings on artefacts of our ancestors. Dublin's history gives the world the opportunity to help learn stories/history onwards from that point about those that helped create it too.

Ironic too that "Dubh Linn" or "Black Pool" is now still based directly across from its British named counterpart to this day!

/Here endeth the lesson.

Dyr

lol tara should be a world heiritage site according to those gob****es yet they're sticking it in the middle of a roundabout.

Biggins

Bambi wrote: »

lol tara should be a world heritage site according to those gob****es yet they're sticking it in the middle of a roundabout.

Aaa well - that was only the seat of all our kings!
They don't want to give that insignificant place a bit of named publicity, then let the world see that a motorway was partly driven through it.

Goawd forbid, their stupidity would be exposed.

Hagar

Two words - Wood Quay.

bonerm

The site at Wood Quay might have been worth nominating for this accolade. ..... oh wait! :rolleyes:

dermothickey

you know the story lads it's all about money and tourism...bring em to dublin and we'll flleece their pockets

Mr Benevolent

There are Tesco carparks that have more heritage in them then Dublin city.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Biggins wrote: »

I don't see why Dublic shouldn't be on the list.
Given that its was originally founded by the Vikings and there were many settlements that were discovered there - not only showing Dublins historic past but with the objects found, showed the world the writings/drawings on artefacts of our ancestors. Dublin's history gives the world the opportunity to help learn stories/history onwards from that point about those that helped create it too.

Ironic too that "Dubh Linn" or "Black Pool" is now still based directly across from its British named counterpart to this day!

/Here endeth the lesson.

You could say most of that about a lot of cities in Scandanavia. Every city has it's heritage points and it's stories, but I don't think you can say that an enitre city should be on a heritage site.

Biggins

dermothickey wrote: »

you know the story lads it's all about money and tourism...bring em to dublin and we'll flleece their pockets

Meh!
Bring them to Ireland as a whole and we'll fleece their pockets!
Hang on, we are being fleeced too as well!

'Ere, who organised this cock-up of fleecing?
O' right - Fianna Fail are in charge. If fleecing is to be done they are the boy who know how to do it - mind you, how to screw it up too!

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You could say most of that about a lot of cities in Scandinavia. Every city has it's heritage points and it's stories, but I don't think you can say that an entire city should be on a heritage site.

True somewhat but we got dibs on Greek astronomer and cartographer Ptolemy mentioning us first!

Le King

Not a hope

dermothickey

Meh!
Bring them to Ireland as a whole and we'll fleece their pockets!
Hang on, we are being fleeced too as well!

very very true I suppose the more tourists we have the more it will cost for a cup of coffee and the more the restaurant crowd will up their prices again.

syklops

Hagar wrote: »

The only thing in Ireland worthy of that list is Brú na Bóinne.
The idea of comparing a bog to the Acropolis is cringeworthy. Are they never going to stop embarassing us?

I disagree. The Ceide fields are in my opinioin quite important and often over looked from a historical point of view. A civilisation who lived and died out in Ireland over a thousand years before the Pyramids were built. Thats pretty impressive.

I do think putting dublin city on there is very lazy of them though. Maybe there are parts of historical value, but you really cant put an entire city particularly one the size of dublin as a heritage site.

Its a bit like picking your dream soccer team and picking Christiano Ronaldo, George Best, Nobby Styles, Wayne Rooney, and er, all the Juventus squad from 1998.

rossie1977

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

but I don't think you can say that an enitre city should be on a heritage site.

the whole of venice, bath and verona are and most of budapest is

what happens in the case of most cities is their most historical area is given status

Hagar

We could nominate the street without the plastic sign.

Anyone?

Mr Benevolent

rossie1977 wrote: »

the whole of venice, bath and verona are and most of budapest is

what happens in the case of most cities is their most historical area is given status

Yeah, but they are attractive, well proportioned cities. Dublin is just ugly.

reprazant

Hagar wrote: »

The only thing in Ireland worthy of that list is Brú na Bóinne.
The idea of comparing a bog to the Acropolis is cringeworthy. Are they never going to stop embarassing us?

You mean the bog which contains the oldest known man-made field systems for farming which date from the stone age?

Sorry if it isn't as impressive as the Acropolis, but things which are about 2,500,000 years old tend to look a bit more shabby than things which are about 3,000 years old.

Hagar

What are you on about? There were no people in Ireland 2,500,000 years ago. There weren't any people anywhere.

We're talking 8,000 years ago max. Link.
Newgrange is about 5,000 years old Link

Ceide Fields may be a big thing in your parish, but in the big wide world it's only a few grooves and rocks in a bog.

Sykk

You lot don't realise how many people come here to see the ****.

People outside of the country generally love all that crap, not everyone hates your country as much as you do.

orourkeda

Confab wrote: »

There are Tesco carparks that have more heritage in them then Dublin city.

If they ever ever make a world heritage site in 1000 years for ignorant internet posts than you've sealed the deal already by suggesting that Dublin somehow lacks heritage.

Maybe you should get up off your hole and learn about it.

orourkeda

Confab wrote: »

Yeah, but they are attractive, well proportioned cities. Dublin is just ugly.

What improvements do you suggest or is there anything that you actually like about Dublin?

podgemonster

Dublin is probably the most unirish place in the whole of the Republic. Ruled by the British longer than another part and you can still see aspects of the rule today.

Green fields, celtic forts, famine graves, battle sites, castles, rural rugidness, crashed waves on an eroding coastline where ships have been sunk, passionate people who have trad session in their locals not because it will bring in tourists and leprechaun chasers but becasue that what the regulars want.

Dear old Skibbereen i think!

reprazant

Hagar wrote: »

Ceide Fields may be a big thing in your parish, but in the big wide world it's only a few grooves and rocks in a bog.

I'm from Dublin so no idea what you are on about in reference to parish.

What annoys me is people who seem to think that something has to look nice and big for it to be considered good, ignoring the historical significance of something.

But, hey, I guess the Burren and the Giants Causeway are also rubbish? Sure they are only bits of rock and grooves?

Hagar

Better planning laws. A respect for what we have and a firm commitment to lose no more of it to development. For instance the plan to knock down the houses in Moore St associated with the final hours of the 1916 Rising to make way for a shopping mall. In fact that whole street is a disgrace. It's fully of tatty bingo parlours and immigrant wig shops and the filth and dirt left daily by those market stalls would not be tolerated anywhere else in Europe. Only the Govt can take the initiative but will they?

Dudess

I feel Dublin shouldn't be a world heritage site because... no particular reason really, I'm just bound by an inexplicable urge to put down everything about Ireland.

orourkeda

Dudess wrote: »

I feel Dublin shouldn't be a world heritage site because... no particular reason really, I'm just bound by an inexplicable urge to put down everything about Ireland.

Youre not alone

kuntboy

Dudess wrote: »

I feel Dublin shouldn't be a world heritage site because... no particular reason really, I'm just bound by an inexplicable urge to put down everything about Ireland.

That's because you're oh-so-positive and "reasonable".

SuperGrover

blah blah... ireland is ****e... blah blah... everywhere else is great... blah... i'm so embarrassed... blah de fukin blah

Earthhorse

I don't really see how Dublin could be declared a world heritage site, not because I hate it, but simply because don't see it fulfilling the criteria outlined in the article. But it's hard to tell without knowing what comparative sites are already on the list.

Dudess

kuntboy wrote: »

That's because you're oh-so-positive and "reasonable".

Not particularly. I just don't see the point in having an inferiority complex for the sake of it.

I do of course see the point in criticising aspects of Ireland and Irish society where it's warranted.

katzenjammer

reprazant wrote: »

But, hey, I guess the Burren and the Giants Causeway are also rubbish? Sure they are only bits of rock and grooves?

Is it just me, or is the Giants Causeway a bit rubbish? I mean it's quite cool, but nothing overly exciting or unique?!

pickarooney

Potosi in Bolivia, which is a sort of Andean Castlecomer, is a world heritage site, so by that reckoning Dublin (and Bray) should be one.

hoorsmelt

Perhaps they should add the Dublin Docklands development, the remains of a perished civilisation, the Celtic Tiger

Bottle_of_Smoke

Why is Dublin "Baile Atha Cliath" rather than "Baile atha Dubh Linn"?

Earthhorse

Dubh Linn is the old Irish name for Dublin, Baile Atha Cliath is the modern Irish. Or else it's the other way around, I forget.

davearthurs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin


I think if Dublin Council had shown a record of respecting the City and it's heritage you could make a case - for example if you dare to look above the the 1st floor of many building on O'Connell/Westmoreland Street they are beautiful buildings but are totally neglected and mostly left vacant, and the street level is allowed to be filled with tacky burger joints and plastic signage/and banners (which get around signage regulations). IMHO the council doesn't give a damn about the city unless there is a buck in it. The new Carlton shopping Mall will ruin the streetscape I think and turn the city over even more to a free for all for retail developers and tiny apartment developers. I guess it comes with aspects of our history but we seem if anything desperate to tear down anything more than 50 years old and concrete and encase it in glass these days. Edinburgh it ain't. But it's becoming not really Dublin anymore either.

Blisterman

Well Dublin does have more intact Georgian terraces than just about anywhere else. That's a good enough reason to nominate "Georgian Dublin" as a world heritage site in my opinion.

davearthurs

yes, in fairness the Georgian Society has done a good job of keeping an eye on the development of areas of the southside.

mikom

Irish Independent wrote:

In its submission on Dublin, the Government says it was the most important city, after London, of the British Empire

Fair enough.

goose2005

podgemonster wrote: »

Dublin is probably the most unirish place in the whole of the Republic. Ruled by the British longer than another part and you can still see aspects of the rule today.

Green fields, celtic forts, famine graves, battle sites, castles, rural rugidness, crashed waves on an eroding coastline where ships have been sunk, passionate people who have trad session in their locals not because it will bring in tourists and leprechaun chasers but becasue that what the regulars want.

Dear old Skibbereen i think!

Again with the idea that only d'wesht is "real Ireland" - ironically, an idea largely dreamt up by the Anglo-Irish elite

Hagar

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Why is Dublin "Baile Atha Cliath" rather than "Baile atha Dubh Linn"?

Atha Cliath translates as Ford of wattles ( Wattles: a common name for trees and shrubs in the genus Acacia) so a ford at located at a well shrubbed location on the river.

Dubh Linn translates as Black Pool. A deep pool which was alongside the aforementioned ford.

The name varied depending on the emphasis placed by different people at different times either favouring the ford or the deep pool.

Simples.

fontanalis

Maybe if people kept the place clean (goes for the Irish countryside aswell) it might start to look better. i don't think Dublin is an attracttive city (but walking over O'Connel bridge on a frosty morning is nice) but it's got character, a nice way of saying it's grimy.

Bigdeadlydave

It ****ing pisses me off when people just bitch and bitch about Ireland.... its not that bloody bad. Theres lotsa nice people here, beautiful scenery, plentiful pubs sure what more ya want!



(First person to mention banks/government gets a kick)

dr gonzo

Ireland has 2 world heritage sites, Cuba alone has 9 and when the government puts through plans to submit more we all moan. Ireland has so much to offer and has many more sites then are even on our list that are UNESCO worthy, we only need to look at other sites that have made it to realise that.

As has already been said Dublin was submitted mainly for its Georgian architecture of which Dublin is the top city in the world for. The Ceide fields is the oldest stone age field system in the world, which seeing as agriculture was one of the most important transition periods is obviously indescribably significant.

I saw the full list and i personally dont think theres even enough on it let alone be embarrassed by it. We need to get over this self hate thing we've got going on.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

It ****ing pisses me off when people just bitch and bitch about Ireland.... its not that bloody bad. Theres lotsa nice people here, beautiful scenery, plentiful pubs sure what more ya want!



(First person to mention banks/government gets a kick)

Governmnet... rabble rabble. .... banks.... rabble...

Seriously, this seems to have gone off topic. It's not is Dublin/Ireland great or is it ****, it's about heritage sites. Yes there are a few, but not the entire city.

It's also worth asking: other than being historic, what unique factos do people think a place - anywhere - should have before being worthy of inclusion on the list?

Oh, and how come no one's mentioned Glendalough yet?

Paparazzo

Georgian Dublin is nice, pity so much of it had to be knocked down. Bit embarrassing having the ESB office on fitzwilliam street ruining the best bit. As nice as georgian dublin is, it's not a patch on some of the other cities on the list (Bruge, Vienna, Prague, Rome, Tallinn, Florence, Siena etc)

CianRyan

I swear, I'm going to have to stop coming onto AH.
Every time I do, I find myself getting extremely angry when I read peoples talking about how ****e Ireland is and how there's nothing good about it.

Fcuking hell, the only fcuking people that are complaining about how ****e a country it is, are the fcuking people that don't know the first fcuking thing about the fcuking country.

Get out of your house's, get our of your suburbs, get the fcuk away from the little cocoon you've submersed yourself into and take a ****ing walk. See what the country has to offer, it's full of beautiful scenery, it has so much history that is far richer than 90% of the places you lot are planning on emigrating too...

Bloody hell, I could go on and on about his but just think before you come out with this absolute BULL!****ING!****!!!

/rant.

cafecolour

There's no good reason not to submit them all. It helps with tourism (both from external and internal sources) and conservation.

I'm actually surprised there's not more bog on the list (though I guess UNESCO is more historically focused). Odd as it may seem, parts of the Irish bog (esp. raised bogs) are considered the most important remaining examples of the ecosystem in the world.

cafecolour

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, and how come no one's mentioned Glendalough yet?

From the article, I think Glendalough is on the list, just under "Early Medieval Monastic Sites". I'm not sure why Clonmacnoise gets separately listed while Glendalough gets grouped with other monastic settlements.

A_Border_Bandit

Biggins wrote: »

I don't see why Dublin shouldn't be on the list.
Given that its was originally founded by the Vikings and there were many settlements that were discovered there - not only showing Dublins historic past but with the objects found, showed the world the writings/drawings on artefacts of our ancestors. Dublin's history gives the world the opportunity to help learn stories/history onwards from that point about those that helped create it too.

Ironic too that "Dubh Linn" or "Black Pool" is now still based directly across from its British named counterpart to this day!

/Here endeth the lesson.

... And didn't ye distroy wood quay as soon as you uncovered it...