Dublin a world heritage site?

katzenjammer · 14-04-2010 01:40PM

reprazant wrote: »

But, hey, I guess the Burren and the Giants Causeway are also rubbish? Sure they are only bits of rock and grooves?

Is it just me, or is the Giants Causeway a bit rubbish? I mean it's quite cool, but nothing overly exciting or unique?!

pickarooney · 14-04-2010 01:49PM

Potosi in Bolivia, which is a sort of Andean Castlecomer, is a world heritage site, so by that reckoning Dublin (and Bray) should be one.

hoorsmelt · 14-04-2010 01:59PM

Perhaps they should add the Dublin Docklands development, the remains of a perished civilisation, the Celtic Tiger

Bottle_of_Smoke · 14-04-2010 04:11PM

Why is Dublin "Baile Atha Cliath" rather than "Baile atha Dubh Linn"?

Earthhorse · 14-04-2010 04:26PM

Dubh Linn is the old Irish name for Dublin, Baile Atha Cliath is the modern Irish. Or else it's the other way around, I forget.

davearthurs · 14-04-2010 04:29PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin

I think if Dublin Council had shown a record of respecting the City and it's heritage you could make a case - for example if you dare to look above the the 1st floor of many building on O'Connell/Westmoreland Street they are beautiful buildings but are totally neglected and mostly left vacant, and the street level is allowed to be filled with tacky burger joints and plastic signage/and banners (which get around signage regulations). IMHO the council doesn't give a damn about the city unless there is a buck in it. The new Carlton shopping Mall will ruin the streetscape I think and turn the city over even more to a free for all for retail developers and tiny apartment developers. I guess it comes with aspects of our history but we seem if anything desperate to tear down anything more than 50 years old and concrete and encase it in glass these days. Edinburgh it ain't. But it's becoming not really Dublin anymore either.

Blisterman · 14-04-2010 04:36PM

Well Dublin does have more intact Georgian terraces than just about anywhere else. That's a good enough reason to nominate "Georgian Dublin" as a world heritage site in my opinion.

davearthurs · 14-04-2010 04:41PM

yes, in fairness the Georgian Society has done a good job of keeping an eye on the development of areas of the southside.

mikom · 14-04-2010 05:03PM

Irish Independent wrote:

In its submission on Dublin, the Government says it was the most important city, after London, of the British Empire

Fair enough.

goose2005 · 14-04-2010 06:36PM

podgemonster wrote: »

Dublin is probably the most unirish place in the whole of the Republic. Ruled by the British longer than another part and you can still see aspects of the rule today.

Green fields, celtic forts, famine graves, battle sites, castles, rural rugidness, crashed waves on an eroding coastline where ships have been sunk, passionate people who have trad session in their locals not because it will bring in tourists and leprechaun chasers but becasue that what the regulars want.

Dear old Skibbereen i think!

Again with the idea that only d'wesht is "real Ireland" - ironically, an idea largely dreamt up by the Anglo-Irish elite

Hagar · 14-04-2010 06:46PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Why is Dublin "Baile Atha Cliath" rather than "Baile atha Dubh Linn"?

Atha Cliath translates as Ford of wattles ( Wattles: a common name for trees and shrubs in the genus Acacia) so a ford at located at a well shrubbed location on the river.

Dubh Linn translates as Black Pool. A deep pool which was alongside the aforementioned ford.

The name varied depending on the emphasis placed by different people at different times either favouring the ford or the deep pool.

Simples.

fontanalis · 14-04-2010 06:51PM

Maybe if people kept the place clean (goes for the Irish countryside aswell) it might start to look better. i don't think Dublin is an attracttive city (but walking over O'Connel bridge on a frosty morning is nice) but it's got character, a nice way of saying it's grimy.

Bigdeadlydave · 14-04-2010 07:22PM

It ****ing pisses me off when people just bitch and bitch about Ireland.... its not that bloody bad. Theres lotsa nice people here, beautiful scenery, plentiful pubs sure what more ya want!

(First person to mention banks/government gets a kick)

dr gonzo · 14-04-2010 08:20PM

Ireland has 2 world heritage sites, Cuba alone has 9 and when the government puts through plans to submit more we all moan. Ireland has so much to offer and has many more sites then are even on our list that are UNESCO worthy, we only need to look at other sites that have made it to realise that.

As has already been said Dublin was submitted mainly for its Georgian architecture of which Dublin is the top city in the world for. The Ceide fields is the oldest stone age field system in the world, which seeing as agriculture was one of the most important transition periods is obviously indescribably significant.

I saw the full list and i personally dont think theres even enough on it let alone be embarrassed by it. We need to get over this self hate thing we've got going on.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-04-2010 11:51PM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

It ****ing pisses me off when people just bitch and bitch about Ireland.... its not that bloody bad. Theres lotsa nice people here, beautiful scenery, plentiful pubs sure what more ya want!

(First person to mention banks/government gets a kick)

Governmnet... rabble rabble. .... banks.... rabble...

Seriously, this seems to have gone off topic. It's not is Dublin/Ireland great or is it ****, it's about heritage sites. Yes there are a few, but not the entire city.

It's also worth asking: other than being historic, what unique factos do people think a place - anywhere - should have before being worthy of inclusion on the list?

Oh, and how come no one's mentioned Glendalough yet?

Paparazzo · 15-04-2010 12:11AM

Georgian Dublin is nice, pity so much of it had to be knocked down. Bit embarrassing having the ESB office on fitzwilliam street ruining the best bit. As nice as georgian dublin is, it's not a patch on some of the other cities on the list (Bruge, Vienna, Prague, Rome, Tallinn, Florence, Siena etc)

CianRyan · 15-04-2010 01:22AM

I swear, I'm going to have to stop coming onto AH.
Every time I do, I find myself getting extremely angry when I read peoples talking about how ****e Ireland is and how there's nothing good about it.

Fcuking hell, the only fcuking people that are complaining about how ****e a country it is, are the fcuking people that don't know the first fcuking thing about the fcuking country.

Get out of your house's, get our of your suburbs, get the fcuk away from the little cocoon you've submersed yourself into and take a ****ing walk. See what the country has to offer, it's full of beautiful scenery, it has so much history that is far richer than 90% of the places you lot are planning on emigrating too...

Bloody hell, I could go on and on about his but just think before you come out with this absolute BULL!****ING!****!!!

/rant.

cafecolour · 15-04-2010 01:59AM

There's no good reason not to submit them all. It helps with tourism (both from external and internal sources) and conservation.

I'm actually surprised there's not more bog on the list (though I guess UNESCO is more historically focused). Odd as it may seem, parts of the Irish bog (esp. raised bogs) are considered the most important remaining examples of the ecosystem in the world.

cafecolour · 15-04-2010 02:02AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Oh, and how come no one's mentioned Glendalough yet?

From the article, I think Glendalough is on the list, just under "Early Medieval Monastic Sites". I'm not sure why Clonmacnoise gets separately listed while Glendalough gets grouped with other monastic settlements.

A_Border_Bandit · 15-04-2010 02:08AM

Biggins wrote: »

I don't see why Dublin shouldn't be on the list.
Given that its was originally founded by the Vikings and there were many settlements that were discovered there - not only showing Dublins historic past but with the objects found, showed the world the writings/drawings on artefacts of our ancestors. Dublin's history gives the world the opportunity to help learn stories/history onwards from that point about those that helped create it too.

Ironic too that "Dubh Linn" or "Black Pool" is now still based directly across from its British named counterpart to this day!

/Here endeth the lesson.

... And didn't ye distroy wood quay as soon as you uncovered it...

CianRyan · 15-04-2010 02:34AM

A_Border_Bandit wrote: »

... And didn't ye distroy wood quay as soon as you uncovered it...

There's still parts of it(a good chunk of it) under some of the building along the rivers. Up by DCC.
Walking around that area, there's loads of spots you can see parts of the old city walls, some excavated sites and there's one section in particular that you can go down into and see where small boats use to dock, along with a cellar(for want of a better word).

I'm not sure how accessible it is to the general public, how ever.
I got to see it when I was in work experience in the City Council. Good oul daddy(one of the suits of the place) organized for me to go down and see it one of the days.
Really cool too see.

Dublin a world heritage site?

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