Irish Coursing Club offer €20,000 Reward

stevoman

Just to highlight this if anyone knows anything.

Copied from NARGC Website.

REWARD
Irish Coursing Club offers €20,000 Reward

...for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible for the injury and suffering of the hare released on video by Association of Hunt Saboteurs, alleging to be at Powerstown Park, Clonmel, Co. Tipperary on February 2010.

The hare in this video, which was released on the Youtube website eight weeks following the National Meeting, is clearly restrained with a wire or thin cord, and appears to be convulsing. Closer inspection will show the hare is trying to escape from being restrained, and is possibly partly sedated or poisoned. Claims are made this video was taken during the third day of the National Coursing Meeting, February 3, 2010, but due to the constant presence of paddock stewards/other personnel, and other related details, this is extremely unlikely. A break-in to the hare park prior to the National Meeting was previously reported to the Gardai. The Gardai at Clonmel are currently investigating this act of cruelty.

The Irish Coursing Club unreservedly condemns the maltreatment of this hare. We strongly urge anyone with relevant information to come forward on whoever perpetrated this act of cruelty to discredit coursing.

Please contact the Clonmel Detective Branch Office 052 6122222 or the Garda Confidential number 1800 666111

Further Information:

DJ Histon
Irish Coursing Club
087-6358127

PaulB91

i'm confuselled

are the "Irish Coursing Club " saying that the sabateurs tied up the hare and released the video ? can't see the video in work

Whispered

I'd imagine they somehow got the video and released it?

Nice to see them taking responsibility and trying to weed out the worse of them. I can never understand how such things are overlooked. Same as dog fighting. Ok there may be one or 2 hard hearted people in a group who think it's ok, sort of ring leaders. But why do the rest just stand by and allow it to happen. It's horrific.

Vel

Funny how they are never so quick to offer rewards for information that might lead them to the people who dump their greyhounds in terrible conditions :rolleyes:

Trying to pass this off as them being concerned about the alleged cruelty or mistreatment of a hare is laughable. Its so transparent and self-serving.

The €20,000 would be much better donated to some of the rescues who mop up the dogs once they are surplus to the requirements of this industry.

Whispered

On the other hand though. If they are seen to be actively seeking out the worst offenders it might put others off.

It may be self serving, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

stevoman

vel wrote:

Funny how they are never so quick to offer rewards for information that might lead them to the people who dump their greyhounds in terrible conditions

Trying to pass this off as them being concerned about the alleged cruelty or mistreatment of a hare is laughable. Its so transparent and self-serving.

The €20,000 would be much better donated to some of the rescues who mop up the dogs once they are surplus to the requirements of this industry.

ah c'mon now talk about tarring all the one people with the same brush.

thats only biiter talk, i know umpteen people who treat their lurchers and greyhounds like kids as opposed to people who treat them unkindly.

seamus

Agreed with Vel. This is shameless PR, trying to give the impression that this was an "outside job".

€20k would be much better served if they donated it to one of the Greyhound-specific rescues out there.

stevoman

seamus wrote:

Agreed with Vel. This is shameless PR, trying to give the impression that this was an "outside job".

€20k would be much better served if they donated it to one of the Greyhound-specific rescues out there.

If you are going to make accusations like that, methinks it would be a good idea to back it up with some proof.

EGAR

I am confused. So setting dogs after a hare in an enclosed area is ok and doesn't consitute cruelty?

Vel

helena.ryan wrote: »

On the other hand though. If they are seen to be actively seeking out the worst offenders it might put others off.

It may be self serving, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't understand fully what you mean though. They are alleging that animal rights campaigners did this, not someone from inside the industry, so its not like they are standing up and taking a stand against one of their own

cos!!

If you watch the video you can clearly see a wire around the hares neck, its disgusting how far antis will go!

ppink

what i cannot understand about this video clip is how someone could film that without calling a vet.

Whispered

Vel wrote: »

I don't understand fully what you mean though. They are alleging that animal rights campaigners did this, not someone from inside the industry, so its not like they are standing up and taking a stand against one of their own

Oh I thought that the video was released by a sab.

Sorry, my mistake.

In that case :mad:

Discodog

Well it is nice that the Hare Video issue has it's own thread. The actual video is 40 minutes long. It was filmed by two Swedish students who's details have been given to the Guards long ago - their names are even on a public website. The full video is with the Garda Commissioner who has been asked to investigate a breach of Coursing regulations.

Whether or not there is a snare, cable, string etc is totally unclear from the video. There is a dark area on the neck of the hair but it could be a shadow as it is too wide to be a snare or wire. One of the arguments is that a muzzled Greyhound cannot harm a Hare. The video does show what appears to be a collision between the Greyhound, the Hare & a post. A 30 kg plus dog packs quite a punch.

The ICC version is that two people smuggled a drugged Hare into a Coursing meet. They then managed to deposit the Hare into an enclosure full of Hares that were being guarded by stewards. They then had to wait for the Hare to recover - anyone who has anaesthetised a wild animal knows that this has a very variable time frame. Once the Hare recovered they had to film it struggling till it died - could of taken hours with no one noticing ?.
Finally they had to remove the dead Hare & snare/wire & smuggle them back out again.

All of this had to be done in a compound that is guarded because under Coursing rules the stewards are responsible for the well being of the Hares. It was also during a major Coursing event that was being watched by thousands of people. The students paid to get in & entered/left via the entrances. Their video shows all aspects of coursing & they claim that they openly filmed the Hare enclosure from a public area using a telephoto lens.

The other possible version of events is that the Hare collided with a pole & sustained a brain or spinal injury. It was then left to suffer. This would be a major breach of Coursing regulations & would constitute cruelty. If true then it could result in serious sanctions against the stewards or ICC.

I would love €20,000 of the ICC money but the likelihood of a trial, let alone any conviction is nil.

Sigma Force

Bit hypocritical, considering what they do to hares themselves.

ppink

Discodog wrote: »

Well it is nice that the Hare Video issue has it's own thread. The actual video is 40 minutes long. It was filmed by two Swedish students who's details have been given to the Guards long ago - their names are even on a public website. The full video is with the Garda Commissioner who has been asked to investigate a breach of Coursing regulations.

Whether or not there is a snare, cable, string etc is totally unclear from the video. There is a dark area on the neck of the hair but it could be a shadow as it is too wide to be a snare or wire. One of the arguments is that a muzzled Greyhound cannot harm a Hare. The video does show what appears to be a collision between the Greyhound, the Hare & a post. A 30 kg plus dog packs quite a punch.

The ICC version is that two people smuggled a drugged Hare into a Coursing meet. They then managed to deposit the Hare into an enclosure full of Hares that were being guarded by stewards. They then had to wait for the Hare to recover - anyone who has anaesthetised a wild animal knows that this has a very variable time frame. Once the Hare recovered they had to film it struggling till it died - could of taken hours with no one noticing ?.
Finally they had to remove the dead Hare & snare/wire & smuggle them back out again.

All of this had to be done in a compound that is guarded because under Coursing rules the stewards are responsible for the well being of the Hares. It was also during a major Coursing event that was being watched by thousands of people. The students paid to get in & entered/left via the entrances. Their video shows all aspects of coursing & they claim that they openly filmed the Hare enclosure from a public area using a telephoto lens.

The other possible version of events is that the Hare collided with a pole & sustained a brain or spinal injury. It was then left to suffer. This would be a major breach of Coursing regulations & would constitute cruelty. If true then it could result in serious sanctions against the stewards or ICC.

I would love €20,000 of the ICC money but the likelihood of a trial, let alone any conviction is nil.

This still does not answer why these people would video an animal suffering/ in pain/ dying and not report it to anyone or call a vet, surely if thing were as they said they could film wiht one hand and phone a vet/the guards with the other?

Discodog

Vel wrote: »

Funny how they are never so quick to offer rewards for information that might lead them to the people who dump their greyhounds in terrible conditions :rolleyes:

Trying to pass this off as them being concerned about the alleged cruelty or mistreatment of a hare is laughable. Its so transparent and self-serving.

The €20,000 would be much better donated to some of the rescues who mop up the dogs once they are surplus to the requirements of this industry.

The IGB do give a staggering 2% of race winnings to welfare. That tells you how much they really care about the dogs.

Graces7

They use LIVE HARES?

Surely this is not so in the UK?

That is appalling.

stevoman

Yes hares are used but the dogs are muzzelled. In the Uk it is in fact now banned under the hunting act, though coursing in the UK did not involve muzzling dogs.

Here's some food for thought though. I have come across this report and read it and it made for some interesting reading.

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/do/ecco.py/view_item?listid=1&listcatid=1&listitemid=6688#cr

I read the full report from the university and it was very insightful. It seemed to be in depth research into the matter.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Graces7 wrote: »

They use LIVE HARES?

Surely this is not so in the UK?

That is appalling.

Yes! I think you are confusing Grayhound Racing and Coursing.

Discodog

ppink wrote: »

This still does not answer why these people would video an animal suffering/ in pain/ dying and not report it to anyone or call a vet, surely if thing were as they said they could film wiht one hand and phone a vet/the guards with the other?

I seem to recall reading that they did tell the stewards. Calling a vet or the Guards would be pointless & as Swedish nationals they may not of even known the number of a vet. The Hare appears to die very quickly. I have rescued live rabbits that have been snared for long enough that the wire has cut deep into their neck but they have still been alive.

However whoever or whatever killed the Hare it was in the custody of the ICC & they have total responsibility for it's well being.

The research is nothing new. If you want to find the biggest pheasant population you look at shoots where the pheasants are bred & their natural predators are killed.

Coursing groups do the same for Hares. As you will see from the video there are lots of Hares in the enclosure. These are wild animals that have to be trapped/caught before the "event". So it would be expected that the coursers would encourage Hare breeding etc to ensure that they have enough to course with. One could almost argue that, like Stags, Hares are "farmed" for Coursing.

Cos: as for your wire I have shown this video to a few wildlife vets in the UK. They all agree that the video is inconclusive. Should the ICC ever get to a Court with this I have no doubt that there would be a stalemate with expert testimony on both sides.

Tinytony

It is disgraceful that so-called animal lovers would stoop to something like this. Then again these so called activists have shown little regard for wildlife in the past, so why would they start now.

They thought they had come up with a clever little plan to try to show coursing in a bad light but it has back-fired spectacularly. It's a pity this video didn't emerge before these very same people went on Frontline claiming to be animal lovers.

Vel

Tinytony wrote: »

it has back-fired spectacularly.

How so? Are you saying that just because the ICC have reported it to the police? Nothing has been proved and I'm reliably informed that the ICC haven't received any worthwhile information, despite their 'generous' reward offer.

Don't kid yourself into the thinking the general public are as outraged at this as all the pro coursers who feel so hard done by! This may still bubbling away on forums devoted to coursing and greyhound racing but apart from that its a distant memory to most who might have read about it in the paper or wherever. But if the pro-coursers want to keep telling themselves that the general public are as outraged as they are, then far be it from me to let them think otherwise!

Tinytony

Of course it back-fired.

The aim of the video was to show coursing in a bad light but the only people who have come out of this looking bad are the anti's who staged the video and strangled that hare.

Discodog

I have offered the ICC the names of the students who took the video (it's on a public website & has been given to the Guards) but I am not getting €20,000. As they clearly have some spare money I back Vel's idea of giving it to the welfare fund.

Vel

Tinytony wrote: »

Of course it back-fired.

The aim of the video was to show coursing in a bad light but the only people who have come out of this looking bad are the anti's who staged the video and strangled that hare.

In your opinion, it shows them in a bad light. As nothing has been proven it doesn't make me or those I have asked think of the antis in a bad light. In fact, a quick survey of my office yesterday and its the people who participate in coursing who they see in a bad light You seem to have some kind of inside information on this video as you are so adament it was staged. I hope you have passed that on to the ICC?

BryanL

Discodog wrote: »

Calling a vet or the Guards would be pointless & as Swedish nationals they may not of even known the number of a vet.

The Hare appears to die very quickly.

There are plenty of gardai at the coursing meet in Clonmel, it would have been very easy to have made contact with one.

The hare, does not appear to die quickly, it appears to come back to LIFE!

Discodog

BryanL wrote: »

There are plenty of gardai at the coursing meet in Clonmel, it would have been very easy to have made contact with one.

The hare, does not appear to die quickly, it appears to come back to LIFE!

So these guys broke into the compound whilst there were plenty of Gardai there as well as security stewards ?. They must of been the Swedish SAS. Where is the Hare & the Wire or did they break back in to take them away ?. This would of provided conclusive evidence yet it does not exist.

Anyone looking objectively must see the whole ICC story as utterly unbelievable.

ppink

Discodog wrote: »

I seem to recall reading that they did tell the stewards. Calling a vet or the Guards would be pointless & as Swedish nationals they may not of even known the number of a vet.
The research is nothing new. If you want to find the biggest pheasant population you look at shoots where the pheasants are bred & their natural predators are killed.

Discodog wrote: »

So these guys broke into the compound whilst there were plenty of Gardai there as well as security stewards ?. They must of been the Swedish SAS. Where is the Hare & the Wire or did they break back in to take them away ?. This would of provided conclusive evidence yet it does not exist.

Anyone looking objectively must see the whole ICC story as utterly unbelievable.

i am looking objectively at it and honestly i do not buy it for one second that they could not have contacted someone instead of continuing with this filming...or if there are two of them one could have contacted someone while the other kept filming. i know Powerstown Park very well and it would have been possible for one to remain hidden to an extent while filming if anyone heeded their call to help the animal.
I also agree that anytime there is an event...race meet or whatever at Powerstown Park there are stewards all over the place so not being able to contact someone is no excuse.

Discodog

ppink wrote: »

i am looking objectively at it and honestly i do not buy it for one second that they could not have contacted someone instead of continuing with this filming...or if there are two of them one could have contacted someone while the other kept filming. i know Powerstown Park very well and it would have been possible for one to remain hidden to an extent while filming if anyone heeded their call to help the animal.
I also agree that anytime there is an event...race meet or whatever at Powerstown Park there are stewards all over the place so not being able to contact someone is no excuse.

Who says that they didn't contact anyone ?. I have not read their statements, maybe you have. Perhaps they did & no one did anything about it. You keep stating how there are stewards all over the place yet no one saw the supposed planting of the Hare, the filming, or it's removal. According to the ICC both students were fully occupied with one filming & the other pulling a wire.

The fact remains that at a Coursing meet it is the duty of all these stewards to ensure the safe keeping of the Hares at all times which clearly they did not do.

It wasn't me!

Discodog wrote: »

The fact remains that at a Coursing meet it is the duty of all these stewards to ensure the safe keeping of the Hares at all times which clearly they did not do.

To be honest, that's a cop out. I don't have an opinion on whether there was interference on the anti-coursing side for the creation of propaganda, but if there was, you're saying that it's the stewards' fault for failing to stop them, rather than their fault for doing it in the first place. That's a really ridiculous line of argument.

Graces7

It wasn't me! wrote: »

To be honest, that's a cop out. I don't have an opinion on whether there was interference on the anti-coursing side for the creation of propaganda, but if there was, you're saying that it's the stewards' fault for failing to stop them, rather than their fault for doing it in the first place. That's a really ridiculous line of argument.

No it isn't. Part of this issue is the lack of care of the hares.

Discodog

Courser's capture wild Hares & transport them to a meet where they are chased by dogs. By law they are allowed to do this on the strict understanding that the Hares will be constantly monitored & returned physically unharmed though we don't consider their mental state.

We simply do not know for certain how, why, or even if the Hare died. It is not a cop out to point out that the stewards clearly did not carry out their obligations under the law.

I agree that if & to me it is a very implausible if, this was staged then it would be wrong. However all the bluster & €20,000 reward has not provided one shred of evidence of wrongdoing by the Students who filmed this.

ppink

Who tied the wire around the hare's neck then as it is plainly visable?

Powerstown park is a very big place and while it is easy to hide where they have hidden it is also a place where they undoubtably would have seen stewards from......thats not saying the stewards would have seen them where they have filmed from.

Discodog

ppink wrote: »

Who tied the wire around the hare's neck then as it is plainly visable?

Powerstown park is a very big place and while it is easy to hide where they have hidden it is also a place where they undoubtably would have seen stewards from......thats not saying the stewards would have seen them where they have filmed from.

They would seen Stewards but the Stewards might not of seen them !. They were two student with a big video camera & the Stewards have the job of monitoring the Hares. For your version of events to be true they would of had to been hanging around the Hare enclosure for ages without being seen.

The drugged Hare, mysterious wire, no stewards etc makes this unbelievable. If this happened then the ICC would be showing the dead Hare & the wire to the world. Also it would mean that the Hares were left unsupervised for a long time in direct breach of the regulations.

ppink

I think you need to know the area to know what I am talking about.

It does not appear to be done on anything bigger than a little camcorder.

The wire???

Discodog

It was filmed on one of these - hardly small. The wire that you claim was tied around the neck of the Hare. Why don't the ICC have the dead Hare complete with wire noose ?.

ppink

do you think there is no wire then?

i have shown the clip to others who care little about coursing right or wrong and the first question was what is the story with the wire. It is clearly visable from the clip I have watched.

Discodog

Having read the Student's very detailed statement, it is available online, the video was filmed some distance from the Hare compound. This might account for why it appears to be poor quality even though it was shot with a pretty good camera.

The video has been viewed by wildlife experts including specialist wildlife vets in the UK. Some say that there could be something around the Hare's neck others say that they think that it is a shadow. The majority concur that a Hare appears to collide with a pole.

Coursing is allowed on the false premise that a muzzled Greyhound cannot hurt a Hare. Anyone who has owned or even walked a Greyhound will know that they possess remarkable strength. My girl has knocked me off my feet & heaven knows what she would of done if she hit a Hare the same way.

One could just as easily allege that someone in the Coursing fraternity attached a snare to use the Hare for illegal blooding. There is no proof. The IGB would not risk €20,000 if they thought there was the slightest chance of paying out. It is clearly a publicity stunt which could backfire especially if the Students sue for defamation.

ppink

I am not really looking at the grief caused to the hare by coursing yet. my responses as an independant person are based on what I have seen here.

The "shadow" is not what I am referring to by the wire as i agree that is not clear but what is very clear is that there is something, attached to the neck of the hare, beating off the ground as it is struggeling. It is as clear as day to me and others i have shown it to. I am not suggesting who put it there but the filming of it is somethign i would have a big issue with.
The filming was not done at a great distance from the hare enclosure, knowing Powerstown Park I can see that clearly too.

Either way whatever has gone on here is not nice.

Tinytony

The reponses on here are bizzare. So called animal-lovers not overly concerned about a hare being strangled, but more concerned in thinking they have got one over on the coursing club because they weren't able to stop the hare being strangled. Why are people on here trying to kid themselves that there is no wire in the film? It is as obvious as hell that there is, but the attitude on here is "even if there was a wire then it's the coursing clubs fault".

There was a break-in at the course (reported to Gardai) prior to the meeting taking place and is believed that this is win this cruel act was filmed, not during the actual coursing festival itself and that is even if it was filmed at powerstown at all. As there are no wide pan shots of the hare being strangled it could easily have been filmed elsewhere and then edited into the other footage.

Graces7

Tinytony wrote: »

The reponses on here are bizzare. So called animal-lovers not overly concerned about a hare being strangled, but more concerned in thinking they have got one over on the coursing club because they weren't able to stop the hare being strangled. Why are people on here trying to kid themselves that there is no wire in the film? It is as obvious as hell that there is, but the attitude on here is "even if there was a wire then it's the coursing clubs fault".

There was a break-in at the course (reported to Gardai) prior to the meeting taking place and is believed that this is win this cruel act was filmed, not during the actual coursing festival itself and that is even if it was filmed at powerstown at all. As there are no wide pan shots of the hare being strangled it could easily have been filmed elsewhere and then edited into the other footage.

Sadly many of these matters come down to politics do they not?

Many here care very deeply indeed.

Discodog

If the Students are guilty of breaking & entering then charge them. I am not surprised that the ICC are trying the break in tactic. The Hares are monitored constantly from capture to release or they are supposed to be. So where were the stewards during the supposed break in ?. In any event the ICC are hardly likely to admit the truth if it would incriminate them.

The so called animal lovers are concerned about the way that the barbaric "sport" of Hare Coursing which is banned elsewhere continues in Ireland. This was one Hare of hundreds that are subjected to unacceptable abuse. This animal lover would chose to believe the testimony of two Swedish students rather than that of an organisation who has no interest in animal welfare.

charlesanto

I have watched the video and am 100% satisfied that the hare is restrained.

I watched the video before the ICC or anyone else made statements/press releases and at that stage formed the opinion that the film was staged.

I have no direct or indirect involvement in coursing and have no strong views on whether coursing should or should not be banned.
After watching this video i do however have strong feelings against animal rights activists.

I also recommend that people read the press release on the ICC website themselves because "Discodog" has misquoted it several times on this thread.

tomybhoy

I too am 100% sure that there is a wire around the hares neck, not only was the wire around the hares neck but it is evident from the video that the students should have been able to film the person pulling the hares neck as well with no bother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3L7BplMwg

That is the hare being strangled in slow motion, there is also another video about to be released that will show the perimeter on the enclosure and a quick scan with the camera would have caught the culprit, that is of course if they wanted the culprit to be caught, it is rumoured that one of the students signed a petition before going into powerstown, it is also rumoured that they had links with people in Ireland, all will be revealed in due course if my source is correct.

Discodog

What have I misquoted please elucidate. These are direct quotes:

"A second inspection of the video by ICC officials and members as well as IT and veterinary experts"

Who are these "experts" & where is their report ?. Why are they not named so that their testimony can be questioned.

"On Tuesday, 30 March 2010, a disturbingly engineered video"

Where is the proof that the video was engineered ?. If the ICC had proof why wouldn't they show it ?.

I could go on & on but anyone can read the statement for themselves. It was made by an organisation that supports capturing wild hares & then allowing dogs to chase them yet we are supposed to believe that they care about the welfare of the Hares.

I am amazed at all the people who do not have a view pro or against coursing but that study this video in forensic detail & read ICC statements. These people also seem to openly blame those that oppose animal cruelty again with no evidence of wrong doing.

If there is nothing wrong with Coursing why don't people just say so.

Gortglas

Ok time for some facts on the matter gathered from researching this topic and mainly form the ICC Website.

-30th March, thei video was edited and released on the YouTube by Bernie Wright of the association of hunt sabateurs, ICABS and numerous other organisations operating under the umbrella of welfare and operating from 'PO BOx 4374'. Comments appeared in the media, via letteres to Editors etc almost instantly for numerous welfare organisations, hitting out at the ICC (Irish Coursing Club). These included 'Greyhound Action', 'Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty', 'Association of Hunt Sabateours', 'ICABS', 'Alliance for Animal Rights' etc... Funnily enough all of these 'welfare groups' operate form the same PO Box and are all orchestrated by the same small groups of people. These people prey on the heart strings of the masses with shock tactics and untruths, and will stop at nothing to get their point accross. This video and subsequent press release was planned with precision.

- On first viewing of the video, there are a numer of flaws. In the early part of the video you can clearly hear the noise of the 13,000+ crowd on Powerstown park and the tannoy announcements, but there is silence when the hare compound is being filmed. This cannot have been on any of the dasy of the coursing meeting. (for those unfamiliar the hares would be caught, vacinated and fed in the compound in the days leading up to the national coursing meeting). During the course of the national meeting the hare compound is manned by stewards and security personell, if this happend during that time, why did the person filming think it more imprtant to 'get the shot' rather than alert somebody who could have called one of the onsite vets (there were 3) to asist the clearly restrained hare.

- There is clearly a wire restraining and shaking the hare during this video. This is absolutely vile behaviour by people claiming to represent animal welfare.

- So when did this happen. Well there was a break-in to the hare compound on the day previous to the national meeting. The damage to the fence was in proximity to the camera angle and the direction from with the wire was being pulled. This break-in was reported to the Gardai at the time.

PeakOutput

just watched the video i am a city boy with no connections to coursing one way or the other

the hare is most definitely restrained

the story does all sound a bit suspect and i hope the truth does come out asap

Tarsna

Discodog wrote: »

What have I misquoted please elucidate. These are direct quotes:

"A second inspection of the video by ICC officials and members as well as IT and veterinary experts"

Who are these "experts" & where is their report ?. Why are they not named so that their testimony can be questioned.

"On Tuesday, 30 March 2010, a disturbingly engineered video"

Where is the proof that the video was engineered ?. If the ICC had proof why wouldn't they show it ?.

I could go on & on but anyone can read the statement for themselves. It was made by an organisation that supports capturing wild hares & then allowing dogs to chase them yet we are supposed to believe that they care about the welfare of the Hares.

I am amazed at all the people who do not have a view pro or against coursing but that study this video in forensic detail & read ICC statements. These people also seem to openly blame those that oppose animal cruelty again with no evidence of wrong doing.

If there is nothing wrong with Coursing why don't people just say so.

Disco Dog

You are full of misinformation

YOU are not being informed because it is a art of a Gaudi investigation....and YOU are not privy to this.....in due course we will all know the truth of this dredful act

The hare being coursed in the video collided with a piece of TEN INCH THICK FOAM FENCE..........yes it looked spectacular......but in fact the whole top fence by the escape is covered with a wall of thick foam sheeting ........to prevent injury to both hare and hound.

You proudly boast that Coursing was banned in England........The facts are that Hare Coursing in England was subject to TWO independent inquries (Burns report) Both these inquries found in favour of Coursing and reported that Coursing Clubs work tirelessly to help with hare conservation.
The simple facts is that now .....Coursing has been banned as a result of a law intended to stop Foxhunting. The Hare in England is now shot in the Hundreds ......and has lost its Gaudians.

Coursing Clubs do not "farm Hares".........but they do protect the grounds they are on by practicing vermin control...........In other words they keep Fox and MINK ........(who kill thousands of young hares a year) to a minimum

These MINK who are the main killers of Hares are not native animals......they were released by your friends the animal activists from mink farm..........So in effect the animals rights groups are the main enemy of the hare.............along with Poachers who go out to kill the hares with their dogs. Coursing Clubs also protect the hares from poachers.

This year 98.7% of captured hares were released back into the wild...........whos to say...........had all those hares been left in the wild..........more hares would have perrished naturally

stevoman

Discodog wrote: »

The IGB would not risk €20,000 if they thought there was the slightest chance of paying out. It is clearly a publicity stunt which could backfire especially if the Students sue for defamation.

How on earth do you know that? Really? Do you have any affiliations with the coursing club that you know inside information that they dont intend to pay out such a reward?

Your just being silly IMO.

Fair enough if your anti coursing, everyone is intitled to an opinion, but whats the point in posting on websites that organisations have no intent on paying out reward money when you have no proof of that.

Discodog

Gortglas wrote: »

Ok time for some facts on the matter gathered from researching this topic and mainly form the ICC Website.

Facts that you have obtained from the ICC who organise Coursing. Are we supposed to assume that these facts are not rather biased ?. All this bluff, more bluff, legal threats, rewards, rumours & speculation. Nothing is proved. Do you & the ICC think that if you could prove that this video is faked that it would change people's opinion of coursing ?.

Will the ICC tell us how many Greyhounds are killed every year ?. The ICC& the IGB are very selective with their facts. The undisputed fact is that the ICC & it's supporters believe that it is acceptable to capture a wild animal & then let hounds chase it purely for pleasure plus, let us not forget, betting money.

You may consider these to be people of integrity whose word is gospel. I do not.