What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 12:51pm #1

Young lad was stabbed and now Gay/Lesbians/Unions/Plough-and-Star types have been invited to bring their banners to the GoR for a march on the Dail. What's the purpose of this?

Danbo! · 09-04-2010 12:53pm

Probably to show that the country is fed up with prejudice, and wishes all racists/homophobes would just FOD.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 12:55pm

Stee wrote: »

Probably to show that the country is fed up with prejudice, and wishes all racists/homophobes would just FOD.

Oh right.

And how do they now hope the two lads who allegedly killed him will now have a fair trial, given that they are basically announcing, of their own accord, that his killing was racially motivated?

Fuhrer · 09-04-2010 12:55pm

What about the people who are sick of rallys runing their day?

stevoman · 09-04-2010 12:56pm

I thought thi thread was something to do with motoring.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 12:58pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Oh right.

And how do they now hope the two lads who allegedly killed him will now have a fair trial, given that they are basically announcing, of their own accord, that his killing was racially motivated?

Well it was the Gardai that first brought the racial motive to light, so maybe you should take it up with them......

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 12:58pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

What about the people who are sick of rallys runing their day?

My guess is it will be a big nothing, some Trotksyite will do all the talking, 200 of them will leave the GoR and there will be 8 of them left by the time they reach the Dail, having been sucked into the houses of sin along the way.

These yobs are basically hijacking this chaps plight to to try and make some sort of a Lawrence case out of this.

They thrive off this kind of thing, it helps keep them relevant. If they really wanted to help they would say nothing and do less that would prejudice the trial. If the killers have a chance of getting off, its by saying their trial was prejudiced.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 12:59pm

Nodin wrote: »

Well it was the Gardai that first brought the racial motive to light, so maybe you should take it up with them......

Gardai use powers all the time to make arrests and detentions. Sure you could be held under the Offences Against The State Act and never charged.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:00pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

These yobs are basically hijacking this chaps plight to to try and make some sort of a Lawrence case out of this.

The Stephen Lawrence case involved institutional racism on behalf of the Metropolitan police.....theres no comparison.

Kiera · 09-04-2010 1:00pm

People dont know the full story about this. There are two sides to every story. Having a rally is a bit much tbh.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:01pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Gardai use powers all the time to make arrests and detentions.

What? Like x-ray vision and the ability to fly?

biko · 09-04-2010 1:01pm

Anyone a link to this story?

RMD · 09-04-2010 1:02pm

My guess is any form of group within Irish culture who could possibly be discriminated against were invited to this rally to show the Dail their opinion, damn right as well.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

What? Like x-ray vision and the ability to fly?

No, like powers of arrest and detention, silly.

Danbo! · 09-04-2010 1:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

What? Like x-ray vision and the ability to fly?

Not anymore, more like Go Go Gadget, erm, handcuffs. God damn budget cuts.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:03pm

RMD wrote: »

My guess is any form of group within Irish culture who could possibly be discriminated against were invited to this rally to show the Dail their opinion, damn right as well.

Sure that could be anyone and everyone.

Just admit it...when a black person dies, it's racial.

peabutler · 09-04-2010 1:03pm

Their must have been racial tension in the area otherwise they would not have had a local Racial Equality officer or whatever they call it in the area.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:03pm

peabutler wrote: »

Their must have been racial tension in the area otherwise they would not have had a local Racial Equality officer or whatever they call it in the area.

Tyrrelstown...that bastion of racial hatred and infernal race wars.

peabutler · 09-04-2010 1:03pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Sure that could be anyone and everyone.

Just admit it...when a black person dies, it's racial.

That's a stupid uninformed post.

rubensni · 09-04-2010 1:03pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Gardai use powers all the time to make arrests and detentions. Sure you could be held under the Offences Against The State Act and never charged.

for 72 hrs tops, and they need the say so of a Chief Superintendent and the District Court for the 2nd and 3rd 24 hour periods.

rubensni · 09-04-2010 1:06pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Tyrrelstown...that bastion of racial hatred and infernal race wars.

Apparently there's tension there:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0409/1224267967713.html

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:08pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Sure that could be anyone and everyone.

Just admit it...when a black person dies, it's racial.

It is when the accussed has a conviction for a previous racial attack.

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Tyrrelstown...that bastion of racial hatred and infernal race wars..

Neither of the accussed are from the area.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:09pm

rubensni wrote: »

Apparently there's tension there:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0409/1224267967713.html

Yeah, most of it a work of the pen of Brid Ni Chonaill, it seems. I wonder if she is related to Aine Ni Chonaill.

The attempt to create some sort of Missisipi Burning complex is awkward and brutish.

22%.....a fraction of whom are nigerian....and why are they referring to the young man as Nigerian...he was 11 years in Ireland......

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:10pm

Neither of the accussed are from the area.

Bingo.

But the Press and the Trots want you to believe it was an internecine affair out in the concrete jungle that is Blanch.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

peabutler · 09-04-2010 1:11pm

I don't think the Rally is about Blanchardstown...

Kold · 09-04-2010 1:12pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Oh right.

And how do they now hope the two lads who allegedly killed him will now have a fair trial, given that they are basically announcing, of their own accord, that his killing was racially motivated?

Rallys don't count as evidence. Trials are carried out on the merit of the evidence produced.

Kold · 09-04-2010 1:13pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Yeah, most of it a work of the pen of Brid Ni Chonaill, it seems. I wonder if she is related to Aine Ni Chonaill.

The attempt to create some sort of Missisipi Burning complex is awkward and brutish.

22%.....a fraction of whom are nigerian....and why are they referring to the young man as Nigerian...he was 11 years in Ireland......

You don't magically turn Irish after 11 years of being in the country. I should know.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:13pm

Kold wrote: »

Rallys don't count as evidence. Trials are carried out on the merit of the evidence produced.

And the prospective jury wont have been influenced by a Rally which tried to paint a picture of unbridled racial tension in Tyrrelstown??

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:14pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Bingo.

But the Press and the Trots want you to believe it was an internecine affair out in the concrete jungle that is Blanch...

News to me. The only person who seems to be pedalling an agenda here is you.

You didn't remark on the accussed previous. Why?

Lux23 · 09-04-2010 1:14pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Sure that could be anyone and everyone.

Just admit it...when a black person dies, it's racial.

Most people are murdered by someone in their own racial group; thats a grossly ignorant thing to say. I wasn't planning to go to this march but with viewpoints like yours around I think I will now.

prinz · 09-04-2010 1:14pm

RMD wrote: »

My guess is any form of group within Irish culture who could possibly be discriminated against were invited to this rally to show the Dail their opinion, damn right as well.

I assume the far right national skin head party of Ireland got an invite so did they? Or an organisation representing the Catholic faithful of Ireland?

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:14pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

And the prospective jury wont have been influenced by a Rally which tried to paint a picture of unbridled racial tension in Tyrrelstown??

Who said it was going to do that?

Kiera · 09-04-2010 1:14pm

peabutler wrote: »

I don't think the Rally is about Blanchardstown...

What's it about? I've probably missed the link to it

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:15pm

Kold wrote: »

You don't magically turn Irish after 11 years of being in the country. I should know.

No but you get your papers. If they want to promote integration, and not their little racialist ideals, they would do well to refer to the victim as IRISH. Of course, "IRISH MAN STABBED" doesnt read as well as "NIGERIAN SCHOOLBOY STABBED"....

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:15pm

Nodin wrote: »

Who said it was going to do that?

Come on. Rallies and demonstrations are designed to have that effect. They are designed to influence the public psyche. If not...then why have the rally.??

peabutler · 09-04-2010 1:17pm

To flag up the problem of Racism in this country, a problem which exsists.

livingtargets · 09-04-2010 1:17pm

I`m going to the rally.

Why?
Because a fifteen year-old boy was stabbed through the heart by two grown men in what appears to be a racist attack(if that`s proven wrong,I`ll take it back.But everything I`ve heard about the attack would lead to believe it was a racist attack)and I want to show my opposition to the murder itself,the culture of racism in Ireland,and the racist scum bags who are celebrating this death(just throw your eye on Stormfront Ireland if you don`t believe me).

Another reason is that I`m a Republican,and on Easter Monday when I heard the words,
"The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."
I happened to take them to heart.

So I`ll be there,in my League of Ireland colours to remember a young Shelbourne FC man who was taken before his time,and I urge others to do likewise.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:17pm

prinz wrote: »

I assume the far right national skin head party of Ireland got an invite so did they?

He said 'discriminated group'. Thats rather different from knuckling dragging racist scum.

prinz wrote: »

Or an organisation representing the Catholic faithful of Ireland?

O yes, catholics are being beaten around the streets as I type.....

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:19pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Come on. Rallies and demonstrations are designed to have that effect. They are designed to influence the public psyche. If not...then why have the rally.??

You stated

a Rally which tried to paint a picture of unbridled racial tension in Tyrrelstown??

Why would they try to do that, when the two aren't from there?

Where is that the stated aim of the march?

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:19pm

peabutler wrote: »

To flag up the problem of Racism in this country, a problem which exsists.

Oh really? Then why not have it when your man had his willy chopped off and thrown in the canal?

ibarelycare · 09-04-2010 1:19pm

biko wrote: »

Anyone a link to this story?

Joe Higgins MEP is helping organise it. Link

Very bad idea IMO. Tensions are running very high around the area and the whole situation is very volatile. The boy was only killed two weeks ago.

Kold · 09-04-2010 1:19pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

No but you get your papers. If they want to promote integration, and not their little racialist ideals, they would do well to refer to the victim as IRISH. Of course, "IRISH MAN STABBED" doesnt read as well as "NIGERIAN SCHOOLBOY STABBED"....

I've been here about 11 years, I have 2 passports. If I was stabbed and the papers said "Irish man stabbed" that would be wrong. I'm not Irish.

prinz · 09-04-2010 1:20pm

Nodin wrote: »

O yes, catholics are being beaten around the streets as I type.....

Wouldn't take too long to find sentiments such as 'anyone who still goes to mass if responsible for rape and paedophilia' stated on this very forum. Correct me if I am wrong but if such blanket statements were applied to others it would be discrimination, and you yourself have just come from bemoaning the attention given to Muslims when a newstory from Yemen emerged... yet someone says all Catholics are responsible for paedophilia you are curiously quiet.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:21pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Oh really? Then why not have it when your man had his willy chopped off and thrown in the canal?

Was he attacked by people with a racist motive?

Morlar · 09-04-2010 1:21pm

What gets me about this is that if the victim were white society would not give 2 ****s. At the same time as the victim was black and the perpetrators were WHITE this is why it's an issue. Take a look at this story - all but Buried by the national media and social commentators. 6 nigerian teenagers questioned after a gang rape in kildare - how many people reading this were even aware this happened ?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-quiz-six-teenage-boys-over-alleged-rape-2129337.html

Thursday April 08 2010

SIX teenage boys have been interviewed by gardai following the alleged gang rape of a 14-year-old girl.

The girl, a foreign national, is alleged to have been raped by six youths in a house and in a field.

Gardai have interviewed a number of African youths of different nationalities about the incident.

The youths were interviewed under caution, but were not arrested following an incident in a Co Kildare town last month.

A file is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

A garda spokeswoman confirmed that an investigation was under way into an allegation of sexual assault late last month.

Caution

It is understood that the youths had gone as a group to another teenage girl's house.

It is there that the alleged attack occurred, and it is also alleged that the girl was later attacked by the youths in a field.

Sources have said that a number of the young men in the group are accused of raping the girl as others looked on.

The girl's parents later contacted the gardai after being told about the alleged rape.

A major investigation was launched and six teenage boys, who are understood to be aged between 15 and 17, were interviewed by gardai under caution.

The young girl has received counselling and medical treatment following the incident.

"We can confirm a report of an alleged sexual assault in Co Kildare last month which is being investigated," a garda spokeswoman said.

- Tom Brady and Jason O'Brien

Irish Independent

If that above story was black victim white perpetrators it would be page 1 headline each day this week for every paper.

Fuhrer · 09-04-2010 1:21pm

Nodin wrote: »

O yes, catholics are being beaten around the streets as I type.....

NI?

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:22pm

Nodin wrote: »

Was he attacked by people with a racist motive?

Why? Was the young man in Tyrrelstown attacked by people with a racist motive?

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:22pm

prinz wrote: »

Wouldn't take too long to find sentiments such as 'anyone who still goes to mass if responsible for rape and paedophilia' stated on this very forum. Correct me if I am wrong but if such blanket statements were applied to others it would be discrimination?

It would be a stupid generalisation. You've some nerve to compare that to actual discrimination.

ibarelycare · 09-04-2010 1:23pm

Morlar wrote: »

What gets me about this is that if the victim were white society would not give 2 ****s. At the same time as the victim was black and the perpetrators were WHITE this is why it's an issue. Take a look at this story - all but Buried by the national media and social commentators. 6 nigerian teenagers questioned after a gang rape in kildare - how many people reading this were even aware this happened ?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-quiz-six-teenage-boys-over-alleged-rape-2129337.html

Thursday April 08 2010

SIX teenage boys have been interviewed by gardai following the alleged gang rape of a 14-year-old girl.

The girl, a foreign national, is alleged to have been raped by six youths in a house and in a field.

Gardai have interviewed a number of African youths of different nationalities about the incident.

The youths were interviewed under caution, but were not arrested following an incident in a Co Kildare town last month.

A file is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

A garda spokeswoman confirmed that an investigation was under way into an allegation of sexual assault late last month.

Caution

It is understood that the youths had gone as a group to another teenage girl's house.

It is there that the alleged attack occurred, and it is also alleged that the girl was later attacked by the youths in a field.

Sources have said that a number of the young men in the group are accused of raping the girl as others looked on.

The girl's parents later contacted the gardai after being told about the alleged rape.

A major investigation was launched and six teenage boys, who are understood to be aged between 15 and 17, were interviewed by gardai under caution.

The young girl has received counselling and medical treatment following the incident.

"We can confirm a report of an alleged sexual assault in Co Kildare last month which is being investigated," a garda spokeswoman said.

- Tom Brady and Jason O'Brien

Irish Independent

If that above story was black victim white perpetrators it would be page 1 headline each day this week for every paper.

Where does it say that they're Nigerian? Or where does it even say that they're black? African =/= black.

Nodin · 09-04-2010 1:24pm

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Why? Was the young man in Tyrrelstown attacked by people with a racist motive?

As I pointed out earlier, one of the accused has a previous conviction for a racist attack.

I Drink It Up! · 09-04-2010 1:25pm

Nodin wrote: »

As I pointed out earlier, one of the accused has a previous conviction for a racist attack.

Oh, and is now physiologically and psychologically incapable of committing other types of attacks?

What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

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