Yemen Child Brides

OutlawPete

Think we can safely add Yemen to the list of ****ed up countries.

Just reading these two stories, this one's from last week:

Child Bride Escapes After Months In Chains

The young girl had had enough. For months the Yemeni teenager named Hind from the Red Sea town of Hodeida had allegedly been repeatedly beaten and sexually abused by her 70-something husband to whom she was married off by her father and three uncles for the equivalent of $1,400 last year, according to the Yemeni English newspaper the Yemen Times.

She tried to run away from her forced marriage and abuser several times but was caught fleeing by one of the uncles who had arranged her marriage.

Angered that she had tried to run away from the deal he had brokered, the uncle felt Hind, thought to be 13 or 14 years old, needed to be punished for her deed.

So he put a long, heavy iron chain around her neck and tied her to his house like a dog for two months. The uncle apparently made the chain long enough so that Hind could move from the yard to the kitchen and the bathroom.

During this hellish time, Hind was also allegedly beaten by her uncle and sexually abused several times by her cousins.

She finally managed to escape two weeks ago, and details of her tragic story have begun to emerge.

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Now this week we have:

A 13-year-old Yemeni girl has died of internal bleeding three days after being married, rights groups say.

The report comes amid ongoing debate on setting a minimum age for brides in Yemen, where more than a quarter of girls are married before the age of 15.

A 2009 law setting the minimum age at 17 was repealed after some lawmakers said it was un-Islamic. A final decision is due this month.
There was no official confirmation of the death by Yemeni officials.

The girl, said to have been married to a man in his 20s, died in the west of the country last week, the Arab Sisters Forum (Saf) rights group said.

A medical report by the hospital where she was treated said she had suffered a tear to her genitals and severe bleeding after intercourse, the group said.

In a statement obtained by the Reuters news agency, Unicef's regional director, Sigrid Kaag, said the UN child agency was "dismayed by the death of yet another child bride in Yemen".

Human rights groups have been pressurising the authorities to outlaw family-arranged child marriages in Yemen, which has a tribal social structure.

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Duggy747

Shìt like this is far too common over there.

Read another story of a teenager who was forced into a marriage, she tried to run away but the prick tortured her and cut off her ears and nose.

There's a horrible picture of her floating around the web but I ain't gonna link that shìt here!

General Zod

humanity is disgusting.

ItsAWindUp

Jesus that's brutal.

Hank_Jones

That's just seriously fcuked up.

Child brides not being allowed to marry is Un-Islamic?

That's messed up, when I was 13 I was playing football and chasing girls.
Strange world we live in.

miss5

That is awful.

Duggy747

And WE'RE the infidels infecting the world...

General Zod

Duggy747 wrote: »

And WE'RE the infidels infecting the world...

Yes, we'd never do anything as brutal as that.

Industrial schools.

Pyridine

This is where castration comes in REAL handy!!

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I just cannot wrap my head around those kind of things. Frightening that there are such twisted b@stards out there

PirateShampoo

Sounds like the Catholic Church has found its way to Yemen.

r3nu4l

Ah now! Sure it's their culture! You're all obviously too close-minded and ignorant to understand... :pac:

IvyTheTerrible

How on earth can that be allowed?? Those poor girls.

prinz

r3nu4l wrote: »

Ah now! Sure it's their culture! You're all obviously too close-minded and ignorant to understand... :pac:

Indeed, they should be allowed to do it here. It's so much more progressive. We're just all afraid of change and something new.

biko

Please don't bring religion into this unless you can state where in the Koran/... it's condoned. Child marriages is a poverty issue rather than cultural and quite common in a lot of poor countries..

Child Marriage Fact Sheet
Most countries have declared 18 as the minimum legal age of marriage. Despite the sanctions on child marriage, however, more than 100 million girls are expected to marry in the next decade.
While the practice has decreased globally over the last 30 years, it remains common in rural areas and among the poorest of the poor. Impoverished parents often believe that child marriage will protect their daughters. In fact, however, it results in lost development opportunities, limited life options and poor health.

Child marriage is a health issue as well as a human rights violation. Because it takes place almost exclusively within the context of poverty and gender inequality, it also has social, cultural and economic dimensions. ***

Looking back at Ireland in 15th and 16th century some fathers stipulated in their will their daughters shouldn't be married before the age of 15. A lot of these countries can be compared to Ireland during those days, that's how poor they are. Yemen I think is one of the absolute poorest countries in the world.

Abi

Makes me want to puke. Sick bastards.

Morlar

It's just another in a long list of ****ed up islamic countries.

Le King

Sick, sick, sick.

syklops

Some primeval instinct in me wants to get a Glock 17 9mm, some clips, and the address of those 'uncles'.

Sometimes i have to wonder if it would have been better if the Dinosaurs had never died out and we had never evolved.

Caoimhín

Yemen? Isnt that where Snyper goes on holidays?

Caoimhín

biko wrote: »

Please don't bring religion into this unless you can state where in the Koran/... it's condoned. .

Mohammed married his 6 year old niece.

the hadiths - which record quite clearly that Mohammed was betrothed to Aisha when she was six years old, and the marriage consummated when she was just nine and he was in his early 50s (Sahih Bukhari Vol 5, Bk 58, No 234; Sahih Muslim Bk 008, No 3310, 3311)

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65: Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Is that enough? I can keep going if you like?

Wibbs

What Caoimhín wrote. Its part of the life of the prophet, part of the religion as people seek to emulate him and thus Islamic. Moderate thinkers have attempted to place it in the context of the time but it still goes on. Others have claimed that er actual age was 17 or something as its a tad embarrassing, but the 9 number is oft repeated in the texts.

wes

Yeah, its certainly a terrible thing, and hopefully they change the law asap. It is applying how these poor girls are being treated.

Just a quick note, the lowest age of consent here in Europe is actually 13 in Spain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Spain

prinz

Wibbs wrote: »

What Caoimhín wrote. Its part of the life of the prophet, part of the religion as people seek to emulate him and thus Islamic..

I have often been described as some sort of anti-Islamic crusader by a number of posters on boards.ie but in this case it isn't fair to call it an Islamic practice. It occured across many cultures and religions. It was occuring in Christendom up to a couple of hundred years ago. Some cultures haven't kept speed with the rest of us when it comes to recognising human dignity, while this happens more often than not in cultures which have adopted Islam as major religion, other Islamic countries have laws against this sort of thing.

In Christianity Mary herself was only supposed to have been barely a teenager.

prinz

wes wrote: »

Just a quick note, the lowest age of consent here in Europe is actually 13 in Spain:

Which is irrelevant. It's not only about the age of the girl, it's about how she was treated.

syklops

wes wrote: »

Just a quick note, the lowest age of consent here in Europe is actually 13 in Spain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Spain

The key word in your sentence is consent. When I was 13 I wanted to have sex. I am sure there are people here of the opposite sex who might say the same. If two teens decide they want to do it then in my opinion thats fine. A 13 year old being sold into a marriage with a 70 year old man is completely different. There is no consent given by the girl.

Crann na Beatha

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Wibbs

prinz wrote: »

I have often been described as some sort of anti-Islamic crusader by a number of posters on boards.ie but in this case it isn't fair to call it an Islamic practice. It occured across many cultures and religions. It was occuring in Christendom up to a couple of hundred years ago. Some cultures haven't kept speed with the rest of us when it comes to recognising human dignity, while this happens more often than not in cultures which have adopted Islam as major religion, other Islamic countries have laws against this sort of thing.

In Christianity Mary herself was only supposed to have been barely a teenager.

I agree completely. It did happen in loads of places including here. The difference people miss(mostly because they are used to christianity that had evolution and reformation) is Islam is not a religion very open to adaptation. Its more pickled in the time whence it came.

Certainly its not adaptable when it comes to the morality or practices and lifestyle of the prophet. He is (naturally) considered along with other prophets the highest person morally in the faith. So anything he practiced is considered equally moral or a duty. Now the majority of Muslims defo in more enlightened richer societies would frown on a 9 year old being married to a 50+ year old today, but would be a tad uncomfortable with dealing with the fact Mohammad did.

ejmaztec

Wherever there are toothless yokel societies, there are child brides.

wes

prinz wrote: »

Which is irrelevant. It's not only about the age of the girl, it's about how she was treated.

Yeah, your right it is irrelevant, but some people were discussing age here, so I taught I would provide some context.

prinz

Iolar wrote: »

I dont think its as much as an islamic custom per say,is it not more custom of Arabs/Bedouins?

Yes.

Wibbs wrote: »

I agree completely. It did happen in loads of places including here. The difference people miss(mostly because they are used to christianity that had evolution and reformation) is Islam is not a religion very open to adaptation. Its more pickled in the time whence it came..

I agree and disgree. Islam today seems to be stuck in the past, but it wasn't always so. IMO it's because this backwardness is being tolerated and actively encouraged in the name of being 'modern' and 'open minded' etc by too many of us. There's no incentive to change with the times.

Nodin

Iolar wrote: »

I dont think its as much as an islamic custom per say,is it not more custom of Arabs/Bedouins?

Its also a custom in parts of India with some Hindus and in parts of Ethiopia/Africa with many christians/animists. However, its convenient for some to just tag it as a "muslim" thing.

Nodin

ejmaztec wrote: »

Wherever there are toothless yokel societies, there are child brides.

True words, Sir.

syklops

Wibbs wrote: »

I agree completely. It did happen in loads of places including here. The difference people miss(mostly because they are used to christianity that had evolution and reformation) is Islam is not a religion very open to adaptation. Its more pickled in the time whence it came.

Certainly its not adaptable when it comes to the morality or practices and lifestyle of the prophet. He is (naturally) considered along with other prophets the highest person morally in the faith. So anything he practiced is considered equally moral or a duty. Now the majority of Muslims defo in more enlightened richer societies would frown on a 9 year old being married to a 50+ year old today, but would be a tad uncomfortable with dealing with the fact Mohammad did.

Pickled in time. I could not put it better myself. For years I always assumed Islam was a much older religion than Christianity. I recently found out that it was established 600 years after the birth of Christ. 600 years! Why then does it seem so old and out of date? Well you have just summed it up.

gbee

General Zod wrote: »

Yes, we'd never do anything as brutal as that. Industrial schools.

Can't let you away with that one. In Yemen it's LEGAL.

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

However, its convenient for some to just tag it as a "muslim" thing.

Not 'convenient'. If the story in the OP was in India with Hindus, or Africa with animists people would be justified in questioning what belief system people were using to rationalise their actions, it wasn't anywhere else, it was Yemen.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

Not 'convenient'. If the story in the OP was in India with Hindus, or Africa with animists people would be justified in questioning what belief system people were using to rationalise their actions, it wasn't anywhere else, it was Yemen.

Do people use child brides as an excuse to bash the Muslims? Yes. Do they ignore the others who do the same? Why yes they do. Hence, as I said "However, its convenient for some to just tag it as a "Muslim" thing.".

Try reading what's there as opposed to what you want to see.

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

Do people use child brides as an excuse to bash the Muslims? Yes. Do they ignore the others who do the same? Why yes they do.

Are you actually making a comment pertaining to the thread and the OP or just a general false statement?

cafecolour

It'd also be a 'custom' - though illegal - in some offshoot mormon polyamorous cults in the US.

The founder of the mormon church - Joseph Smith - was polyamorous and had brides as young as 14. The mainline church has long ago forbid polyamory - it was a condition of Utah becoming part of the US. But there are different offshoots that remain.

Essentially older men will basically swap their younger daughters with their friends - ie she'll marry you and yours can marry me. A lot of the younger men are driven out because there isn't enough women for them.

Now they are totally illegal, and have been for decades, but they remain in small enclaves.

gbee

syklops wrote: »

I recently found out that it was established 600 years after the birth of Christ. 600 years! Why then does it seem so old and out of date? Well you have just summed it up.

OK, on one hand it is older. This is the scene. Christ arrived on Earth and started spreading the word. This outraged the establishment and a Roman governor was tricked into executing him. However, the lad had a great following and as the Roman Empire split and was being invaded by rabble the Roman senate did a huge con trick and started the Roman Catholic Church.

This hovered up a lot of believers, including a whole bunch of Jewish who wished to believe and this prospered for some 300 years. Unfortunately we all know what the intentions of the Catholic Church was from the very beginning, it had nothing to do with God/Christ but more of domination and slavery without the use of a standing army.

Islam came about as they realised exactly what the Roman Catholic Church was in fact doing, and with it’s massive wealth to boot. A huge ground well erupted into Islam, loosely based on the principal what if the Roman Catholic Church was the way forward, then a backward step was really necessary ~ now we could agree with this today.

So in essence the Islamic community were there and were intrigued by Christ and joined the RCC in 300AD [approx] and decided a return to older traditions and VALUES were essential and around 600AD Islam formed.

prinz

gbee wrote: »

Islam came about as they realised exactly what the Roman Catholic Church was in fact doing, and with it’s massive wealth to boot. A huge ground well erupted into Islam, loosely based on the principal what if the Roman Catholic Church was the way forward, then a backward step was really necessary ~ now we could agree with this today.
So in essence the Islamic community were there and were intrigued by Christ and joined the RCC in 300AD [approx] and decided a return to older traditions and VALUES were essential and around 600AD Islam formed.

What a load of total nonsense.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

Are you actually making a comment pertaining to the thread and the OP or just a general false statement?

You know what I'm getting at. Stop being obtuse.

biko

Thanks Caoimhín and Wibbs, I didn't know it was even mentioned in the Koran.

gbee

cafecolour wrote: »

The founder of the mormon church - Joseph Smith - was polyamorous and had brides as young as 14. .

Indeed this is why they fled the eastern coast for the west. Until sometime in the 1900's did the law in the west change from allowing 12 years-olds to marry. It was 'frontier law' and whilst not acted upon was still legal until the 1960s ~ but I'd have to look that up.

wes

biko wrote: »

Thanks Caoimhín and Wibbs, I didn't know it was even mentioned in the Koran.

Those quote were from Hadiths, and not the Koran btw.

we'llallhavetea_old

Nodin wrote: »

Do people use child brides as an excuse to bash the Muslims? Yes. Do they ignore the others who do the same? Why yes they do. Hence, as I said "However, its convenient for some to just tag it as a "Muslim" thing.".

Try reading what's there as opposed to what you want to see.

i have no idea what religions do what, but if the op posted a story about a child bride being tortured/killed during sex, i would be disgusted regardless of what religion the perpetrators were.
do you mean that "people" would ignore it if another religion do it?
i'm confused by the highlighted statement.

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

You know what I'm getting at. Stop being obtuse.

"Son, you're forgetting yourself", as the warden said to Andy.

Nodin

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

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do you mean that "people" would ignore it if another religion do it?
i'm confused by the highlighted statement.

Absolutely. Whens the last time you saw a thread about the treatment and conditions of Women in Latin America? 99 times out 100 when there's a thread on the treatment of women and children, its targeted at muslims or an islamic country, yet there's no way in hell its only societies where Islam is predominant that maltreatment and brutal customs occur in.

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

Absolutely. Whens the last time you saw a thread about ......

News item of the day tends to get a thread...

Edit: Interestingly enought there's a thread on the front page about the case of Holly Grieg. So go figure that one out.

we'llallhavetea_old

Nodin wrote: »

Absolutely. Whens the last time you saw a thread about the treatment and conditions of Women in Latin America? 99 times out 100 when there's a thread on the treatment of women and children, its targeted at muslims or an islamic country, yet there's no way in hell its only societies where Islam is predominant that maltreatment and brutal customs occur in.

ah ok...

people are gonna post whats in the news, i suppose the stories of latin america doesn't make the cut over here. i don't know whose fault this is.

Nodin

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

ah ok...

people are gonna post whats in the news, i suppose the stories of latin america doesn't make the cut over here. i don't know whose fault this is.

They do occassionally. Doesn't have that Muslim "x factor" though...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4074880.stm

Liliana Rojero Luevano, executive secretary of Mexico's National Women's Institute, said a national opinion poll carried out in 2006 on the dynamics of domestic relations showed that 70 per cent of Mexican women surveyed had suffered domestic violence.
The number of young women who claim to have suffered violence at the hands of their boyfriends is also striking, observers said. The figure rises to 55.8 per cent in teenagers asked recently, Rojero Luevano said at the event led by Calderon.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/americas/news/article_1376572.php/In_Mexico_80_per_cent_of_murdered_women_killed_by_family_members