Sorry but it has to be stated yet again...

Biggins

I know others are tired of the Fianna Fail bashing - as of late I've tended to give it a rest myself.
I'm sorry to say but it has to be stated, they really are taking the piss.
The whole whole country is taking cuts left right and centre, be it public or private we are all paying increased taxes, less benefits, new levy's, etc...
Hospital cuts, public transport cuts, school cuts, medical card cuts, essential services such as Gardi and fire services cuts and on and on and on...

...All that is except for the elite!

Wednesday April 07 2010
TOP civil servants earning up to €146,000 a year told Finance Minister Brian Lenihan that their work was so important they deserved a pay rise.
Mr Lenihan subsequently decided to give these 150 key personnel -- along with 450 other senior state employees -- an exemption from the full brunt of the public-service pay cuts.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elite-civil-servants-we-deserve-a-pay-rise-2127572.html

Now I can understand that some in areas have to have wages comparable to the private sector - but to give an elite virtual carte-blanch to avoid completely what the rest of the nation is coughing-up is just taking the piss - and FF are allowing this to happen again on their watch.

Its one rule for them - and another rule for the rest of the country.

* For the record: I have a sister that is also a civil servant.
Between one cut and another, not including PRSI increased rates, her wages are down 400-500 a month alone.
From low level to middle level across the board, be it public or private areas, all are making some contribution to getting this country back on its feet - all again except those elite awarded "special privlages" by a disgusting political party!

Fianna Fail = scum
Greens = an absolute disgusting disgrace for propping them up still.
The Independents = another disgusting disgrace for voting to still keep the above two in power!

Want more reason to get angry at the elected elite alone?
Last year alone just for a few cars...

THE cost of providing chauffeur-driven cars to four ex-taoiseach came to a massive €684,247 last year, new figures reveal.
And former taoiseach Bertie Ahern ran up the biggest bill in his 2006 Mercedes S350 at €175,635.
But he was closely followed by Albert Reynolds, whose overall costs came to a total of €173,843.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/berties-chauffeurdriven-merc-clocks-up-8364175600-travel-bill-2126292.html

One rule/existence for us - another rule/existence for them...

George Orwell had it right.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

kodute

Not really that shocking tbh...
'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!

Nulty

kodute wrote: »

Not really that shocking tbh...
'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!

I heard WikiLeaks are releasing a video this week....

o1s1n

kodute wrote: »

Not really that shocking tbh...
'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!

Not enough meat on them tbh.

'mary Harney Kills and eats baby elephants' would be more accurate.

Biggins

As office staff log on this morning, be it public or private sector, turn on boards.ie and/or read the news - remember...
When the next election comes around, ye know who is responsible for the huge drop in your wages, what they are doing about it and how your being screwed and getting no pleasure out of it - just constant pain.

The next time you vote - vote better!

Jumpy

My favorite boat is the QE2!

Keano

Biggins wrote: »

As office staff log on this morning, be it public or private sector, turn on boards.ie and/or read the news - remember...
When the next election comes around, ye know who is responsible for the huge drop in your wages, what they are doing about it and how your being screwed and getting no pleasure out of it - just constant pain.

The next time you vote - vote better!

+1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.

Snowie

nothings going to change untill this country gets so pissed of we go mad at them but its not going to happen because the irish for most of our existance, let our governemnt **** us all up the ass when ever they feel like and what do we do but forgive them. its embarissing enought to have a government who are the laughing stock of the world tbh i think the people of this country are the laughing stock of the world we still do nothing....

but grin and bare it.

Biggins

Keano A Legend wrote: »

+1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.

I agree.
All we can hope for a start, is that the favouritism and awarding off special privileges to an elite comes to an end.
Any start (in future) like that would be progression from a now opposition.

Snowie

i just wanan make one more point....

Look what happend when the frenach guy who hand balled the ball into the net for the world cup how many people got those stupid ****ing face book requests ? on why we should all protest against the french... yet when it comes to our own governement ****in us up the ass we lie back...

kodute

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

i just wanan make one more point....

Look what happend when the frenach guy who hand balled the ball into the net for the world cup how many people got those stupid ****ing face book requests ? on why we should all protest against the french... yet when it comes to our own governement ****in us up the ass we lie back...

Thats because FB is shít and full of losers with nothing better to do.

The real thinkers use boards!

Mr Freeze

Keano A Legend wrote: »

+1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.

+ 1 with Biggins too.

And I agree with Keano too, there won't be instant cash back if there is a FG/LAB government, but these FF shower have been there too long and only care about lining their own pockets.

There might be F all difference between FF and FG policies when you think about, but I think FF are rotten to the core, and need to go, FG mightn't be as bad.

The last thing I'd expect to see is an instant turn around in the economy if an alternative government was in power, the damage is done, but it sickens me to think of FF in opposition criticizing FG for the mess we are in, and their plans for recovery, when it was FF that created it.

Snowie

kodute wrote: »

Thats because FB is shít and full of losers with nothing better to do.

The real thinkers use boards!

well thast true but even the lossers who are what 763,5587 ppeople where happy to join and give that old important I like this click :rolleyes:

If that many people clicked a question weather fianna foil should be kicked out of governement it would be 5 times that amount yet... :rolleyes:

Optimalprimerib

So we kick out fianna fail, fianna gael come in, do no better, kick them out, get someone else, same thing happens.

A pattern will begin to emerge and the government parties will realise that if they are to be successful they cannot carry on the way they are and provide positive results.

The chances of this happening are zero though. Fg get in, do sh1t. Ah sure maybe ff weren t that bad.

Joey the lips

Biggins I am with you and I understand you but honestly.... Do you really think fine gael and labour have the ability let alone the political clout to deal with this...

I cannot stand fianna fail. However I cannot stand michael o leary and i will fly with him because he is going where I want to go at the price i like.

Finna fail are the only party that is taking me where I want to go... Granted its costing a fair bit...

_Kaiser_

Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here

(Warning: Unpopular semi-rant.. ok its a full rant... ahead..)

In my opinion, the biggest problem in this country (and I say this as an Irish man), is that we as a people are too immature to run a country...

Think about it.. the State is about what? 90 years old? We're not mature enough as a country to make the tough decisions properly.

Instead what we get is a state appartus (be it eircom, ESB, Bord Gas, the banks, the health service - ANYTHING really that is/was run by the Irish) that's run on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to business - "oh we made a mistake with your account.. well sure it'll take a few days to fix that but sure you can manage in the meantime right?" :rolleyes:

Couple that with a government made up of people who's primary interest is getting into power, staying in, and lining their pockets and those of their mates as much as and for as long as they can! Naturally, they then think that the public are there to serve them, not the other way around and the concept of "the greater good" doesn't figure once, and the game is to pass the buck as much as you can and never, EVER take any responsibility for your decisions!

People complain about FF and the people who voted them in, but honestly what real alternatives are there? FG?? Sinn Fein?? The FF backbenchers who anonymously whinged in the papers about Cowen and the cabinet, and rumbled about a possible leadership challenge all stayed suspiciously quiet at the latest party meeting today.

Then you have a general public who are great at whinging at each other in the pubs and on message boards like this, but who then close their mouths like good sheep and accept the latest ridiculous scandal/announcement from the aforementioned "government" without comment.
I saw a letter in one of the papers recently and the author made a very good point - about the only thing that would get the people in this country fired up is if they were to close all the pubs and ban alcohol! :rolleyes:

The problem is that as a nation, we are too interested in looking after our own personal interests, our family, our mates, our little patch of land, showing off to our neighbours ("look at my shiny new 10-reg car (that I'm up to my neck in debt for)"), and getting one over on "the man" (be it social welfare fraud, or trying to get out of a speeding fine), that we really can't be trusted to run a country where the decisions (especially in a common market/global economy) are more serious and far-reaching than the parochial politics we engage in.

We have collectively squandered the biggest economic boom this country has ever seen (or is likely to ever see again). OK we have a few new motorways and bypasses but our "well educated workforce" is now largely a myth (while we waste time with Irish and the teachings of the Catholic Church, children at primary level on the continent can already speak 2/3 languages!), our healthcare system is on par with a third world country, and our infrastructure (secondary roads, broadband etc) is years behind even former Soviet Bloc states. What do we really have to offer potential investors?

Now thanks to all of this our government has effectively stagnated the country for the next 20/30 years. Anglo should have been left to fall, but instead we, our children, and probably our grandchildren will be left to pick up the bill from all of this!
Worse again, not one of the people at government/executive level responsible for selling out our country's future will see the inside of a jail cell!

It's a proud day to be Irish alright....

(Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up if we're not prepared to put up as they say.

Nulty

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

So we kick out fianna fail, fianna gael come in, do no better, kick them out, get someone else, same thing happens.

A pattern will begin to emerge and the government parties will realise that if they are to be successful they cannot carry on the way they are and provide positive results.

The chances of this happening are zero though. Fg get in, do sh1t. Ah sure maybe ff weren t that bad.

Has it ever been any different...do you expect it to get any better? The only way to control them is to vote fresh party into government every time. Never let them settle. None of their initial ideas are that bad, it's only when they're left long enough can they do damage.

Biggins

Where is YOUR money going?
No further comment needed.





...and they will be getting a lot more!

Joey the lips wrote: »

Biggins I am with you and I understand you but honestly.... Do you really think fine gael and labour have the ability let alone the political clout to deal with this...
I cannot stand fianna fail. However I cannot stand michael o leary and i will fly with him because he is going where I want to go at the price i like.
Fianna fail are the only party that is taking me where I want to go... Granted its costing a fair bit...

If they were taking us were we all want to go, that would be good - but they are apparently doing so it appears while financially raping us behind our backs!

Now I was brought up to believe that crooks, bullies, liars and those that treat others unequally, when found out - are not rewarded - but punished.
What are we saying by allowing this bunch of absolute elitist crooks to continue on in power.

I agree, the opposition might not be much better - but we won't know till we give them a chance at least.
What more have we got to lose!

Mr Freeze

Biggins wrote: »

Where is YOUR money going?
No further comment needed.

Stunned...

Snowie

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here



(Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up and put up as they say.

which is effectivly waht the nation is doing. Because there all bone idol lazy ****ers who are happy to see the how much per person will be spent.. recovering from anglo irishs fcuk ups ?


I fckinging hate thes farse filled wa*kstains who run the countrey not saying enda kenny can do any better either or labour or the greens...

what ireland needs is vision unforuntatly there are only a few who have it...

ballsymchugh

Biggins wrote: »

bloody hell, that electricity is expensive. should done the big switch.

problemchimp

Keano A Legend wrote: »

+1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.

yes but are you prepared to give it a go? We can't just assume the others are no better or we'll just be stuck with these fukcers forever.

Nulty

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here



(Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up and put up as they say.

They say "put up or shut up"

Nulty

Is it true that Anglo Irish Bank have assets abroad worth upwards of €55 billion?

Someone I know was talking to a guy who works/ed in Anglo in Boston that said that. How does that work out?

_Kaiser_

problemchimp wrote: »

yes but are you prepared to give it a go? We can't just assume the others are no better or we'll just be stuck with these fukcers forever.

You have a point but the problem with our politicial system is the way voting works. No matter what they do, a big percentage of the population will ALWAYS vote FF (because it's what their parents voted, or it's who they always vote for). Similarly another big percentage will vote FG.

That leaves say maybe 20% of the electorate. Some of these will vote on conscience (eg: the Greens), others will vote for their local rep who's done good in their community (Independents). Still more will vote randomly, or not at all! (If you fall into this latter catagory, you have no right to complain later IMO).

The result is that you're always going to end up with one of the "big two" in a coalition with one of the smaller parties. While I'm no fan of the Greens anyway, you can see that for the most part they are ineffectual in government and the few policies they have gotten implemented are just thinly-veiled revenue generators rather than actual progress on their agenda.

All that said, someone else suggested rotating the government every term and that's probably the best we could hope for in the current system, but bear in mind that while the faces may change, the real decision-makers (the civil service) is there for life and THAT needs to be addressed too!

_Kaiser_

Nulty wrote: »

They say "put up or shut up"

d'oh.. typo.. edited!

Biggins

Nulty wrote: »

Is it true that Anglo Irish Bank have assets abroad worth upwards of €55 billion?
Someone I know was talking to a guy who works/ed in Anglo in Boston that said that. How does that work out?

Just on that...

[IMG][/img]http://i43.tinypic.com/25psklc.jpg

Now remember that total figure of a further 43 Billion at the bottom when your paying your taxes, old levy's, new levy's, higher PRSI, pension payments, - and the elite get off and Bertie and his like, still gets their cars, expenses, HUGE wages, perks, etc.

Nulty

Regarding the OP and the workers who consider their work "too important" to get pay cuts...WTF?

Is their job not to act responsibly and help the country cuts its spending to make the economy more stable?

Unless you tell me you can in no way afford to take a pay cut then any other excuse deserves a kick in the nads!

Nulty

Biggins wrote: »

Just on that...

[IMG][/img]http://i43.tinypic.com/25psklc.jpg

Now remember that total figure of a further 43 Billion at the bottom when your paying your taxes, old levy's, new levy's, higher PRSI, pension payments, - and the elite get off and Bertie and his like, still gets their cars, expenses, HUGE wages, perks, etc.

Yeah but my point is that the ****ing bank has assets over seas worth upwards of €55 billion!

(They probably have some sort of loophole that the Irish branch of Anglo doesn't 'technically' own those assets)

Biggins

Nulty wrote: »

Yeah but my point is that the ****ing bank has assets over seas worth upwards of €55 billion!
(They probably have some sort of loophole that the Irish branch of Anglo doesn't 'technically' own those assets)

I can't comment on what they have or don't have exactly but one thing I do suspect, is that whatever they have, it will be kept and used only when its convenient for the bankers - not for the government or the people.

Once we have coughed up, pulled them out of a hole, the gov' is off their backs - then "abracadabra" - sudden items might pop up on the Bank directors assets/capital sheets that might not have been taken into account earlier and/or grabbed by the state.

---

To get back to my main point in the very first post.
Its an insult to the working people of this country that an elite exists and their existence is not only allowed but their "perks" are STILL being added to - while the rest of us ALL have to suffer.
Its a disgusting disgrace that Fianna Fail - and co remember! - are allowing this to still happen.
..And people still want them in power? Seriously!!! :mad:

AnonoBoy

I suppose I should bother try and get up off my fat arse put down the Xbox controller and actually go and vote next time, huh?


















Joke! I'm joking Biggins, don't kill me please!

Richie860504

There's one point I want to make here. That I don't think has been mentioned yet. Although it's very unfortunate that the financial regulator has put Quinn into administration and alot of people are losing about/ could lose their their jobs. I agree that if the Financial Regulator thinks a company is a risk to the economy it has the power to act. The current economy difficulties in this country were caused by these banks and big companies and also inaction on the part of the last Financial Regulator.
Now that the new Financial Regulator is taking action we have politicians jumpin around the place trying to stop the it from doing it's duty.
It seems to me this government is enjoying watching people suffer and are resisting any attempts for proper procedures to take place to help the country come out of this mess in one piece.
You wait and see Sean Quinn will be given money by FF in a few weeks to save his company. Although I respect the the man the way he built his business, he think if he want to save his company, he works with the financial regulator to get his company out of the mess it's in and not jump at shout at politicians to come and save the day.

Biggins

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Joke! I'm joking Biggins, don't kill me please!

I won't kill you, it will be rising blood pressure that will do the job for many - from seeing the contents of their wallet/pockets/accounts being taken, that will do it sadly.
If you think I'm joking, I hear suicide rates in this country are rising something shocking.
The farming community are very worried over recent deaths alone in their area of expertise.

Mr Freeze

I still think if there was an election in the morning, FF would walk back in....

People will still vote for them, I can't figure it, but they will.

sflemings

FG mightn't do anything different when they get in but they might stop all these big shot payrises that are driving the whole country angry.

Biggins

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

...bear in mind that while the faces may change, the real decision-makers (the civil service) is there for life and THAT needs to be addressed too!

Agree with all what you say - I'd like it though if we can we start with the top first for a change, instead of "perking" them.
The lower ranks alone below them are paying the price also for their elite treatment - as well as the daily average worker.
Thats you and I.

Chairman Meow

Wow, another shameful act on behalf of FF, who saw that coming??
Seriously, how the **** are there not riots on the streets over this ****? If this were France, people would be out in force. Just think on that for 2 minutes, the French are making us look like compelte pussies. The French.

**** it, i didnt vote for FF in the last election. so all you idiots that did are reaping the whirlwind now, way to go.

Slick50

I think these f*ckers, are needling us for their own amusement at this stage.
I don't agree with the industrial action being taken/threatened by the public sector. But how can I condemn that, when these guys are exempting the fat cats on the higher pay scales from pay cuts, and to add insult to injury give them pay hikes. WTF is going on. I think Biggins is right, my head is going to explode trying to make sense of this.
I also think Sean Quinn should have got his act together, re his insurance companie's finances, before the financial regulator appointed an administrator. If he could get his creditors to waive his guarantees so easily, he should have done so long ago. Then he wouldn't have to be ferrying his staff up to dublin, instead of doing their jobs.

OutlawPete

CKWPORT wrote: »

I still think if there was an election in the morning, FF would walk back in....

People will still vote for them, I can't figure it, but they will.

I think so also.

The majority of people in this country vote for whoever their parents voted for.

Biggins

OutlawPete wrote: »

...The majority of people in this country vote for whoever their parents voted for.

Agreed.
Depressing small minded thinking that every time they vote that way alone, shows to the world (again!) just how backwards our nation really is at still in regards modern political thinking practices.

Wibbs

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Wow, another shameful act on behalf of FF, who saw that coming??
Seriously, how the **** are there not riots on the streets over this ****? If this were France, people would be out in force. Just think on that for 2 minutes, the French are making us look like compelte pussies. The French.

+1. The "rebel" irish description is a total crock. Always has been. Oh yes we'll kick up stink outside of ireland and help build nations, but in ireland? Nope. Even our glorious revolution to remove the british was a smale scale thing. Yet we've fought for freedom all over the world.

The french will actively kick up stink. The latins? Well they have revolution in their blood. I've seen this on local levels in a few other countries. We're getting worse too. When the medical card was taken away from the elderly, they stood up and were counted and the muppets backed down. These are old people who stuck an arthritic fist in the air and said fcuk off. Cant see too many 20 year olds or 40 year olds doing it.

We moan about taxi drivers, but they'll protest. Mostly to little result, but at least they try. Even there solidarity is loose enough at the edges. The farmers used to march in big numbers in the past. Not so much now.

The irish nature was summed up for me a few years back. There was rapidly rising fuel charges all over europe so europe marched. The diffs were interesiting and along stereotypical lines. The English patiently queued in long lines outside garages and had tea and buns. The spanish and the italians had big marches and a party, the french went batshít and locked up paris. The Irish? Line of tractors and trucks made their way to dublin. Stopped by the cops at the M50(ahh lads go home) and a couple let through. Useless. The french would have tied the cops to the front of a tractor and gone in regardless.

Ireland is an easy going nation, with lower crime rates than others and has a lot to recommend it(contrary to some popular belief), but as a nation who will bend over and take it up the bum, we're top of the charts. The norman english? Shure d'ya want me to lube up sur. The church? Wanna kiss my ring fada. The government? How far d'ya want me to bend over. Rinse and repeat.

El Diablo 101

Hi guys,

I actually am politically non-aligned, but possibly a bit partial to FG. But I was just thinking :

Who has more to gain out of fixing this country? FF who has to fix a tarnished image? Or FG who are riding the downturn wave into office? (I know - a bit over-simplified but how and ever)

And with regards to how FF are dealing with it, I believe they are somewhat on the right track. The government are being praised by world leaders for the steps that they are taking to fix things.

The international business community relatively confident in us, they haven't left us to drown....YET!

Unfortunately a lot of people borrowed way over their heads when the boom was here, yet when it all comes to an end, they can't afford the ridiculous repayments, and it's other peoples fault.

I am NOT excusing the political elite/ bank SCUM from my rant, I'm, well, just sayin'

Wibbs

Biggins wrote: »

Agreed.
Depressing small minded thinking that every time they vote that way alone, shows to the world (again!) just how backwards our nation really is at still in regards modern political thinking practices.

and will vote in cute hoors who have been found with their hands in the till, time and time again. Indeed one way to be sure or re ellection in this country is to be an inefficient crooked feck who shows up to GAA matches and you're quids in. The political class know it too. Look at the Flynn dynasty. The father opened his gob on the late late, not even bothering to edit himself(well done Gaybo). His daughter gets fingered for all sorts of shenanigans and only recently has expressed a desire to come back in t the fold? :eek: You couldnt make this stuff up.

Chairman Meow

Wibbs wrote: »

and will vote in cute hoors who have been found with their hands in the till, time and time again. Indeed one way to be sure or re ellection in this country is to be an inefficient crooked feck who shows up to GAA matches and you're quids in. The political class know it too. Look at the Flynn dynasty. The father opened his gob on the late late, not even bothering to edit himself(well done Gaybo). His daughter gets fingered for all sorts of shenanigans and only recently has expressed a desire to come back in t the fold? :eek: You couldnt make this stuff up.

Thats the attitude of most people here. The biggest display of it was probably when Bertie was in power "Ah sure he's a bit of a chancer!! but hes a character isnt he??". Eh no, he was robbing you blind and set the country on a crash course for disaster, but got away with it cause "hes a bit of a chancer!! Sure hes an oul divvil!!"
Seems like the Irish would rather have a charming criminal in power than a dull politician.

paddyland

In 1948 the Clann na Poblachta party coalesced with Fine Gael and Labour to oust what had become a deeply entrenched and stagnant Fianna Fáil under de Valera. True to form, before he announced the election, de Valera gerrymandered the political constituencies to undermine the new party. Clann na Poblachta eventually won just ten seats, but would have won nineteen had it not been for dev's interference.

Sean MacBride may have been many things, but he appears to have been a man with a great sense of social justice. At a pre-election rally in Tralee, MacBride made the following speech:

'The Fianna Fáil party have been 15 years in office. They claim that they have done everything that could be done. They claim there is no remedy for emigration, poverty, squalor. They are satisfied with existing conditions. As that is their attitude then let them stand out of the way and let the people with faith in the future take over.'

We might not have the same level of 'squalor' in 21st century Ireland, but the rest, word for word, could be transplanted to today. Nothing has changed in 62 years! Fianna Fáil under de Valera slowly engineered a political system that would favour their survival over all oncomers, as can be seen in the electoral record of this state. People voted for them, yes, but their power stems from decades of abuse of their position, from de Valera gerrymandering in the 1940s, to Bertie shafting friend and foe alike in the 1990s to create an unstoppable political machine.

As I have said here before, the very existence of Fianna Fáil is a subversion of this state. It is not enough merely to vote them out, and see them walk across the house to the opposition benches, and begin braying like asses. The whole formation and structure and existence of that party needs to be independently scrutinised, to see just how they have subverted this state over nine decades, and to see what place in a new Ireland of social justice there might be for them.

Wibbs

+1 to paddyland. Devalera and his cronies were and are one of the biggest stains on our nation. They controlled the political system, controlled the press, involved the church in every level of our society and actively fcuked over the people of this nation. And are still doing it.

drusk

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

nothings going to change untill this country gets so pissed of we go mad at them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

Wolfe Tone

Perfect solution: Put me in charge, Il do a better job!


In reality though theres not much we can do until next election.

peabutler

Their is never much we can do if we stick with our two party attitude.

kodute

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Perfect solution: Put me in charge, Il do a better job!


In reality though theres not much we can do until next election.

You couldn't do a worse job if you tried!

Its mad, when over 3/4 of the population are not happy with the government, more than half are willing to sit down and take it. *




*(Figures may not be facts)

_Kaiser_

There's a letter in today's Independent that makes a lot of sense....

IN response to Tom Butler (Letters, April 4), regarding the rejection by his audience and every "right thinking" Irish person of Ryan Tubridy's call for street protests, I feel that this does really show the worst of the Irish national character.

We will moan and bitch to each other about how bad things are until the cows come home, and finish the lament with a "yerra, nothing can be done about it".

A US ambassador's wife once said about the Irish that we are a lovely people but that we lack a sense of moral outrage.

When someone does step forward and 'bell the cat' we are all right behind them. Until it starts to go pear-shaped, that is, and then we are off like the proverbial rodents leaving the sinking ship.

This is exactly what the Dail denizens have realised decades ago.

You can push anything on the Irish people and they will accept it, no bother, as no one wants to lead the charge for change.

The English realised it in the Famine years when we had absolutely nothing to lose, bar our short, miserable, starving lives.

Instead of rising, the Irish chose to die by the roadside, in work houses or on coffin ships.

Did the men of 1916 go out to what they probably knew was a hopeless mission with that attitude? They were vilified by the Irish until the British began executing them.

That is another unique Irish trait . . . we like our heroes to be dead failures rather than alive and kicking and successful.

So don't worry about our image and it being bad for business, Mr Butler.

The world has taken our measure in the last 12 months and sees Ireland as what it is: a godforsaken rock inhabited by gombeen men elected by moral cowards and fools, in the financial and political sense, who export high-proof Blarney and little else.

They would hardly expect us to be even capable of rioting properly.

Until we get some spine or have it kicked into us, the Government and the other powers that be can sleep peacefully in their beds knowing that they need not fear the "risen people".

They are too busy ringing Liveline and Gerry Ryan to complain about the state of things.

Sean mc Govern

Parteen, Co Clare

Irish Independent