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Sorry but it has to be stated yet again...

  • 07-04-2010 08:49AM
    #1
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    I know others are tired of the Fianna Fail bashing - as of late I've tended to give it a rest myself.
    I'm sorry to say but it has to be stated, they really are taking the piss.
    The whole whole country is taking cuts left right and centre, be it public or private we are all paying increased taxes, less benefits, new levy's, etc...
    Hospital cuts, public transport cuts, school cuts, medical card cuts, essential services such as Gardi and fire services cuts and on and on and on...

    ...All that is except for the elite!
    Wednesday April 07 2010
    TOP civil servants earning up to €146,000 a year told Finance Minister Brian Lenihan that their work was so important they deserved a pay rise.
    Mr Lenihan subsequently decided to give these 150 key personnel -- along with 450 other senior state employees -- an exemption from the full brunt of the public-service pay cuts.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elite-civil-servants-we-deserve-a-pay-rise-2127572.html

    Now I can understand that some in areas have to have wages comparable to the private sector - but to give an elite virtual carte-blanch to avoid completely what the rest of the nation is coughing-up is just taking the piss - and FF are allowing this to happen again on their watch.

    Its one rule for them - and another rule for the rest of the country.

    * For the record: I have a sister that is also a civil servant.
    Between one cut and another, not including PRSI increased rates, her wages are down 400-500 a month alone.
    From low level to middle level across the board, be it public or private areas, all are making some contribution to getting this country back on its feet - all again except those elite awarded "special privlages" by a disgusting political party!

    Fianna Fail = scum
    Greens = an absolute disgusting disgrace for propping them up still.
    The Independents = another disgusting disgrace for voting to still keep the above two in power!

    Want more reason to get angry at the elected elite alone?
    Last year alone just for a few cars...
    THE cost of providing chauffeur-driven cars to four ex-taoiseach came to a massive €684,247 last year, new figures reveal.
    And former taoiseach Bertie Ahern ran up the biggest bill in his 2006 Mercedes S350 at €175,635.
    But he was closely followed by Albert Reynolds, whose overall costs came to a total of €173,843.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/berties-chauffeurdriven-merc-clocks-up-8364175600-travel-bill-2126292.html

    One rule/existence for us - another rule/existence for them...

    George Orwell had it right.
    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."


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  • #2
    kodute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭kodute


    Not really that shocking tbh...
    'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!


  • #3
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    kodute wrote: »
    Not really that shocking tbh...
    'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!

    I heard WikiLeaks are releasing a video this week....


  • #4
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    kodute wrote: »
    Not really that shocking tbh...
    'Mary Harney kills and eats babies' now that would get the mob riled up!

    Not enough meat on them tbh.

    'mary Harney Kills and eats baby elephants' would be more accurate.


  • #5
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    As office staff log on this morning, be it public or private sector, turn on boards.ie and/or read the news - remember...
    When the next election comes around, ye know who is responsible for the huge drop in your wages, what they are doing about it and how your being screwed and getting no pleasure out of it - just constant pain.

    The next time you vote - vote better!


  • #6
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    My favorite boat is the QE2!


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  • #7
    Keano
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭Keano


    Biggins wrote: »
    As office staff log on this morning, be it public or private sector, turn on boards.ie and/or read the news - remember...
    When the next election comes around, ye know who is responsible for the huge drop in your wages, what they are doing about it and how your being screwed and getting no pleasure out of it - just constant pain.

    The next time you vote - vote better!
    +1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.


  • #8
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    nothings going to change untill this country gets so pissed of we go mad at them but its not going to happen because the irish for most of our existance, let our governemnt **** us all up the ass when ever they feel like and what do we do but forgive them. its embarissing enought to have a government who are the laughing stock of the world tbh i think the people of this country are the laughing stock of the world we still do nothing....

    but grin and bare it.


  • #9
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Keano A Legend wrote: »
    +1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.
    I agree.
    All we can hope for a start, is that the favouritism and awarding off special privileges to an elite comes to an end.
    Any start (in future) like that would be progression from a now opposition.


  • #10
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    i just wanan make one more point....

    Look what happend when the frenach guy who hand balled the ball into the net for the world cup how many people got those stupid ****ing face book requests ? on why we should all protest against the french... yet when it comes to our own governement ****in us up the ass we lie back...


  • #11
    kodute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭kodute


    Snow-Monkey wrote: »
    i just wanan make one more point....

    Look what happend when the frenach guy who hand balled the ball into the net for the world cup how many people got those stupid ****ing face book requests ? on why we should all protest against the french... yet when it comes to our own governement ****in us up the ass we lie back...

    Thats because FB is shít and full of losers with nothing better to do.

    The real thinkers use boards! ;)


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  • #12
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Keano A Legend wrote: »
    +1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.

    + 1 with Biggins too.

    And I agree with Keano too, there won't be instant cash back if there is a FG/LAB government, but these FF shower have been there too long and only care about lining their own pockets.

    There might be F all difference between FF and FG policies when you think about, but I think FF are rotten to the core, and need to go, FG mightn't be as bad.

    The last thing I'd expect to see is an instant turn around in the economy if an alternative government was in power, the damage is done, but it sickens me to think of FF in opposition criticizing FG for the mess we are in, and their plans for recovery, when it was FF that created it.


  • #13
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    kodute wrote: »
    Thats because FB is shít and full of losers with nothing better to do.

    The real thinkers use boards! ;)

    well thast true but even the lossers who are what 763,5587 ppeople where happy to join and give that old important I like this click :rolleyes:

    If that many people clicked a question weather fianna foil should be kicked out of governement it would be 5 times that amount yet... :rolleyes:


  • #14
    Optimalprimerib
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Optimalprimerib


    So we kick out fianna fail, fianna gael come in, do no better, kick them out, get someone else, same thing happens.

    A pattern will begin to emerge and the government parties will realise that if they are to be successful they cannot carry on the way they are and provide positive results.

    The chances of this happening are zero though. Fg get in, do sh1t. Ah sure maybe ff weren t that bad.


  • #15
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Biggins I am with you and I understand you but honestly.... Do you really think fine gael and labour have the ability let alone the political clout to deal with this...

    I cannot stand fianna fail. However I cannot stand michael o leary and i will fly with him because he is going where I want to go at the price i like.

    Finna fail are the only party that is taking me where I want to go... Granted its costing a fair bit...


  • #16
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here
    (Warning: Unpopular semi-rant.. ok its a full rant... ahead..)

    In my opinion, the biggest problem in this country (and I say this as an Irish man), is that we as a people are too immature to run a country...

    Think about it.. the State is about what? 90 years old? We're not mature enough as a country to make the tough decisions properly.

    Instead what we get is a state appartus (be it eircom, ESB, Bord Gas, the banks, the health service - ANYTHING really that is/was run by the Irish) that's run on the "ah sure it'll be grand" approach to business - "oh we made a mistake with your account.. well sure it'll take a few days to fix that but sure you can manage in the meantime right?" :rolleyes:

    Couple that with a government made up of people who's primary interest is getting into power, staying in, and lining their pockets and those of their mates as much as and for as long as they can! Naturally, they then think that the public are there to serve them, not the other way around and the concept of "the greater good" doesn't figure once, and the game is to pass the buck as much as you can and never, EVER take any responsibility for your decisions!

    People complain about FF and the people who voted them in, but honestly what real alternatives are there? FG?? Sinn Fein?? The FF backbenchers who anonymously whinged in the papers about Cowen and the cabinet, and rumbled about a possible leadership challenge all stayed suspiciously quiet at the latest party meeting today.

    Then you have a general public who are great at whinging at each other in the pubs and on message boards like this, but who then close their mouths like good sheep and accept the latest ridiculous scandal/announcement from the aforementioned "government" without comment.
    I saw a letter in one of the papers recently and the author made a very good point - about the only thing that would get the people in this country fired up is if they were to close all the pubs and ban alcohol! :rolleyes:

    The problem is that as a nation, we are too interested in looking after our own personal interests, our family, our mates, our little patch of land, showing off to our neighbours ("look at my shiny new 10-reg car (that I'm up to my neck in debt for)"), and getting one over on "the man" (be it social welfare fraud, or trying to get out of a speeding fine), that we really can't be trusted to run a country where the decisions (especially in a common market/global economy) are more serious and far-reaching than the parochial politics we engage in.

    We have collectively squandered the biggest economic boom this country has ever seen (or is likely to ever see again). OK we have a few new motorways and bypasses but our "well educated workforce" is now largely a myth (while we waste time with Irish and the teachings of the Catholic Church, children at primary level on the continent can already speak 2/3 languages!), our healthcare system is on par with a third world country, and our infrastructure (secondary roads, broadband etc) is years behind even former Soviet Bloc states. What do we really have to offer potential investors?

    Now thanks to all of this our government has effectively stagnated the country for the next 20/30 years. Anglo should have been left to fall, but instead we, our children, and probably our grandchildren will be left to pick up the bill from all of this!
    Worse again, not one of the people at government/executive level responsible for selling out our country's future will see the inside of a jail cell!

    It's a proud day to be Irish alright....

    (Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

    Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
    We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up if we're not prepared to put up as they say.


  • #17
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Optimalprimerib wrote: »
    So we kick out fianna fail, fianna gael come in, do no better, kick them out, get someone else, same thing happens.

    A pattern will begin to emerge and the government parties will realise that if they are to be successful they cannot carry on the way they are and provide positive results.

    The chances of this happening are zero though. Fg get in, do sh1t. Ah sure maybe ff weren t that bad.

    Has it ever been any different...do you expect it to get any better? The only way to control them is to vote fresh party into government every time. Never let them settle. None of their initial ideas are that bad, it's only when they're left long enough can they do damage.


  • #18
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Where is YOUR money going?
    No further comment needed.

    23u1xdv.jpg

    2vc6n86.jpg

    ...and they will be getting a lot more!
    Joey the lips wrote: »
    Biggins I am with you and I understand you but honestly.... Do you really think fine gael and labour have the ability let alone the political clout to deal with this...
    I cannot stand fianna fail. However I cannot stand michael o leary and i will fly with him because he is going where I want to go at the price i like.
    Fianna fail are the only party that is taking me where I want to go... Granted its costing a fair bit...

    If they were taking us were we all want to go, that would be good - but they are apparently doing so it appears while financially raping us behind our backs!

    Now I was brought up to believe that crooks, bullies, liars and those that treat others unequally, when found out - are not rewarded - but punished.
    What are we saying by allowing this bunch of absolute elitist crooks to continue on in power.

    I agree, the opposition might not be much better - but we won't know till we give them a chance at least.
    What more have we got to lose!


  • #19
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Biggins wrote: »
    Where is YOUR money going?
    No further comment needed.

    23u1xdv.jpg

    2vc6n86.jpg

    Stunned...


  • #20
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here



    (Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

    Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
    We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up and put up as they say.

    which is effectivly waht the nation is doing. Because there all bone idol lazy ****ers who are happy to see the how much per person will be spent.. recovering from anglo irishs fcuk ups ?


    I fckinging hate thes farse filled wa*kstains who run the countrey not saying enda kenny can do any better either or labour or the greens...

    what ireland needs is vision unforuntatly there are only a few who have it...


  • #21
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Biggins wrote: »
    2vc6n86.jpg


    bloody hell, that electricity is expensive. should done the big switch.


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  • #22
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    Keano A Legend wrote: »
    +1 that Biggins but they other political parties are not much better. People need to be realistic with their expectations, I don't think for one second think if FG/LAB get into power that I am going to get instant cash back.
    yes but are you prepared to give it a go? We can't just assume the others are no better or we'll just be stuck with these fukcers forever.


  • #23
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    Totally agree Biggins. But we (the voting Irish public) have only ourselves to blame. As I said over here



    (Reposting so as not to derail that thread)

    Some people may consider that harsh, and maybe it is, but the truth is often painful.
    We (all) need to wake up and look at the state of our country and then DO something about it. Otherwise we might as well just shut up and put up as they say.

    They say "put up or shut up"


  • #24
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Is it true that Anglo Irish Bank have assets abroad worth upwards of €55 billion?

    Someone I know was talking to a guy who works/ed in Anglo in Boston that said that. How does that work out?


  • #25
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    problemchimp wrote: »
    yes but are you prepared to give it a go? We can't just assume the others are no better or we'll just be stuck with these fukcers forever.

    You have a point but the problem with our politicial system is the way voting works. No matter what they do, a big percentage of the population will ALWAYS vote FF (because it's what their parents voted, or it's who they always vote for). Similarly another big percentage will vote FG.

    That leaves say maybe 20% of the electorate. Some of these will vote on conscience (eg: the Greens), others will vote for their local rep who's done good in their community (Independents). Still more will vote randomly, or not at all! (If you fall into this latter catagory, you have no right to complain later IMO).

    The result is that you're always going to end up with one of the "big two" in a coalition with one of the smaller parties. While I'm no fan of the Greens anyway, you can see that for the most part they are ineffectual in government and the few policies they have gotten implemented are just thinly-veiled revenue generators rather than actual progress on their agenda.

    All that said, someone else suggested rotating the government every term and that's probably the best we could hope for in the current system, but bear in mind that while the faces may change, the real decision-makers (the civil service) is there for life and THAT needs to be addressed too!


  • #26
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Nulty wrote: »
    They say "put up or shut up"

    d'oh.. typo.. edited! :)


  • #27
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Nulty wrote: »
    Is it true that Anglo Irish Bank have assets abroad worth upwards of €55 billion?
    Someone I know was talking to a guy who works/ed in Anglo in Boston that said that. How does that work out?
    Just on that...

    [IMG][/img]http://i43.tinypic.com/25psklc.jpg

    Now remember that total figure of a further 43 Billion at the bottom when your paying your taxes, old levy's, new levy's, higher PRSI, pension payments, - and the elite get off and Bertie and his like, still gets their cars, expenses, HUGE wages, perks, etc.


  • #28
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Regarding the OP and the workers who consider their work "too important" to get pay cuts...WTF?

    Is their job not to act responsibly and help the country cuts its spending to make the economy more stable?

    Unless you tell me you can in no way afford to take a pay cut then any other excuse deserves a kick in the nads!


  • #29
    Nulty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Biggins wrote: »
    Just on that...

    [IMG][/img]http://i43.tinypic.com/25psklc.jpg

    Now remember that total figure of a further 43 Billion at the bottom when your paying your taxes, old levy's, new levy's, higher PRSI, pension payments, - and the elite get off and Bertie and his like, still gets their cars, expenses, HUGE wages, perks, etc.

    Yeah but my point is that the ****ing bank has assets over seas worth upwards of €55 billion!

    (They probably have some sort of loophole that the Irish branch of Anglo doesn't 'technically' own those assets)


  • #30
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Nulty wrote: »
    Yeah but my point is that the ****ing bank has assets over seas worth upwards of €55 billion!
    (They probably have some sort of loophole that the Irish branch of Anglo doesn't 'technically' own those assets)

    I can't comment on what they have or don't have exactly but one thing I do suspect, is that whatever they have, it will be kept and used only when its convenient for the bankers - not for the government or the people.

    Once we have coughed up, pulled them out of a hole, the gov' is off their backs - then "abracadabra" - sudden items might pop up on the Bank directors assets/capital sheets that might not have been taken into account earlier and/or grabbed by the state.

    To get back to my main point in the very first post.
    Its an insult to the working people of this country that an elite exists and their existence is not only allowed but their "perks" are STILL being added to - while the rest of us ALL have to suffer.
    Its a disgusting disgrace that Fianna Fail - and co remember! - are allowing this to still happen.
    ..And people still want them in power? Seriously!!! :mad:


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  • #31
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    I suppose I should bother try and get up off my fat arse put down the Xbox controller and actually go and vote next time, huh?


















    Joke! I'm joking Biggins, don't kill me please! :o


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