Sorry but it has to be stated yet again...

Richie860504 · 07-04-2010 10:40AM

There's one point I want to make here. That I don't think has been mentioned yet. Although it's very unfortunate that the financial regulator has put Quinn into administration and alot of people are losing about/ could lose their their jobs. I agree that if the Financial Regulator thinks a company is a risk to the economy it has the power to act. The current economy difficulties in this country were caused by these banks and big companies and also inaction on the part of the last Financial Regulator.
Now that the new Financial Regulator is taking action we have politicians jumpin around the place trying to stop the it from doing it's duty.
It seems to me this government is enjoying watching people suffer and are resisting any attempts for proper procedures to take place to help the country come out of this mess in one piece.
You wait and see Sean Quinn will be given money by FF in a few weeks to save his company. Although I respect the the man the way he built his business, he think if he want to save his company, he works with the financial regulator to get his company out of the mess it's in and not jump at shout at politicians to come and save the day.

Biggins · 07-04-2010 10:42AM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Joke! I'm joking Biggins, don't kill me please!

I won't kill you, it will be rising blood pressure that will do the job for many - from seeing the contents of their wallet/pockets/accounts being taken, that will do it sadly.
If you think I'm joking, I hear suicide rates in this country are rising something shocking.
The farming community are very worried over recent deaths alone in their area of expertise.

Mr Freeze · 07-04-2010 10:46AM

I still think if there was an election in the morning, FF would walk back in....

People will still vote for them, I can't figure it, but they will.

sflemings · 07-04-2010 10:47AM

FG mightn't do anything different when they get in but they might stop all these big shot payrises that are driving the whole country angry.

Biggins · 07-04-2010 11:02AM

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

...bear in mind that while the faces may change, the real decision-makers (the civil service) is there for life and THAT needs to be addressed too!

Agree with all what you say - I'd like it though if we can we start with the top first for a change, instead of "perking" them.
The lower ranks alone below them are paying the price also for their elite treatment - as well as the daily average worker.
Thats you and I.

Chairman Meow · 07-04-2010 11:33AM

Wow, another shameful act on behalf of FF, who saw that coming??
Seriously, how the **** are there not riots on the streets over this ****? If this were France, people would be out in force. Just think on that for 2 minutes, the French are making us look like compelte pussies. The French.

**** it, i didnt vote for FF in the last election. so all you idiots that did are reaping the whirlwind now, way to go.

Slick50 · 07-04-2010 11:48AM

I think these f*ckers, are needling us for their own amusement at this stage.
I don't agree with the industrial action being taken/threatened by the public sector. But how can I condemn that, when these guys are exempting the fat cats on the higher pay scales from pay cuts, and to add insult to injury give them pay hikes. WTF is going on. I think Biggins is right, my head is going to explode trying to make sense of this.
I also think Sean Quinn should have got his act together, re his insurance companie's finances, before the financial regulator appointed an administrator. If he could get his creditors to waive his guarantees so easily, he should have done so long ago. Then he wouldn't have to be ferrying his staff up to dublin, instead of doing their jobs.

OutlawPete · 07-04-2010 11:54AM

CKWPORT wrote: »

I still think if there was an election in the morning, FF would walk back in....

People will still vote for them, I can't figure it, but they will.

I think so also.

The majority of people in this country vote for whoever their parents voted for.

Biggins · 07-04-2010 12:06PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

...The majority of people in this country vote for whoever their parents voted for.

Agreed.
Depressing small minded thinking that every time they vote that way alone, shows to the world (again!) just how backwards our nation really is at still in regards modern political thinking practices.

Wibbs · 07-04-2010 12:08PM

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Wow, another shameful act on behalf of FF, who saw that coming??
Seriously, how the **** are there not riots on the streets over this ****? If this were France, people would be out in force. Just think on that for 2 minutes, the French are making us look like compelte pussies. The French.

+1. The "rebel" irish description is a total crock. Always has been. Oh yes we'll kick up stink outside of ireland and help build nations, but in ireland? Nope. Even our glorious revolution to remove the british was a smale scale thing. Yet we've fought for freedom all over the world.

The french will actively kick up stink. The latins? Well they have revolution in their blood. I've seen this on local levels in a few other countries. We're getting worse too. When the medical card was taken away from the elderly, they stood up and were counted and the muppets backed down. These are old people who stuck an arthritic fist in the air and said fcuk off. Cant see too many 20 year olds or 40 year olds doing it.

We moan about taxi drivers, but they'll protest. Mostly to little result, but at least they try. Even there solidarity is loose enough at the edges. The farmers used to march in big numbers in the past. Not so much now.

The irish nature was summed up for me a few years back. There was rapidly rising fuel charges all over europe so europe marched. The diffs were interesiting and along stereotypical lines. The English patiently queued in long lines outside garages and had tea and buns. The spanish and the italians had big marches and a party, the french went batshít and locked up paris. The Irish? Line of tractors and trucks made their way to dublin. Stopped by the cops at the M50(ahh lads go home) and a couple let through. Useless. The french would have tied the cops to the front of a tractor and gone in regardless.

Ireland is an easy going nation, with lower crime rates than others and has a lot to recommend it(contrary to some popular belief), but as a nation who will bend over and take it up the bum, we're top of the charts. The norman english? Shure d'ya want me to lube up sur. The church? Wanna kiss my ring fada. The government? How far d'ya want me to bend over. Rinse and repeat.

El Diablo 101 · 07-04-2010 12:09PM

Hi guys,

I actually am politically non-aligned, but possibly a bit partial to FG. But I was just thinking :

Who has more to gain out of fixing this country? FF who has to fix a tarnished image? Or FG who are riding the downturn wave into office? (I know - a bit over-simplified but how and ever)

And with regards to how FF are dealing with it, I believe they are somewhat on the right track. The government are being praised by world leaders for the steps that they are taking to fix things.

The international business community relatively confident in us, they haven't left us to drown....YET!

Unfortunately a lot of people borrowed way over their heads when the boom was here, yet when it all comes to an end, they can't afford the ridiculous repayments, and it's other peoples fault.

I am NOT excusing the political elite/ bank SCUM from my rant, I'm, well, just sayin'

Wibbs · 07-04-2010 12:12PM

Biggins wrote: »

Agreed.
Depressing small minded thinking that every time they vote that way alone, shows to the world (again!) just how backwards our nation really is at still in regards modern political thinking practices.

and will vote in cute hoors who have been found with their hands in the till, time and time again. Indeed one way to be sure or re ellection in this country is to be an inefficient crooked feck who shows up to GAA matches and you're quids in. The political class know it too. Look at the Flynn dynasty. The father opened his gob on the late late, not even bothering to edit himself(well done Gaybo). His daughter gets fingered for all sorts of shenanigans and only recently has expressed a desire to come back in t the fold? :eek: You couldnt make this stuff up.

Chairman Meow · 07-04-2010 12:24PM

Wibbs wrote: »

and will vote in cute hoors who have been found with their hands in the till, time and time again. Indeed one way to be sure or re ellection in this country is to be an inefficient crooked feck who shows up to GAA matches and you're quids in. The political class know it too. Look at the Flynn dynasty. The father opened his gob on the late late, not even bothering to edit himself(well done Gaybo). His daughter gets fingered for all sorts of shenanigans and only recently has expressed a desire to come back in t the fold? :eek: You couldnt make this stuff up.

Thats the attitude of most people here. The biggest display of it was probably when Bertie was in power "Ah sure he's a bit of a chancer!! but hes a character isnt he??". Eh no, he was robbing you blind and set the country on a crash course for disaster, but got away with it cause "hes a bit of a chancer!! Sure hes an oul divvil!!"
Seems like the Irish would rather have a charming criminal in power than a dull politician.

paddyland · 07-04-2010 12:41PM

In 1948 the Clann na Poblachta party coalesced with Fine Gael and Labour to oust what had become a deeply entrenched and stagnant Fianna Fáil under de Valera. True to form, before he announced the election, de Valera gerrymandered the political constituencies to undermine the new party. Clann na Poblachta eventually won just ten seats, but would have won nineteen had it not been for dev's interference.

Sean MacBride may have been many things, but he appears to have been a man with a great sense of social justice. At a pre-election rally in Tralee, MacBride made the following speech:

'The Fianna Fáil party have been 15 years in office. They claim that they have done everything that could be done. They claim there is no remedy for emigration, poverty, squalor. They are satisfied with existing conditions. As that is their attitude then let them stand out of the way and let the people with faith in the future take over.'

We might not have the same level of 'squalor' in 21st century Ireland, but the rest, word for word, could be transplanted to today. Nothing has changed in 62 years! Fianna Fáil under de Valera slowly engineered a political system that would favour their survival over all oncomers, as can be seen in the electoral record of this state. People voted for them, yes, but their power stems from decades of abuse of their position, from de Valera gerrymandering in the 1940s, to Bertie shafting friend and foe alike in the 1990s to create an unstoppable political machine.

As I have said here before, the very existence of Fianna Fáil is a subversion of this state. It is not enough merely to vote them out, and see them walk across the house to the opposition benches, and begin braying like asses. The whole formation and structure and existence of that party needs to be independently scrutinised, to see just how they have subverted this state over nine decades, and to see what place in a new Ireland of social justice there might be for them.

Wibbs · 07-04-2010 12:53PM

+1 to paddyland. Devalera and his cronies were and are one of the biggest stains on our nation. They controlled the political system, controlled the press, involved the church in every level of our society and actively fcuked over the people of this nation. And are still doing it.

drusk · 07-04-2010 12:54PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

nothings going to change untill this country gets so pissed of we go mad at them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

Wolfe Tone · 07-04-2010 01:18PM

Perfect solution: Put me in charge, Il do a better job!

In reality though theres not much we can do until next election.

peabutler · 07-04-2010 01:25PM

Their is never much we can do if we stick with our two party attitude.

kodute · 07-04-2010 02:24PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Perfect solution: Put me in charge, Il do a better job!

In reality though theres not much we can do until next election.

You couldn't do a worse job if you tried!

Its mad, when over 3/4 of the population are not happy with the government, more than half are willing to sit down and take it. *

*(Figures may not be facts)

_Kaiser_ · 07-04-2010 02:34PM

There's a letter in today's Independent that makes a lot of sense....

IN response to Tom Butler (Letters, April 4), regarding the rejection by his audience and every "right thinking" Irish person of Ryan Tubridy's call for street protests, I feel that this does really show the worst of the Irish national character.

We will moan and bitch to each other about how bad things are until the cows come home, and finish the lament with a "yerra, nothing can be done about it".

A US ambassador's wife once said about the Irish that we are a lovely people but that we lack a sense of moral outrage.

When someone does step forward and 'bell the cat' we are all right behind them. Until it starts to go pear-shaped, that is, and then we are off like the proverbial rodents leaving the sinking ship.

This is exactly what the Dail denizens have realised decades ago.

You can push anything on the Irish people and they will accept it, no bother, as no one wants to lead the charge for change.

The English realised it in the Famine years when we had absolutely nothing to lose, bar our short, miserable, starving lives.

Instead of rising, the Irish chose to die by the roadside, in work houses or on coffin ships.

Did the men of 1916 go out to what they probably knew was a hopeless mission with that attitude? They were vilified by the Irish until the British began executing them.

That is another unique Irish trait . . . we like our heroes to be dead failures rather than alive and kicking and successful.

So don't worry about our image and it being bad for business, Mr Butler.

The world has taken our measure in the last 12 months and sees Ireland as what it is: a godforsaken rock inhabited by gombeen men elected by moral cowards and fools, in the financial and political sense, who export high-proof Blarney and little else.

They would hardly expect us to be even capable of rioting properly.

Until we get some spine or have it kicked into us, the Government and the other powers that be can sleep peacefully in their beds knowing that they need not fear the "risen people".

They are too busy ringing Liveline and Gerry Ryan to complain about the state of things.

Sean mc Govern

Parteen, Co Clare

Irish Independent

ART6 · 07-04-2010 03:37PM

I don't have a clue who is likely to get in at the next election, and I have no idea if FG are better or worse than FF. In fact I would put most of the current crop of politicians in the useless camp. However, one thing that does bother me is the coilition custom whereby party A gets (say) 30% of the vote. Party B gets 33%. Both claim they have a mandate because a third of the electorate voted for them although two thirds didn't. Party A now cuddles up with party C which managed to interest 5% of the elctorate (hardly an overwhelming display of public support) and so can now cobble together 35% of the vote and can form a government. That way we got FF with minority electorate support and the Greens with damn all electorate support, and are likely to get something similar if (say) FG tie up with Sinn Fein (Oh we would never do that!).

I just cannot understand how that can be democratic and I firmly believe that if a party suggests tying up with another to get elected then it should go back to the people and seek approval at a new election. Possibly the mechanism might be to write into the Constitution that to form a government any political party or grouping of parties must obtain more than 50% of the vote. I am not a political animal and I have no clear idea how that would work, but the current system sure as hell doesn't:mad:

alias141282 · 08-04-2010 11:50PM

I just saw on primetime tonight that the State may have to bail out the bondholders in Quinn Insurance at a cost of almost 4 billion. Anglo has a provisional plan to put in 700m and State will buy out bondholders to the tune of 4 billion. :eek: Taking the piss at this stage.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0408/primetime_av.html?2733094,null,230

RonMexico · 09-04-2010 12:07AM

They are all swine and should be treated as such.

JuliusCaesar · 09-04-2010 12:57AM

"Since the Minister for Finance gave an update in the Dáil yesterday on the cost of the banking and building bailout, some 100 babies have been born with a debt of €9,000 hanging around each of their necks. That is the start in life this Fianna Fáil Government has given them and the 1.5 million more babies who will be born in this country over the next 20 years. These children will grow up deprived of the best possible health treatment, education and standards of living. " Phil Prendergast Seanad Debate, 30.03.10

Misty Chaos · 09-04-2010 01:25AM

I'm going to honest here guys. Brutally honest. A rant, you could say. This is going to be unpopular but I don't care.

Anyway, what do I really think?

For one thing, I'm thankful for my time on boards, it has made realize that what pussies we, the so-called ' Fighting Irish ' are. Its one thing that I wanting to emigrate because there are no jobs or money in the country but its another thing that I want to emigrate because I sh!t sick of the bally-go-backwards ' ah, sure he's a character ' corrupt ass-raping of the average joe political system that is ingrained in this country!

I'm sorry, but it is. I see it everywhere, people not being able to get jobs because they don't know Mick who is in the town council. People moaning and groaning about the current government. Yet, what do we do at election time, re-elect the same shower crooks. It might as well as be Vote Fiana Fail - Because Its Your Only Choice!

Fcuk sake, people. I swear to god, reading about all this really and utterly makes my blood boil! I swear, I'm going to end up reading something someday about the government that will make me throw this laptop across the room and scream in rage!

And you know whats worst? We really do take it up the ass. All we do is moan and moan about it but never do anything about it. Geese, is it any wonder we're a nation of alcoholics!? Numb the pain. ' ah sure, the price of booze on gone down ' er yeah but everything else has gone up, cop on, for fook sake!

God, the fact that we as Irish, seem to enjoy being abused in our own country makes me ashamed by be Irish.

Moaning about it on Liveline and Duffy isn't going to do anything, unless it will benefit the crooks, criminals and other swine that want to take everything from you for all your worth. Case in point, head - shops. Oh, lets ban all the legal highs! The Duffy brigade demand it! Hey, why don't you give the money to the drug dealers, you pretty much bailing out those crooks, don't even get me started on the banks!

Oh, thank god, I really needed to let off some steam.

Duggy747 · 09-04-2010 01:35AM

As this scenario continues somehow I get the feeling the world is going to create a new stereotype of us as a ghost of our former "rebel fighting" selves.

I can see some non-Irish newspaper cartoonist drawing a picture of us bent over with our pants down while a characiture of a fat cat digs deep to pull out his chunk of a rod for us.

Lone Stone · 09-04-2010 02:13AM

Is there any new political party ? made by a younger generation. If not why not all i see is the same bunch of old prune's afraid to upset the church. i dont want to support any at the moment they all seem to have some wierd mindset i dont care to listen to anymore no passion of patriotism for the country they seemingly want to run.

Le King · 09-04-2010 02:14AM

That's a load of shite.

Sorry but it has to be stated yet again...

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