Student Union Christmas Exam Referendum

evercloserunion

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I certainly can't pick which semester I have a "heavier load" in. I take the same amount of credits each semester. So ur point makes no sense to me.

In some courses you can split your credits unevenly; in other courses, in my opinion, you should be able to split them unevenly. As I said it won't always be the best option but we should have the choice. The college can't hope to anticipate every student's unique circumstances which may influence their optimal study patterns.

Craguls

DanDan6592 wrote: »

WEEEELLL....aren't you just GREAT Craguls :)

Why yes, yes I am.:)

dgator

I'm going to be studying at Trinity for a semester (August to December). Coming from a school who offers Fall, Spring and Summer semesters (though we don't have to take the Summer semester)... it's the best option.


At my school we take a course for 4 months have an exam at the end and then move on. Actually the methods to which we are tested are entirely up to the professors.

However, if someone could enlighten me, are the courses at Trinity now going to be only one semester long? As in not year long and carried over.

electrogrimey

Nothing is going to change yet anyway, definitely won't be implemented next year, maybe the year after.

Steve Higginson

Results are in (http://www.tcdsu.org/) and Yes won by a very large margin.

Denerick

Steve Higginson wrote: »

Results are in (http://www.tcdsu.org/) and Yes won by a very large margin.

A turnout of 1767 has absolutely no democratic legitimacy. Yet of course it goes without saying that the likes of you will ignore this and accuse the likes of me as being semi facist agitators who dare to insult the integrity of the student political institutions.

Mark200

Denerick wrote: »

A turnout of 1767 has absolutely no democratic legitimacy. Yet of course it goes without saying that the likes of you will ignore this and accuse the likes of me as being semi facist agitators who dare to insult the integrity of the student political institutions.

If someone really didn't want Christmas exams then why wouldn't they vote no?

Denerick

Mark200 wrote: »

If someone really didn't want Christmas exams then why wouldn't they vote no?

You miss the point. The vast majority of people are obviously indifferent to the question. A sizable portion of the electorate find the very notion of the SU holding a referundum to be galling in the extreme and hence do not bother participating in such a vainglorious indulgence in self importance. Unfortunately, it is always the tiny minority who hold a passionate obsession who dominate student politics - a lá the Coke ban.

Mark200

Denerick wrote: »

A sizable portion of the electorate find the very notion of the SU holding a referundum to be galling in the extreme

I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion.... have you talked to a "sizeable portion of the electorate"? I'd imagine that a sizeable portion decided not to vote because they knew it would be an overwhelming yes anyway.

As I said, if they strongly opposed the idea of Christmas exams then they could have voted no, instead of sitting on their hands and apparently telling you how they "find the very notion of the SU holding a referundum to be galling in the extreme"

Denerick

Mark200 wrote: »

I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion.... have you talked to a "sizeable portion of the electorate"? I'd imagine that a sizeable portion decided not to vote because they knew it would be an overwhelming yes anyway.

As I said, if they strongly opposed the idea of Christmas exams then they could have voted no, instead of sitting on their hands and apparently telling you how they "find the very notion of the SU holding a referundum to be galling in the extreme"

Why should it be the imperative of the politically indifferent to assert their opinion in a political poll organised by a group with no democratic legitimacy? We have no choice about whether we want an SU or not, and I do not assume that I am a member and that it represents my rights. The SU holding a referendum is about as valid to me as the TCD Comedy Soc. holding a referendum about which cartoon is superior (The Simpsons V South Park) That goes for most Trinity students, I'd imagine.

gearoidof

Ignoring denerick, I'm off next year, and am happy that upon my return, christmas exams will be implemented for me to fail.

ilovemybrick

Denerick wrote: »

Why should it be the imperative of the politically indifferent to assert their opinion in a political poll organised by a group with no democratic legitimacy? We have no choice about whether we want an SU or not, and I do not assume that I am a member and that it represents my rights. The SU holding a referendum is about as valid to me as the TCD Comedy Soc. holding a referendum about which cartoon is superior (The Simpsons V South Park) That goes for most Trinity students, I'd imagine.

Its called DU Comedy Soc. I'm a stickler for detail. As a whole the body of work of the Simpsons has had more of a cultural impact, but for incisive and at times intelligent comedy I would suspect that South Park would win based on the theoretical demographics of this pretend referendum.

Also I welcome your input. I disagree with it, as usual but you did in fact present a semi-coherent argument rather than sensationalist drivel you previously cogged from "a quick guide to political science" books.

On your point, the SU has held a referendum, whether you think this is a good idea or not is irrelevant. You do not engage, you bitch about the Union on an internet site. Stupider ideas have been floated at SU Council and have been defeated because people stood up and disputed their legitimacy, the Union is a framework - the positions it holds on fees, exams etc are all flexible and based on the people involved. So get up, get out and disagree.

ilovemybrick

Denerick wrote: »

You miss the point. The vast majority of people are obviously indifferent to the question. A sizable portion of the electorate find the very notion of the SU holding a referundum to be galling in the extreme and hence do not bother participating in such a vainglorious indulgence in self importance. Unfortunately, it is always the tiny minority who hold a passionate obsession who dominate student politics - a lá the Coke ban.

aaaaaannndd just to say, the campaign to remove the Coke ban used this point as an argument in that referendum. If people didnt care, then why have a ban. It worked.

Denerick

ilovemybrick wrote: »

Also I welcome your input. I disagree with it, as usual but you did in fact present a semi-coherent argument rather than sensationalist drivel you previously cogged from "a quick guide to political science" books.

Are you even in TCD anymore? Do you think I care whether you think my argument is semi coherent or sensationalist? The hallmark of any political argument is its ability to evoke a response. I leave the measured, reasoned discourse to academic essays. The internet is supposed to be a hub of ideas and dissent. If you don't understand that, then you can take your priggish self importance elsewhere.

ilovemybrick

Denerick wrote: »

Are you even in TCD anymore? Do you think I care whether you think my argument is semi coherent or sensationalist? The hallmark of any political argument is its ability to evoke a response. I leave the measured, reasoned discourse to academic essays. The internet is supposed to be a hub of ideas and dissent. If you don't understand that, then you can take your priggish self importance elsewhere.

I think you care a great deal what people think of you Denis, hence why you sent pissy little pms to me the other day.

Denerick

ilovemybrick wrote: »

I think you care a great deal what people think of you Denis, hence why you sent pissy little pms to me the other day.

Maybe because I wanted to know how you could access my personal details? Maybe because you essentially threatened me? Is that so unreasonable?

ilovemybrick

Denerick wrote: »

Maybe because I wanted to know how you could access my personal details? Maybe because you essentially threatened me? Is that so unreasonable?

Sorry, my lunchbreak is over, I'm getting back to work now.

Denerick

ilovemybrick wrote: »

Sorry, my lunchbreak is over, I'm getting back to work now.

And you call me a troll. Bullybeef. Keep your e-penis off this thread.

ilovemybrick

Denerick wrote: »

And you call me a troll. Bullybeef. Keep your e-penis off this thread.

Child, the difference is I know what I am talking about when I speak about the Student Union, you however do not. Calm down, and disagree and argue all you want, I do not understand why you cannot be civil.

Denerick

ilovemybrick wrote: »

Child, the difference is I know what I am talking about when I speak about the Student Union, you however do not. Calm down, and disagree and argue all you want, I do not understand why you cannot be civil.

You are a bully and a self important prig, layered with excessive self righteousness. I never mention anyone by name (With exception to you and Higginson), I only ever slate the institution, not the man. But if you're willing to have a go at me, I'm more than happy to reciprocate.

Mark200

Denerick wrote: »

You are a bully and a self important prig, layered with excessive self righteousness.

Ironic