Garda to begin 'withdrawal of goodwill'

Angry_CS

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Never said you didn't do any work.

I'll say it even slower.... the country can't afford the current public service pay and pension bill based on tax income.

The economy cannot afford to raise taxes to bridge the gap.

They are currently borrowing 20m a week to pay you and your colleagues.

They cannot print the money so, what is the obvious way to try to address the problem.


Answers on a 55c stamp.

maybe, and only maybe we should look at 20 year old lads getting rent allowance for apartments and why the dole is 3 times higher than it is in the north.

Zambia

Cursai I finished shift about an hour ago and wore pretty much everything you mentioned and a lot more on said luggage belt.

If I wanted I could wear stab vest but I would suffer from the heat quicker. I find you comment not very well informed.

Alexsmart is right about the Phone mast deal I believe that that erections(dont start:rolleyes:) on a Gardai site do not require planning permisson hence O2 could shoot up Masts all over ireland in no time. I know the guy who was meant to have brokered the deal, it was genuis for a emeraging network. What the deal was regarding free phones I wont say as its all rumour.

In relation to the use of phones if an officer needs to talk to the control room he/she can always request the control room ring them. If they need to talk to each other quickly well its their choice to use their mobiles. Despite what any of these garda say, they will not stop doing things that make their life easier.

Pah said it very well he wants to be a Guard he enjoys the Job, others dont. each to their own.

Personnally I feel risk does not factor in the equation of Pay. It does factor in the provision of risk limitation expenditure. There are member's of the Garda reserve taking the risk every night for no money whatsoever. So Why should we pay Garda members more for risk when we have people who would do the job for free?

As for the comment about knowing nobody asked to take a pay cut in the Private sector (In ireland) I know at least 30 I can name.

Sadly for the gardai they for the most part needles , scumbags, bites, knives and all love their job you could cut their pay by a lot more than is proposed and they would stay in it. Put them in a 6x6 cubicles answering calls for the same money and they would resign in the morning.

pah

Zambia232 wrote: »

Cursai I finished shift about an hour ago and wore pretty much everything you mentioned and a lot more on said luggage belt.

1 Handheld Radio, 1 OC Spray, 1 ASP, 1 Pouch (Gloves, Alcohol Wipes) 2 Pairs Handcuffs, 1 Mobile Phone Pouch.....

Zambia232 wrote: »

There are member's of the Garda reserve taking the risk every night for no money whatsoever. So Why should we pay Garda members more for risk when we have people who would do the job for free?

No Offence but the Garda Reserve do absolutely nothing along the line of work that regular members do and would not in a Million years do our job Full Time for nothing. The Reserve is a PR Beat Walking waste of time IMHO

Zambia

pah wrote: »

1 Handheld Radio, 1 OC Spray, 1 ASP, 1 Pouch (Gloves, Alcohol Wipes) 2 Pairs Handcuffs, 1 Mobile Phone Pouch.....

all that
- 1 handcuffs
- Alcohol wipes
+ Utility Tool
+ Spare Mag
+ Firearm
+ Light Source
+ Back up Light Source

I probably carry the least amount of gear on my roster

pah wrote: »

No Offence but the Garda Reserve do absolutely nothing along the line of work that regular members do and would not in a Million years do our job Full Time for nothing. The Reserve is a PR Beat Walking waste of time IMHO

True my piont was in regards to the risk, they are prepared to run the risk for nothing part time. It was a stroke of genuis on the part of the goverment, free policemen who could turn that down??

TheNog

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Then we will have to reduce our standard of living.

We already have reduced our standard of living. With the levies and cutbacks in everything, my wages are down about 1/3 from 2 yrs ago.

How much more am I expected to have taken from me?

pah

TheNog wrote: »

We already have reduced our standard of living. With the levies and cutbacks in everything, my wages are down about 1/3 from 2 yrs ago.

How much more am I expected to have taken from me?

2/3

jonsnow

pah wrote: »

No Offence but the Garda Reserve do absolutely nothing along the line of work that regular members do and would not in a Million years do our job Full Time for nothing. The Reserve is a PR Beat Walking waste of time IMHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixTS7QdkFbs

rasper

Th Gardai are very well compensated in the jobs here, in comparison to their colleagues in the UK and on the continent. Use your phones and laptops or don't just shut up whining about it in your safe, secure, unsackable , over paid jobs

irishh_bob

TheNog wrote: »

We already have reduced our standard of living. With the levies and cutbacks in everything, my wages are down about 1/3 from 2 yrs ago.

How much more am I expected to have taken from me?

forgive me for not believing you that your wages are down 33% on two years ago

pah

rasper wrote: »

Th Gardai are very well compensated in the jobs here, in comparison to their colleagues in the UK and on the continent. Use your phones and laptops or don't just shut up whining about it in your safe, secure, unsackable , over paid jobs

jealous much?

FlutterinBantam

TheNog wrote: »

We already have reduced our standard of living. With the levies and cutbacks in everything, my wages are down about 1/3 from 2 yrs ago.

How much more am I expected to have taken from me?

As much as the state can afford, or unfortunately let you go.

murf313

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

As much as the state can afford, or unfortunately let you go.

ah right i didnt know it was that simple.

government: sorry mr. garda but we can only afford to pay you a 1/4 of what you where on. but sure hey im sure you dont mind cos you have a super duper gold plated pension and we cant sack you.

get off your high horse

noclue1

Apply Within: www.garda.ie

Highest average weekly earnings in the public sector
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

Job For Life (if i averaged 16 sick days every year, i'd be sacked)
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/rural-gardai-taking-twice-as-many-sick-days-as-city-officers-2052066.html

Retire Early(@50 -if you have 30yrs OR at the very latest 60)
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Pension (rolls-royce,actuarial cost multiples of whats paid in by members)
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Index linked
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Requirements:

18-35 years age

A very bare pass in the leaving cert
or
The Merit Grade in the Applied Leaving Certificate
http://tinyurl.com/yd8y55q
The above should help you get your 30years by 50, sure why bother with college and all that crap, get in early and get out early. It might explain the 19 yr old kids swimming in Garda uniforms i see regulary

A couple of assessement rounds

18 months "training"


Use your phones if you have to and stop moanin

pah

NoClue I can feel the disdain you have for the Gardaí jumping of the screen at me. There are a huge amount of threads on here about injustices in pay and you're only posting in this one.

I don't see you complaining about prison officers pay which is only €11p.w. behind garda pay.

Also you never answered my question why you snipped off the end of the CSO table with figures excluding overtime. You never told me what you do for a living either

noclue1

Apply Within: www.garda.ie

Highest average weekly earnings in the public sector
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

Job For Life (if i averaged 16 sick days every year, i'd be sacked)
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/rural-gardai-taking-twice-as-many-sick-days-as-city-officers-2052066.html

Retire Early(@50 -if you have 30yrs OR at the very latest 60)
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Pension (rolls-royce,actuarial cost multiples of whats paid in by members)
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Index linked
http://www.gra.cc/pensions.shtml

Requirements:

18-35 years age

A very bare pass in the leaving cert
or
The Merit Grade in the Applied Leaving Certificate
http://tinyurl.com/yd8y55q
The above should help you get your 30years by 50, sure why bother with college and all that crap, get in early and get out early. It might explain the 19 yr old kids swimming in Garda uniforms i see regulary

A couple of assessement rounds

18 months "training"


Use your phones if you have to and stop moanin

pah wrote: »

I don't see you complaining about prison officers pay which is only €11p.w. behind garda pay.

On the contrary i think they are more overpaid than the gardai

Also you never answered my question why you snipped off the end of the CSO table with figures excluding overtime.

Full table is in the link see above, look closer

pah

not gonna tell me what you do then? Fair enough.

TheNog

irishh_bob wrote: »

forgive me for not believing you that your wages are down 33% on two years ago

It doesnt matter to me if you believe me or not. I think I have made enough contributions to this forum for posters to trust me.

I still stand by what I have said because it is the truth.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

As much as the state can afford, or unfortunately let you go.

Letting me go? Where would members of the public be if Gardai were let go? 5-6 years ago the Government were forced to ramp up the numbers of Gardai after much publication of rising crime figures from 13,000 to 15,000. In the last year or two the number of Gardai has fallen dramatically to about 14,000 even though crime is more prevalent and is predicted to get worse.

Our frontline resources have been reduced massively. Basic equipment such as cars are falling apart. The car in my station is the main car in the entire district is at 300,000kms and is spending almost as much time in the garage as it does on the road and this is the same car that responds to all major incidents in a district that is 40 miles long and 30 miles wide. Back up cars that are available are 1.4L Focus' which quite simply are not up to the task of proper policing.

Seth Brundle

@ TheNog - surely there isn't that much crime in the Monastary of Midget Monks

Zambia

TheNog wrote: »

Our frontline resources have been reduced massively. Basic equipment such as cars are falling apart. The car in my station is the main car in the entire district is at 300,000kms and is spending almost as much time in the garage as it does on the road and this is the same car that responds to all major incidents in a district that is 40 miles long and 30 miles wide. Back up cars that are available are 1.4L Focus' which quite simply are not up to the task of proper policing.

Jesus...:eek:

Imagine the thread in a few years when Garda members threaten to stop using their own vehicles on Call outs.

pah

Zambia232 wrote: »

Jesus...:eek:

Imagine the thread in a few years when Garda members threaten to stop using their own vehicles on Call outs.

lol would rather drive my own car than some of the ****e we have

Johnny Utah

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Explain me this..

When does a member of the guards need to use a personal laptop?? When they are walking up and down o'connel street?? dont think so...
Rolling around in their cars? doubt it.. At checkpoints? not a chance..

Mobile phones?? Dont they have radios?? Very good radios at that!! Why would they need a mobile.. Not for ordering their dinner.. Friend is in the business of radios/receivers.. have listened in on occasion... I can tell you what the local super's chipper order is!!!

Camers i can give them that.. they may need to take pics of an assaulted victim/accused.. broken into car etc..
But anytime guards have been up to my house for a broken into car or arrest a shoplifter in work they have never produced a camera for anything!!!!

So i can only assume the disruption on these 3 things is not going to be hugely significant... But if someone can prove me wrong on these points ill happily listen!!

TheNog wrote: »

Actually its not BS. Policing has taken a turn for the worse since your Dad and friends were in the job.



The risk is extremely small but there is still the risk. AGS would not tolerate any Garda who does not take measures to reduce that risk even further by taking medication. Also by taking the medication requires the member to take time off work becuase it knocks the **** outta you.




Laptops were used to do up investigation files.

Phones were used to pass on confidential information because the old radio system could easily be eavesdropped.



Laptops and cameras were never personal issue. Instead one or two computers would be used for files but this computer would have to be shared by many Gardai.

They shouldn't be using their own personal laptops for official work as it breaches data protection legislation.

pah

Johnny Utah wrote: »

They shouldn't be using their own personal laptops for official work as it breaches data protection legislation.

Agreed, but with such limited resources one often had no choice with a time limit on the institution of proceedings.

slimjimmc

pah wrote: »

Agreed, but with such limited resources one often had no choice with a time limit on the institution of proceedings.

Unfortunately this very admirable approach to your job lets the higher authorities off the hook, this includes politicians and Garda upper management. They probably think (read: want to think) you're given enough resources to do the job wheresas in reality you aren't. So long as performance remains acceptable they don't see the need to change anything. The Gardaí should be provided with the proper tools to do their job professionally and effeciently.

Zambia

Slim what you state is admirable but what are you suggesting every Garda gets a Lap top and Mobile?

A better approach would be some sort of tax rebate on items purchased in connection with work. Garda could use their own Laptops and Mobiles however once every three years they could claim for a lap top/Computer and Mobile up to %50 of the cost of purchase. AGS could facilitate with a online application for submitting these files so no information is stored locally on any lap top.

Example all files are written up on a application on the laptop, files are encrpyted on saving and are only able to be opened with that software.

aurelius79

Flamed Diving wrote: »

My friend is a Garda in Dublin, and they explained to me that they arrest and detain junkies on a regular basis. Many of them start bashing their head off the back of the car, once inside, because they want to get their disease-ridden blood flowing into their mouth, with the hope that they can aim it into the mouths of the Gardai. My friend said that they simply accept that some day, some junkie will succeed, and they just hope that it will not be HIV. This is one of many such stories.

In my opinion, no job matches this level of difficulty.

I'm back b*****s!

FD, normally I disagree with just about everything you say but this is spot on (even if it's not true). I worked in Abrakebabra in Temple Bar (when it was still there) and our doorman was stabbed with a syringe not once, not twice, but three times while I was working there. We had junkies break into the office downstairs one time and they stole anything they could put in their pockets. I lost a lighter my ma had given me for my 16th.

Think about what the average guard in Dublin, Limerick or Galway has to deal with on a daily basis. I dare FB to volunteer with the Garda for one week in any inner city in the country and tell me they don't deserve what they are paid.

Now on the other hand, there are probably a lot of gardai that don't deserve what they get. I live in Manorhamilton and you'd be lucky to catch sight of a garda outside the station. I'm sure they're getting paid a bit more than they should, but there are a lot more people in the public sector that we should be looking at. How about junior ministers, Senators, and TDs for a start. Then all their little helpers and PR people. The Garda should be one of the last ones taking cuts along with health, children and education. Seems this government is doing the exact opposite and putting more money into government offices, the courts, and the money pit that is NAMA.

Edit: As far as the phone and camera thing, the Garda should be using CB radio. Why would they be using their phones while they're working? Doesn't every station in the country have a radio system? If not then why not? The government made billions during the good years of the "Celtic Tiger". Don't tell me all we got was a leaky pool, a leaky tunnel, and an insurance liability on rails.

jimmycrackcorm

TheNog wrote: »

We already have reduced our standard of living. With the levies and cutbacks in everything, my wages are down about 1/3 from 2 yrs ago.

How much more am I expected to have taken from me?

It's all relative though isn't it? It could be validly argued that the Public Service was overpaid by a third in the first place so it's now a good benchmark to make cuts.

sceptre

pah wrote: »

You never told me what you do for a living either

pah wrote: »

not gonna tell me what you do then? Fair enough.

Although I can't see your original request for this information from the other forum member, this isn't a request that anyone posting on the Politics forum is required to comply with. What's our business is our business and what isn't our business is none of our business. Forum members are entitled to put whatever their view is on the table without having to disclose how they earn their money. If they choose to disclose this information where they see it as relevant to do so, that's their choice. Indeed the boards privacy statement advises people not to disclose any personal information they wish not to be known and that's reasonable advice. That's the way it is, should be and will remain. Kindly respect the reasonable privacy of other forum members where they choose to retain it rather than repeatedly asking for such information or pointing out that it hasn't been offered on request. It makes it look like harassment, even though I'm sure that that's not anywhere near what you're trying to do. Let it go please.

/mod



I of course am a professional jewel thief. Always have been. Except on Fridays when I ironically fight crime wearing a jewel-encrusted cape.

pah

roger

slimjimmc

Zambia232 wrote: »

Slim what you state is admirable but what are you suggesting every Garda gets a Lap top and Mobile?

If that's what they need to do their job more efficiently then yes. If they can function adequately by sharing a laptop or desktop computer then there is no need for 'one for everyone in the audience'.

Zambia232 wrote: »

A better approach would be some sort of tax rebate on items purchased in connection with work. Garda could use their own Laptops and Mobiles however once every three years they could claim for a lap top/Computer and Mobile up to %50 of the cost of purchase. AGS could facilitate with a online application for submitting these files so no information is stored locally on any lap top.

Example all files are written up on a application on the laptop, files are encrpyted on saving and are only able to be opened with that software.

I think a better approach would be to treat laptops, like many corporations do, as work tools and nothing else. They should be issued preconfigured with the necessary software, full disk encryption, endpoint security, and OS security lockdowns (minimum rights approach). Users should be granted minimal administrator privileges and should not be able to install unauthorised software. This is not simply to be awkward, it improves security. By not allowing users install their own stuff you are reducing the risk of malware, keyloggers, etc which might cause sensitive confidential being leaked unknowingly. Likewise endpoint security should prevent saving data to unencrypted USB keys which are another major security risk. All this costs money, it's not cheap, but it's the way it should be done.

Essexboy

The PSNI the force most like An Garda Siochana do not need to use private equipment: why?