Garda to begin 'withdrawal of goodwill'

Stark

I didn't say it was okay for junkies to spit at Gardaí but it's not clear what the Gardaí are actually looking for. If it is extra pay and conditions, then how much is the "spit premium" that they're looking for?

Flamed Diving

Stark wrote: »

The spit would also have to land directly into an open cut for there to be any chance of transmission.

In any case, face masks would be a cheaper solution than an indefinite "danger premium".

I think people seem to be struggling to get my point. Perhaps this is my fault for not relaying it properly. I think that being a Garda in Dublin is a dangerous job, where you are the subject of constant abuse, and which doesn't end when you take your hat off, in the evening. Whether or not you can get HIV from the spit is irrelevant, so how about this to appease who it troubles? You cannot get HIV from people spitting blood at you. Just scrub that point from the record. However, I still do not envy the person who must go to work everyday, knowing that they must deal with such sub-humans.

MagicSean

Stark wrote: »

The spit would also have to land directly into an open cut for there to be any chance of transmission.

In any case, face masks would be a cheaper solution than an indefinite "danger premium".

Not for hep B. Doesnt that travel through saliva?

Do you really want a masked police force?

Stark

It makes no odds to me whether the Gardaí wear masks or not. I would have thought if there is a genuine danger, such as junkie spit getting in one's mouth, then the necessary protective equipment should be provided.

FlutterinBantam

murf313 wrote: »

basically you are becoming tiresome..... same speel post after post. you have the biggest chip on your shoulder ever. are you sure your not jimmmy?

How about rebutting the points I have made instead of launching a personal attack.


If I said anything untrue in that post ,please tell me. :cool:

murf313

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

How about rebutting the points I have made instead of launching a personal attack.


If I said anything untrue in that post ,please tell me. :cool:

that wasnt a personal attack... sorry if it sounded as such.

gold plated pensions, the fact you said the entire ps were whinging and the fact the entire public service has taken a pay cut- not the case with the private sector!

as usual this will be ignored, but i dont know 1 person in the private sector who has taken a paycut!

TheNog

Stark wrote: »

The spit would also have to land directly into an open cut for there to be any chance of transmission.

In any case, face masks would be a cheaper solution than an indefinite "danger premium".

Stark wrote: »

I didn't say it was okay for junkies to spit at Gardaí but it's not clear what the Gardaí are actually looking for. If it is extra pay and conditions, then how much is the "spit premium" that they're looking for?

Stark wrote: »

It makes no odds to me whether the Gardaí wear masks or not. I would have thought if there is a genuine danger, such as junkie spit getting in one's mouth, then the necessary protective equipment should be provided.

Are you for real? Have you fully thought out a scenario of a possible junkie getting violent and being restrained? Should Gardai tell that junkie to pause for a few seconds while PPE is put on?

C'mon Stark seriously

FlutterinBantam

murf313 wrote: »

that wasnt a personal attack... sorry if it sounded as such.

gold plated pensions, the fact you said the entire ps were whinging and the fact the entire public service has taken a pay cut- not the case with the private sector!

as usual this will be ignored, but i dont know 1 person in the private sector who has taken a paycut!

Laddie you need to get out a bit more.

I'll say it slowly... 56m out 36 m in... no room to increase taxes.

Now tell me what you would do?

Flamed Diving

Sorry, but is this an argument on the level of?

'Hey, I know you might get stabbed while on the job, but here is a stab vest. Now your job is no different to an office worker.'

Boston

TheNog wrote: »

Are you for real? Have you fully thought out a scenario of a possible junkie getting violent and being restrained? Should Gardai tell that junkie to pause for a few seconds while PPE is put on?

C'mon Stark seriously

It's standard garda procedure for members to put on latex gloves while dealing with junkies. They manage to do that, why not a mask. That said a mask would make it rather difficult to talk.

murf313

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Laddie you need to get out a bit more.

I'll say it slowly... 56m out 36 m in... no room to increase taxes.

Now tell me what you would do?

i would get out more only im usually working 12hr shifts at weekends. oh wait, im in the public sector i dont do any work do i???

you can say it slowly all you want, i still dont care...........

pah

Stark wrote: »

I didn't say it was okay for junkies to spit at Gardaí but it's not clear what the Gardaí are actually looking for. If it is extra pay and conditions, then how much is the "spit premium" that they're looking for?

Please :rolleyes: - Gardaí are not looking for extra pay and conditions as you put it. The GRA are acting to try and preserve them. They are our representative body and they are addressing the issue of paycuts being imposed. They wouldn't be representing us if they didn't. I think everyone knows paycuts won't be reversed but what they will do now is campaign to try and prevent anymore.

pah

Boston wrote: »

It's standard garda procedure for members to put on latex gloves while dealing with junkies. They manage to do that, why not a mask. That said a mask would make it rather difficult to talk.

He was talking about someone kicking off and being violent. There are no gloves put on either when that happens. It's best practice to wear the latex gloves when searching anybody, junkie or not

AlekSmart

Am I mistaken totally or was there an agreement reached some years ago now (Haughey era perhaps?) whereby Gardai recieved some form of mobile telephone benefit in return for the Dept of Justice giving Esat or somesuch the sole right to erect masts on Garda Stations and barracks countrywide..?

FlutterinBantam

murf313 wrote: »

i would get out more only im usually working 12hr shifts at weekends. oh wait, im in the public sector i dont do any work do i???

you can say it slowly all you want, i still dont care...........

Never said you didn't do any work.

I'll say it even slower.... the country can't afford the current public service pay and pension bill based on tax income.

The economy cannot afford to raise taxes to bridge the gap.

They are currently borrowing 20m a week to pay you and your colleagues.

They cannot print the money so, what is the obvious way to try to address the problem.


Answers on a 55c stamp.

GuanYin

Moderation Post

FlutterinBantam and murf313, if you can't be civil to each other and debate without snide remarks and insinuations about each other, I'll remove you both from the forum and you can settle your debate by PM.

GY

pah

AlekSmart wrote: »

Am I mistaken totally or was there an agreement reached some years ago now (Haughey era perhaps?) whereby Gardai recieved some form of mobile telephone benefit in return for the Dept of Justice giving Esat or somesuch the sole right to erect masts on Garda Stations and barracks countrywide..?

No idea but haughey retired 1992, not many mobiles around back then

cursai

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry (no offence to thickos from kerry meant)

I like Ixoy's idea, give the guards proper laptops, work mobiles etc and cut some of their expenses, that would seem like a logical idea....which is probably why it isn't happening in the PS

And what are you. A well educated person from Dublin. Give up your ignorance.

murf313

fair enough mods.

flutterinbantam- if we dont act now to preserve current pay (which is after paycuts), where will they stop? if you were in our position you would be doing the same, no doubt about it

dolby

AlekSmart wrote: »

Am I mistaken totally or was there an agreement reached some years ago now (Haughey era perhaps?) whereby Gardai recieved some form of mobile telephone benefit in return for the Dept of Justice giving Esat or somesuch the sole right to erect masts on Garda Stations and barracks countrywide..?

You are correct however I thing it was 1996/97, I believe it was to erect phone masts in most Garda stations and esat would give free phone/bills to every Garda but they(state) only gave free phones to ranking members dont no why! but could give a few guesses:rolleyes::rolleyes:

TheNog

Boston wrote: »

It's standard garda procedure for members to put on latex gloves while dealing with junkies. They manage to do that, why not a mask. That said a mask would make it rather difficult to talk.

Because not all scenarios will slowly build up to violence. Sometimes a situation can be violent from the off and there is no time to put on a mask or even gloves. These types of scenarios would assault on Gardai.

If we take what other ES are faced where PPE is required such as FB or paramedics. The fire is not going anywhere for the FB folks and usually, neither is a patient going anywhere fast for paramedics.

AlekSmart wrote: »

Am I mistaken totally or was there an agreement reached some years ago now (Haughey era perhaps?) whereby Gardai recieved some form of mobile telephone benefit in return for the Dept of Justice giving Esat or somesuch the sole right to erect masts on Garda Stations and barracks countrywide..?

There were and in some cases still are state mobile phones from O2 (afair) but in many cases when they were lost or broken, they werent replaced despite repeated requests.

Anyways communication via mobile phone is very limited in its capacity.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Never said you didn't do any work.

I'll say it even slower.... the country can't afford the current public service pay and pension bill based on tax income.

The economy cannot afford to raise taxes to bridge the gap.

They are currently borrowing 20m a week to pay you and your colleagues.

They cannot print the money so, what is the obvious way to try to address the problem.


Answers on a 55c stamp.

The answers were pay cuts and cuts in resources which have already have been done for all employees in the Public/Civil service. Current measures being taken by Gardai are to ensure no further cuts in pay and conditions. We cannot afford to take any more cuts in pay. Same as private sector cannot take any increase in taxes or those on welfare cannot take anymore cuts either.

FlutterinBantam

Then we will have to reduce our standard of living.

cursai

Boston wrote: »

It's standard garda procedure for members to put on latex gloves while dealing with junkies. They manage to do that, why not a mask. That said a mask would make it rather difficult to talk.

???? are people this naive. how can a person have enough room on themselves to carry a supplement of face masks. they'll be going around like clowns. remember all the other equipment they have to carry like. like heavy bulky, ill fitting stab vest that are hand me downs from the English police. a belt that is as thick as luggage strap on. a personal radio, handcuffs, a baton, notebook, mobile phone and that silly hat.

You'd be fecked before getting out of the station.

And after working long shifts and just because these things are issued doesn't mean they'll always be accessible to get. All these things are supposed to make a Gards jobs equal or comparable to a job in the private sector, dont be a monkey. theres nothing to compare to it.

In the real world outside of the world most people are kept by the Gardai, these men and women have to live and work with the scum you don't want think about except to read about with shock and horror in the Daily rags.

Grow up.

Dont begrudge these people cause there jobs are harder than yours, applaude them

AlekSmart

You are correct however I thing it was 1996/97, I believe it was to erect phone masts in most Garda stations and esat would give free phone/bills to every Garda but they(state) only gave free phones to ranking members dont no why! but could give a few guesses

Thank`s dolby,i`m not senile yet....however as the Nog adds to our understanding of what should still be an enforceable deal...

There were and in some cases still are state mobile phones from O2 (afair) but in many cases when they were lost or broken, they werent replaced despite repeated requests.

Is/was this a Denis O Brien production ?

I would have thought that such a business arrangement would have been operated in a professional manner and not simply fall into disrepair in the manner of the Country itself....?

pah

cursai wrote: »

???? are people this naive. how can a person have enough room on themselves to carry a supplement of face masks. they'll be going around like clowns. remember all the other equipment they have to carry like. like heavy bulky, ill fitting stab vest that are hand me downs from the English police. a belt that is as thick as luggage strap on. a personal radio, handcuffs, a baton, notebook, mobile phone and that silly hat.

You'd be fecked before getting out of the station.

And after working long shifts and just because these things are issued doesn't mean they'll always be accessible to get. All these things are supposed to make a Gards jobs equal or comparable to a job in the private sector, dont be a monkey. theres nothing to compare to it.

In the real world outside of the world most people are kept by the Gardai, these men and women have to live and work with the scum you don't want think about except to read about with shock and horror in the Daily rags.

Grow up.

Dont begrudge these people cause there jobs are harder than yours, applaude them

I agree mostly but I would say our job has harder aspects such as shifts and everything mentioned in above posts which happen day after day around the country.

Personally I would find it harder to sit in a 6x6 cardboard prefab office space crunching numbers. I'd go off my game!! Which is one of the reasons I opted for the Gardaí as a career.

While I don't enjoy being spat at or abused I do enjoy telling the judge all about it

pah

AlekSmart wrote: »

I would have thought that such a business arrangement would have been operated in a professional manner and not simply fall into disrepair in the manner of the Country itself....?

LOL professional. There's nothing professional about how most of this country is run. I wouldn't have expected anything less.

cursai

"I agree mostly but I would say our job has harder aspects such as shifts and everything mentioned in above posts which happen day after day around the country.

Personally I would find it harder to sit in a 6x6 cardboard prefab office space crunching numbers. I'd go off my game!! Which is one of the reasons I opted for the Gardaí as a career.

While I don't enjoy being spat at or abused I do enjoy telling the judge all about it"



Ha Ha. You have to laugh! i'd give my day off to go court just to vent that kind of frustration to a judge and let him screw the guy. Even if he does get out three days later due to overcrowding.

dolby

AlekSmart wrote: »

Thank`s dolby,i`m not senile yet....however as the Nog adds to our understanding of what should still be an enforceable deal...



Is/was this a Denis O Brien production ?

I would have thought that such a business arrangement would have been operated in a professional manner and not simply fall into disrepair in the manner of the Country itself....?

The phones which had been offered would have been personal issue and would not have replaced the radio system just an aid. How much are 02 saving putting masts in the 600 Garda stations around the country, another health hazard. :rolleyes: eyes up again!!

MagicSean

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry (no offence to thickos from kerry meant)

I like Ixoy's idea, give the guards proper laptops, work mobiles etc and cut some of their expenses, that would seem like a logical idea....which is probably why it isn't happening in the PS

Have you met many gardaí? Doesn't sound like it.

Poccington

cursai wrote: »

???? are people this naive. how can a person have enough room on themselves to carry a supplement of face masks. they'll be going around like clowns. remember all the other equipment they have to carry like. like heavy bulky, ill fitting stab vest that are hand me downs from the English police. a belt that is as thick as luggage strap on. a personal radio, handcuffs, a baton, notebook, mobile phone and that silly hat.

You'd be fecked before getting out of the station.

To be quite honest, if a member of the GS finds it in any way difficult or physically taxing to wear and carry the above kit there's something very wrong going on.