Garda to begin 'withdrawal of goodwill'

Sir Oxman

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0322/breaking4.html

Do they really have to use their own mobiles, laptops and cameras in doing their jobs?

Besides being very odd that they use their own items, would that not be a bit dodgy re: confidentiality etc

Seth Brundle

gambiaman wrote: »

Do they really have to use their own mobiles, laptops and cameras in doing their jobs?

Yes as the Govt don't supply then with enough.

gambiaman wrote: »

Besides being very odd that they use their own items, would that not be a bit dodgy re: confidentiality etc

Most probably

Its down to a lack of budget and has been like this for a ong time.

Sir Oxman

kbannon wrote: »

Yes as the Govt don't supply then with enough.
Most probably

Its down to a lack of budget and has been like this for a ong time.

That's shocking - through the pretend good times, our Guards hadn't enough funding.
What a kip!

FlutterinBantam

'Withdrawal of Goodwill':eek:

Time they withdrew their cocks from the taxpayers arses in my opinion.

:mad::mad:

ixoy

See that's an area ripe for reform - cut the pay perhaps but, in turn, provide the Gardai with mobiles and cameras required for their job. It could hardly cost that much right? I'm assuming, as it is, they can charge some phone calls against expense accounts.

FGR

Gardaí cannot claim for work related calls from their personal mobiles, I'm afraid.

Seth Brundle

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

'Withdrawal of Goodwill':eek:

Time they withdrew their cocks from the taxpayers arses in my opinion.

:mad::mad:

How in your view are their cocks in the taxpayers arses?
In fairness, they may be paid relatively well once they have completed training. However, would you volunteer to do the crappy jobs they do? Would you be as tactful telling a family that a member of their family was killed, etc.?

Boston

ixoy wrote: »

See that's an area ripe for reform - cut the pay perhaps but, in turn, provide the Gardai with mobiles and cameras required for their job. It could hardly cost that much right? I'm assuming, as it is, they can charge some phone calls against expense accounts.

The garda tetra system was up to recently (might well still be) a complete joke. Poor coverage and insecure. It's the reason they started using mobile phones which afair they're not officially allowed to use.

FlutterinBantam

kbannon wrote: »

How in your view are their cocks in the taxpayers arses?
In fairness, they may be paid relatively well once they have completed training. However, would you volunteer to do the crappy jobs they do? Would you be as tactful telling a family that a member of their family was killed, etc.?

Very simple, they can retire early on FULL PENSION-INDEX LINKED

What does that mean Flutt, you may well ask.?

Means that any pay increases an equivalent grade gets they get percentage of it too.

What would that cost in the Private sector Flutt?

Kings ransom my friend, that's what it would cost.

Of course it's a difficult and ofter thankless and harrowing job, but they don't have total ownership of those conditions.


Time people woke up to these myths and called a spade a spade.

The gardaí are reasonably well paid, have a pension that nobody in the private sector could afford if actuarily computed.

Do your job and stop trying to con JOHN Q TAXPAYER

Boston

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Very simple, they can retire early on FULL PENSION-INDEX LINKED

What does that mean Flutt, you may well ask.?

Means that any pay increases an equivalent grade gets they get percentage of it too.

What would that cost in the Private sector Flutt?

Kings ransom my friend, that's what it would cost.

Of course it's a difficult and ofter thankless and harrowing job, but they don't have total ownership of those conditions.


Time people woke up to these myths and called a spade a spade.

The gardaí are reasonably well paid, have a pension that nobody in the private sector could afford if actuarily computed.

Do your job and stop trying to con JOHN Q TAXPAYER

Sounds deadly Flutt, why aren't you a garda?

FlutterinBantam

Not cut out for it, but seriously.

They do a difficult job, but so do others, and they are not badly off by most standards.

This whinging by PS people on comparatively good wages, in practically unsackable positions is frankly getting tiresome.

They have certainty of tenure, certainty of a defined benefit gold plated pension,whilst a lot of people in the Pvt. sector are redundant/on shrt weeks/have had their pay and conditions savaged whilst paying for a much less certain pension.

Surely they don't think they are fooling the taxpayer with this nonsense.

I'm surprised if they have you fooled Boston.

You are a smarter cookie than that I would opine.

Boston

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Not cut out for it, but seriously.

So what you're saying is that they have some skills or aptitude which you don't have and couldn't obtain. It's probably fair to say most people aren't cut out for it. As a private sector employee you should be well accustomed to people with rare abilities being paid more. Yes gardai get paid more then other civil servants, along with all the perks. But it's a lot harder to replace a garda officer then it is to replace a clerical officer, not least because a garda officer has to be trained for two years in Ireland whereas the likes of teachers, nurses, paper shufflers ect can come from anywhere through a variety of different routes.

Anyway, just like the prison officers, the real issue is overtime pay and the simple solution is better management of resources.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Boston wrote: »

Sounds deadly Flutt, why aren't you a garda?

Maybe he is?!

alexlyons

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Time they withdrew their cocks from the taxpayers arses in my opinion.

kbannon wrote: »

Would you be as tactful telling a family that a member of their family was killed?

with that quote? not a chance

Boston

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Maybe he is?!

Did you read any of his posts? "They" vs "We"

molloyjazz

Well it just makes a old Corruption alot easier!

bryaner

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Very simple, they can retire early on FULL PENSION-INDEX LINKED

What does that mean Flutt, you may well ask.?

Means that any pay increases an equivalent grade gets they get percentage of it too.

What would that cost in the Private sector Flutt?

Kings ransom my friend, that's what it would cost.

Of course it's a difficult and ofter thankless and harrowing job, but they don't have total ownership of those conditions.


Time people woke up to these myths and called a spade a spade.

The gardaí are reasonably well paid, have a pension that nobody in the private sector could afford if actuarily computed.

Do your job and stop trying to con JOHN Q TAXPAYER

Maybe you should get a job as a Guard so

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Boston wrote: »

Did you read any of his posts? "They" vs "We"

Ye-ahhh.... classic deception, my friend...

BlaasForRafa

Boston wrote: »

So what you're saying is that they have some skills or aptitude which you don't have and couldn't obtain. It's probably fair to say most people aren't cut out for it.

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry (no offence to thickos from kerry meant)

I like Ixoy's idea, give the guards proper laptops, work mobiles etc and cut some of their expenses, that would seem like a logical idea....which is probably why it isn't happening in the PS

Laminations

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry

They are not so thick as to miss the concept of cause and effect.
They dont do their jobs, risk their lives in many cases out of an innate duty to the country, perhaps this is part of it but i'd bet they do their job for the money. And if you reduce the money they reduce the service. Its funny that for the majority of the PS they agreed to work for certain pay and are now being asked to take cuts in light of there being no money but on the other end we have NAMA whose board agreed a salary but are now getting pay rises? And people are here complaining about gardai?

Zambia

Im sorry can we confirm are some posters here in favour of giving every Serving Garda a Mobile phone?

Because that's just nuts.

Pygmalion

Zambia232 wrote: »

Im sorry can we confirm are some posters here in favour of giving every Serving Garda a Mobile phone?

Because that's just nuts.

The issue brought up wasn't whether they should be given one, but that they're expected to use their personal ones for Garda work.

As for whether it's nuts, I personally amn't sure I see the need for them to have mobiles on the job as they seem to communicate a lot by walkie-talkie, but I'll bite anyway.
Phones aren't that expensive if you keep in mind that the Gardaí wouldn't need a MP3 player, radio, support for external memory cards or whatever it is most phones have these days.
If they said "right we need a supplier for incredibly basic phones with only X, Y and Z features" they could probably get them massively cheap as long as they buy in bulk.

I mean yeah, spending no money at all is better than spending a small amount if you're looking at it from just that point of view, but if it can help increase their effectiveness it should be considered.
And to seriously consider whether or not it would be worth the cost would take a lot more information than what any of us have (apologies if someone reading this has access to a lot more information than I'd anticipated :P).

pah

Boston wrote: »

The garda tetra system was up to recently (might well still be) a complete joke. Poor coverage and insecure. It's the reason they started using mobile phones which afair they're not officially allowed to use.

The radio system as it stands is not very secure but tetra is being rolled out nationally and will be fully running shortly removing the need for mobile phone use on duty anyway as tetra is a gsm based radio system. Gardai had to use their mobiles due to bad coverage and security issues.

This is being referred to as a withdrawal of good will as members were using their own equipment to assist in their working duties regularly on a goodwill basis. The anger coming from this is more than just paycuts and levies it's also about being under resourced with vehicles, equipment and numbers from the recruitment freeze.

pah

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry (no offence to thickos from kerry meant)

have you met any (insert occupation) a lot of them are just thickos from (insert location)

that's not contributing much to the topic on discussion and is wholly irrelevant

pah

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Very simple, they can retire early on FULL PENSION-INDEX LINKED

What does that mean Flutt, you may well ask.?

Means that any pay increases an equivalent grade gets they get percentage of it too.

What would that cost in the Private sector Flutt?

Kings ransom my friend, that's what it would cost.

Of course it's a difficult and ofter thankless and harrowing job, but they don't have total ownership of those conditions.


Time people woke up to these myths and called a spade a spade.

The gardaí are reasonably well paid, have a pension that nobody in the private sector could afford if actuarily computed.

Do your job and stop trying to con JOHN Q TAXPAYER

again i'm not opposed to the cuts to help restore the public finances but i don't think they're being implemented fairly across the board.

Pay increases also mean that contributions to the pension are also increased.

I am also john q taxpayer

TheNog

Boston wrote: »

The garda tetra system was up to recently (might well still be) a complete joke. Poor coverage and insecure. It's the reason they started using mobile phones which afair they're not officially allowed to use.

That is the old analogue radio system you are thinking of which is still in existance throughout much of the country. Tetra is being rolled out nationwide and is a secure network

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

The gardaí are reasonably well paid, have a pension that nobody in the private sector could afford if actuarily computed.

Do your job and stop trying to con JOHN Q TAXPAYER

But we are doing our job, there is no change other than the withdrawal of our own equipment. I am no longer forking out a few hundred euro to buy a laptop just for work nor am I paying 20-30 euro a month to my mobile provider for work related calls. I dont see where the con of the John Q Taxpayer is.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Have you met many guards? A lot of them are just thickos from kerry (no offence to thickos from kerry meant)

Many Gardai have third level qualifications before joining so no alot of us are not thickos

pah

there is also a BA in Policing Studies awarded by HETAC after graduating from Templemore. well over 2/3 of my class had degrees before going in.

Dannyboy83

Mobile phones are a relatively new phenomenon, how did they cope before the mobile phones?

Flamed Diving

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Not cut out for it, but seriously.

They do a difficult job, but so do others, and they are not badly off by most standards.

This whinging by PS people on comparatively good wages, in practically unsackable positions is frankly getting tiresome.

They have certainty of tenure, certainty of a defined benefit gold plated pension,whilst a lot of people in the Pvt. sector are redundant/on shrt weeks/have had their pay and conditions savaged whilst paying for a much less certain pension.

Surely they don't think they are fooling the taxpayer with this nonsense.

I'm surprised if they have you fooled Boston.

You are a smarter cookie than that I would opine.

My friend is a Garda in Dublin, and they explained to me that they arrest and detain junkies on a regular basis. Many of them start bashing their head off the back of the car, once inside, because they want to get their disease-ridden blood flowing into their mouth, with the hope that they can aim it into the mouths of the Gardai. My friend said that they simply accept that some day, some junkie will succeed, and they just hope that it will not be HIV. This is one of many such stories.

In my opinion, no job matches this level of difficulty.

Fuhrer

Flamed Diving wrote: »

My friend is a Garda in Dublin, and they explained to me that they arrest and detain junkies on a regular basis. Many of them start bashing their head off the back of the car, once inside, because they want to get their disease-ridden blood flowing into their mouth, with the hope that they can aim it into the mouths of the Gardai. My friend said that they simply accept that some day, some junkie will succeed, and they just hope that it will not be HIV. This is one of many such stories.

In my opinion, no job matches this level of difficulty.

Anyone smell that?


Smells like bull...

Flamed Diving

Fuhrer wrote: »

Anyone smell that?


Smells like bull...

If you are going to call me a liar, you may as well say it.