Gays blamed for Srebrenica defeat

Seth Brundle

Dutch government officials reacted angrily today to claims by a retired US general that Dutch forces were overrun in Srebrenica in 1995 in part because of the presence of gay soldiers.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0319/breaking29.html

I love the way he saves me the hassle of looking for an appropriate facepalm

Gone Drinking

You can't spell gay, without ay.. and those Canadian mounties do alright.

hooradiation

Oh hey, John Sheehan.

**** YOU

**** YOU to use such a disaster to your bigoted agenda, to placate Serbain warlords, to belittle your own allies. **** YOU.

flutered

hooradiation wrote: »

Oh hey, John Sheehan.

**** YOU

**** YOU to use such a disaster to your bigoted agenda, to placate Serbain warlords, to belittle your own allies. **** YOU.

hey can you restrain from using such language.

hooradiation

Not really.
The guy is trying to blame the massacre of 7,000 people on the dutch having gay people in their army.

I think **** YOU is an appropriate response and i'm not really going to be concerned if you dislike my choice in words.

minidazzler

flutered wrote: »

hey can you restrain from using such language.

Why? Sheehan is being a dick.

BennyLava

Did they user the Gay bomb?

Better not let any of the conspiracy nuts read this thread.

prinz

He forgot to mention that the lightly armed Dutch appealed for urgent air support and informed NATO that they wouldn't be able to defend the city alone.36 hours later the Dutch had to use their own airforce because nobody listened to what they were saying. Must be all the gays in NATO High Command :rolleyes: Illegitimate son of a sporting lady and a scurrilous cur.

AnonoBoy

flutered wrote: »

hey can you restrain from using such language.

Hey I don't think he can.

minidazzler

Here is a historical photo from Srebrenica.
http://www.lolhome.com/img_big/funny-picture-1141166123.jpg

Seth Brundle

Keep the language clean please!

wes

What a disgusting thing to say :mad:.

anti-venom

Must have been a hell of a lot of gay American soldiers in Vietnam......

AnonoBoy

kbannon wrote: »

Keep the language clean please!

Are we not allowed swear in After Hours any more?

mike65

**** no!

ejmaztec

I thought it was the Serbs who fucked em up the ass, not the Dutch?

hooradiation

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Are we not allowed swear in After Hours any more?

No, no, it's totally fair. I mean it's only blaming gay people for the wholesale slaughter of the men and boys of an entire town. My earlier comment was clearly out of order.

I don't know what i was getting so worked up over.....

AnonoBoy

mike65 wrote: »

**** no!

Balls to that.

prinz

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Are we not allowed swear in After Hours any more?

There's a clear line between joking about six dead babies for the lolz and using bad language, please be on the right side of it.

Dravokivich

No Greeks?

AnonoBoy

prinz wrote: »

There's a clear line between joking about six dead babies for the lolz and using bad language, please be on the right side of it.

Understood.

bonerm

He could be on to something. Apparently when the Dutch soldiers realised they were all wearing the same outfit most of them decided they had to go home to get changed.

prinz

Dravokivich wrote: »

No Greeks?

According to some reports yes there were a number of Greeks knocking about. Unfortunately they were volunteer skinheads who helped the Serbs massacre the Bosniaks.

ejmaztec

prinz wrote: »

According to some reports yes there were a number of Greeks knocking about. Unfortunately they were volunteer skinheads who helped the Serbs massacre the Bosniaks.

It was the naked Greek wrestling that distracted the Dutch.

Moriarty

I wonder if his lack of confidence extends to the pretty large and important deployment of UK forces in afghanistan and iraq? Or does it only count when it's butt pirates that you aren't reliant on?

What a pleb.

star.chaser

no way. if anything the opposite. imagine if you were a soldier on the front line and your platoon got wind that an army of poofs was approaching. i think you'd retreat pretty fast.

Dyr

Carl Levin, chairman of the US Senate's Armed Services Committee, asked: "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"

"Yes, they did. They included that as part of the problem," Mr Sheehan said, according to a webcast on the website of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

If that's the quote then it's very different from the what the oirish toimes headline implied. No idea why people are worked up about it.

Hank_Jones

Bosnian Serb forces overran lightly-armed Dutch soldiers in the United Nations-designated enclave of Srebrenica in July 1995

I wonder if it had something to do with the fact that they were badly equipped to tackle the Serb forces.

No,no, it couldn't be that.
Must be the gay soldiers.:rolleyes:

WindSock

Joke:

What do you call a Serbian prostitute?

Slobberdown Mycockubitch!

hooradiation

Bambi wrote: »

If that's the quote then it's very different from the what the oirish toimes headline implied. No idea why people are worked up about it.

The massacre in Srebrencia is a testament to how fucking toothless UN Peacekeeping forces can be, trying to blame it on gays serving in the military is disgusting.

BigDuffman

:D for the lolz

Dyr

hooradiation wrote: »

The massacre in Srebrencia is a testament to how fucking toothless UN Peacekeeping forces can be, trying to blame it on gays serving in the military is disgusting.

he didnt blame them though, he said the dutch government did

28064212

Bambi wrote: »

he didnt blame them though, he said the dutch government did

Something which the Dutch government completely denied saying

Leucifer

"Feckin Greeks! They invented gayness!"

KingLoser

Jack Sheehan and noisy bikers are f*cking fags.

karma_

You would think a US general would have known that the greatest military unit in history was comprised completely of gay couples.

Devious

Homosexuals can't swim, they attract enemy radar, they attract sharks, they nudge people when they're trying to shoot, they always insist on sitting at "The Captain's Table"... they *muck about*. Imagine... the fear... when you go to sleep with a gay man on board and think "Oh God, when I wake up, will everyone be dead?" You can't run a ship like that.

hooradiation

Bambi wrote: »

he didnt blame them though, he said the dutch government did

Yeaaaaah, I'd like a cite on that one.

expectationlost

how many men were these dutch soldiers up against, how were the serbs armed

Victor

expectationlost wrote: »

how many men were these dutch soldiers up against, how were the serbs armed

400 Dutch with light weapons against probably 10,000+ Serbs with tanks and artillery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#Perpetrators_named

Perpetrators named

On 4 October 2005, the Special Bosnian Serb Government Working Group said that 25,083 people were involved in the massacre, including 19,473 members of various Bosnian Serb armed forces that actively gave orders or directly took part in the massacre. They have identified 17,074 by name.[104] It has also been reported that some 892 of those suspects still hold positions at or are employed by the government of Republika Srpska. The names are still held secret.[105]

cournioni

It's not the gays it's the Chinese he's after...

Thomas828

Winston Churchill had a similar problem with the Royal Navy. "The Admiralty? Monstrous! Nothing but rum and sodomy, prayers and the lash!"

prinz

expectationlost wrote: »

how many men were these dutch soldiers up against, how were the serbs armed

Plus not to forget that when the Dutch realised they couldn't hold off the Serbs that the Bosniaks inside the city turned on them aswell, IIRC there were a few Dutch soldiers killed by the Bosnian side.

El Siglo

Seriously though, if a pissed off Serb army was coming at you with tanks and artillery, you're lightly armed and few in numbers, gay, straight, black, white, purple you'll fight back as best as you can. Absolutely ludicrous claim to make.

g5fd6ow0hseima

prinz wrote: »

Plus not to forget that when the Dutch realised they couldn't hold off the Serbs that the Bosniaks inside the city turned on them aswell, IIRC there were a few Dutch soldiers killed by the Bosnian side.

That wouldnt surprise me in the slightest. By any chance do you have any links to this though? Not that im doubting you, but its something id like to learn more about.

prinz

Lilian Green Bedtime wrote: »

That wouldnt surprise me in the slightest. By any chance do you have any links to this though? Not that im doubting you, but its something id like to learn more about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Good links in there to the ICJ etc.

prinz

El Siglo wrote: »

Seriously though, if a pissed off Serb army was coming at you with tanks and artillery, you're lightly armed and few in numbers, gay, straight, black, white, purple you'll fight back as best as you can. Absolutely ludicrous claim to make.

Problem is they didn't fight back. To do so would have been largely suicidal anyway but there are reports that Ducth soldiers were present and witnessed men and teenage boys being summarily executed on the street, and that Dutch soldiers watched Serbs raping women and girls and didn't intervene. Of course it's hard to blame the Dutch, they had asked for help and support and had been left to their own devices.

El Siglo

prinz wrote: »

Problem is they didn't fight back. To do so would have been largely suicidal anyway but there are reports that Ducth soldiers were present and witnessed men and teenage boys being summarily executed on the street, and that Dutch soldiers watched Serbs raping women and girls and didn't intervene. Of course it's hard to blame the Dutch, they had asked for help and support and had been left to their own devices.

True, but they're a UN force so they're caught between a rock and a hard place. I was saying more on a general point that regardless of sexuality, a person will fight for their survival. If the Dutch were part of a NATO force in Srebrenica it would have been a different story.

me_right_one

Sure the first man in the sas was queer. Also, sas is an anagram of ass

prinz

El Siglo wrote: »

True, but they're a UN force so they're caught between a rock and a hard place. I was saying more on a general point that regardless of sexuality, a person will fight for their survival. If the Dutch were part of a NATO force in Srebrenica it would have been a different story.

I agree. They were left staring down two barrels. Sexuality, nationality, as irrelevant as what kind of haircuts they had. Pointless blaming the Dutch batt.

El Siglo

It's not the first time the UN has been hampered.