Understanding Street Fighter - Tips etc

Sisko

We need a sticky thread with all the info a player needs to try and improve and understand the game.


So I'm going to request one of the lads sticky this and also help me update this first post when I think of something more to add.

I think we just need to get something up ASAP as there's a lot of new lads checking out the forums and we need a spot for them to read up learn some stuff.


So here goes nothing :

Sirlins stuff that should come with every copy of every street fighter:



READ: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0cFs5mHQC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoILSEQL9jE

This should help your mind set as a player and become more aware of the space you control and not to add your own rules to the game.

Lingo


http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2007/oct/21/street-fighter-terminology-acronyms-lexicon-and-glossary-guide/

Some more basics :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rHYFXxYxHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfa1kKWcMS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o20Fwj6DtX4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTvXXoDNRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6Z5VGsBw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXB8xHLA0To

SF4 Focus system and armor breaking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nivXAQ4VvSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRnueFPtnko

SF4 general character guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LxZ0fVFps

SFIV Block strings/Ryu tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lYsUZGF3VI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isaDh_i97mA

SFIV Sagat and Balrog Basics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Zcy4lLYnQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghOYLjB7usE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B_tX-2O05A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbHZxq5FqQw

SFIV Plinking/ Guile Tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjO-EMh6Ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kds4yiIBjfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mARorBkHxt0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWIkRhEDuwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m3wc-3_vCM

SFIV Sakura Tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzzs6H9Xhf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Z8QKkoEFE

SFIV Ken Kara-throw tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9We8ZsutK_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEqHyD239g

Viper Essentials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foJRckgem1Y

Shoryuken.com


Newbie Dojo

SFIV section

Super SFIV section

SFIV match ups 'Dojo'

http://streetfighterdojo.com/sf4/index.html

Eventhubs - loads of street fighter info

http://www.eventhubs.com

EventHubs SFIV portal

Ramza

Nice one man, but why at the start of the thread did you mix games? Like ST then 3s?

Obv playing the game is the most important part and being willing to learn. You're going to lose and that's just part of the learning process. When you play the game a lot things seem to flow into one another and grasping certain aspects of the game become simple

However imo, just some criticism, above post looks a little messy, not in a literal sense, maybe some headings etc, marked beginner/intermediate etc

Sisko

Yeah I agree, I'll get to that tomorrow.


Oh and its a general street fighter thing not just SFIV hence why theres other vids there. I think sirlins vids are pretty important anyway in understanding street fighter in general. .

Xluna

Nice thread Sisko. Yeah the ST tutorials are pretty universal. I remember they came free with a SF game,can't remember if it's Capcom classics 2 or the hyper aniversary edition on ps2 or the superior Xbox version,which has 3rd strike.

Doctor DooM

This guy makes a good effort at explaining Guile's basic game plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kds4yiIBjfM

Sonic Flash explaining plinking (alot of Guiles combos have one frame links) and the SfP xx FK combo which some people have trouble with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pjO-EMh6Ho

bush

RopeDrink wrote: »

Get Darksydephil out of the Balrog thing (I assume it's him from the voice) and replace it with these. Far more informative and expansive than "Ugh fukkit, can't do the combo" guy.

Gootecks Teaches Balrog Pt1
Gootecks Teaches Balrog Pt2
Gootecks Teaches Balrog Pt3

Nice thread dude, can be easy to really flesh it out over time.

Ye gootecks tutorial is great.


Anyone know here know much about frame data? What does it mean when it says 1+1 on startup?

PPC

1+1 would mean theres a 1 frame startup, then the ultra animation then 1 more frame of startup after the animation.

bush

PPC wrote: »

1+1 would mean theres a 1 frame startup, then the ultra animation then 1 more frame of startup after the animation.

Alright, cheers.

D4RK ONION

Instead of the first few videos, maybe try these SF4 based ones? Well, I'm biased anyway, as these videos essentially showed me how bad I was and shaped me into the somewhat decent player I am now. Particularly stuff like wake up game (I used to jump away if I got knockdown (used to main Ryu)) and tick throws (not that I use them, but, helped me learn how to avoid them)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTvXXoDNRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6Z5VGsBw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXB8xHLA0To

Sisko

Those vids are good are a good addition, but Sirlins and the eventhub vids are much easier to take in. I'll add but not replace. They'll complement the other vids nicely.

I'll put everything in quotes , might clean it up a bit we'll see.

Ry

Viper Essentials:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foJRckgem1Y

animaX

I think a direct link to the street fighter 4 portal on eventhubs would be good idea since most new lurkers in the forum would be playing 4 (or super). Some great info there.

randomchild

Woke up this morning deciding to learn some sakura after a session in my mate's gaff, low and behold two great vids for me to study. Cheers!

Sisko

Yeah friend of mine was looking to main her for awhile so I was looking for stuff awhile back to help him and found those vids which I think are pretty good. Her reset is such a powerful tool.

I like how one goes over the different resets and then another is a player explaining the thinking behind playing her using youtubes captions. very helpful to beginners to see what players need to be thinking and looking for mid match.


@ Ry, very good vid, never saw that one before. Love the music!

Ry

Sisko wrote: »

@ Ry, very good vid, never saw that one before. Love the music!

Yeh I was really impressed by the meterless dash cancels stuff she can pull off which I've yet to try out.

K.O.Kiki

Man, I totally forgot to post these vids.
They're from a SFII:Hyper Fighting tape, but they are STILL relevant to this day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OEXzKk5gkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUcgofXSSkM

If anyone wants the full 30-minute video, I can upload it at a later stage.

chopperbyrne

The tutorial videos with the dodgy character intros and a narrator explaining the combos are actually quite good.

Here is part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1afIqXKYp6c

D4RK ONION

Too much cheese... Can't... go on...

K.O.

BanjoB

On that guile standing fierce flash kick combo in the first vids.. im sure i've just seen guys combo crouching fierce into flash kick???.

Doctor DooM

BanjoB wrote: »

On that guile standing fierce flash kick combo in the first vids.. im sure i've just seen guys combo crouching fierce into flash kick???.

Can't be done. C fp doesn't have cancel properties. They just look similar.

jonnybadd

I've watched these videos and learned quite a bit I didn't know from them. Put it into practise against the computer but still seem to be coming out with the same win/lose ratio but feeling a bit better about my technical game.

As I mentioned in another thread I've never played against a human opponent, and don't have XBL at the moment to do so. So what is the best course of action to improve my game?

And also, the character I main (well play most often at) is not exactly in the top tier of the most recent tier list, is it worth carrying on with him or learn a new character to play with?

Doctor DooM

jonnybadd wrote: »

I've watched these videos and learned quite a bit I didn't know from them. Put it into practise against the computer but still seem to be coming out with the same win/lose ratio but feeling a bit better about my technical game.

As I mentioned in another thread I've never played against a human opponent, and don't have XBL at the moment to do so. So what is the best course of action to improve my game?

And also, the character I main (well play most often at) is not exactly in the top tier of the most recent tier list, is it worth carrying on with him or learn a new character to play with?

You're in Dublin?

Show up to some casuals and tournaments. Nothing like that to improve the game. The computer doesn't try to combat zoning etc the way a human does.

Also, I main the 3rd lowest rated character in the game. I play because I enjoy it with him.

I'd probably win more with a high tier character but I probably wouldn't put in the effort I do as it wouldn't be as fun. It's a choice everyone makes at some point playing fgs.

K.O.Kiki

Being low-tier can be an advantage sometimes, as you have that "surprise" factor (like Ken_B's Vega).
However, it always helps to have a solid high-level character, like Ryu or Sagat, as back-up.

BanjoB

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Can't be done. C fp doesn't have cancel properties. They just look similar.

Actually tried it 2day and yep, no cancel properties. that close fierce is what confused me.. was tryin some of those combos too and that one frame link into mp is damn tough.. do u use them much doom??

jonnybadd

Doctor DooM wrote: »

You're in Dublin?

Show up to some casuals and tournaments. Nothing like that to improve the game. The computer doesn't try to combat zoning etc the way a human does.

Also, I main the 3rd lowest rated character in the game. I play because I enjoy it with him.

I'd probably win more with a high tier character but I probably wouldn't put in the effort I do as it wouldn't be as fun. It's a choice everyone makes at some point playing fgs.

Aye, was gonna come along last week but never made it into town, but maybe Saturday week I'll come along if ye'll have me. At least it'll be an easy win for a few people:rolleyes:

Do the higher tier characters take more learning to be good at playing them?

I generally play Ken, and really enjoy playing him, from what I know it doesnt take a lot to learn most of his game, and I'm not the biggest fan of charging characters. Are there any tips ye would have for playing single player to get better or is it a case of purely playing real people to improve?

Sisko

My thread has FAILED!



Hehe nah theres enough info here that should help any new players that visit the forums. No need to update the 1st post. Unless some really useful info comes out regarding Super SF4.


Could we sticky this though please so its there for people to see when they visit?

Sisko

jonnybadd wrote: »

Are there any tips ye would have for playing single player to get better or is it a case of purely playing real people to improve?

A hell of a lot of the game is about reading the other player. All single player is good for is practicing moves. What you could do what will help you for when you do get some games in with other players is learn some match up.

A lot of new players have massive trouble against blanka. Knowing that you can ultra blanka's slide and all that kinda stuff will be handy for you, for example.


Training mode has a record feature that allows you to control the other character for 10 seconds , then it'll play it back. Use this to set up moves from other characters and practice your punishes and to test what you can do against them on block or what you can't.

Malchia

Sisko wrote: »

Training mode has a record feature that allows you to control the other character for 10 seconds , then it'll play it back. Use this to set up moves from other characters and practice your punishes and to test what you can do against them on block or what you can't.

OH HO HO HO I never thought of this XD killer advice, must try later

Doctor DooM

Thread tidied up a bit.

Dunjohn

chopperbyrne wrote: »

The tutorial videos with the dodgy character intros and a narrator explaining the combos are actually quite good.

Here is part 1:

"After years of devotion and self-denial, my offensive and defensive capabilities are frawless."

There's a new quote for the ages right there.

Really enjoying this thread. There's a lot of fascinating stuff here I hadn't been using.

jonnybadd

Sisko wrote: »

A hell of a lot of the game is about reading the other player. All single player is good for is practicing moves. What you could do what will help you for when you do get some games in with other players is learn some match up.

A lot of new players have massive trouble against blanka. Knowing that you can ultra blanka's slide and all that kinda stuff will be handy for you, for example.


Training mode has a record feature that allows you to control the other character for 10 seconds , then it'll play it back. Use this to set up moves from other characters and practice your punishes and to test what you can do against them on block or what you can't.

Blanka can slide?:rolleyes:

Will try the training mode job to see if I can get some sort of gameplan going.

While I have ye, Is there much benifit in the challenge mode side of things? I mean I've learned a few combos/links because of it but is there a real need to learn these for play? I mean from the fights I've seen its almost like a chess match, a few hits, defence, a few more and you eek out the wins, but is there ever a situation where you need the muscle memory of these combos to win?

Malchia

jonnybadd wrote: »

While I have ye, Is there much benifit in the challenge mode side of things? I mean I've learned a few combos/links because of it but is there a real need to learn these for play? I mean from the fights I've seen its almost like a chess match, a few hits, defence, a few more and you eek out the wins, but is there ever a situation where you need the muscle memory of these combos to win?

From my experience (and depending on your character) a lot of the hard challenge trials have some useful B&B punishments or Ultra setups in them, but a lot of it is also just flashy stuff. Not all of it necessary, some of it you'll find yourself using a lot

Doctor DooM

jonnybadd wrote: »

Aye, was gonna come along last week but never made it into town, but maybe Saturday week I'll come along if ye'll have me. At least it'll be an easy win for a few people:rolleyes:

Do the higher tier characters take more learning to be good at playing them?

I generally play Ken, and really enjoy playing him, from what I know it doesnt take a lot to learn most of his game, and I'm not the biggest fan of charging characters. Are there any tips ye would have for playing single player to get better or is it a case of purely playing real people to improve?

There's all levels at the meet ups and you'll learn quick, trust me.

It's not that high tier characters are harder to learn, it's more that they have options in any situation, comboable ultras and usually high damage/ stamina.

Ken's solid enough akaic, his EX DP is a big damage punisher, he can FADC ultra, and he's got a good poking game with all those kicks, especially cr mk and f mk.

Got to say, I would rarely bother with 1 player save to practice combos.

Doctor DooM

BanjoB wrote: »

Actually tried it 2day and yep, no cancel properties. that close fierce is what confused me.. was tryin some of those combos too and that one frame link into mp is damn tough.. do u use them much doom??

Not right now. I'm currently using either mp xx fk or mp xx sb cr hk as my main combos.

At the moment I am working on plinking to the cr mp as it'll be handy to use if I haven't time to charge a FK straight from the mp. I think the damage difference is neglible because of scaling.

My Guile is mainly about the zoning and wearing you down slowly. I get a certain amount of slagging over it

jonnybadd

Cool, I need to get me XBL Gold or along to meetups then, and in the meantime just do my best to kick seven shades of sh**e out of cheap Seth, and learn how to annoy everyone by playing Sagat

Cheers for the advice lads, one final question, is there a meet up this Saturday and how long do they normally go on and cost?

ayjayirl

jonnybadd wrote: »

Cool, I need to get me XBL Gold or along to meetups then, and in the meantime just do my best to kick seven shades of sh**e out of cheap Seth, and learn how to annoy everyone by playing Sagat

Cheers for the advice lads, one final question, is there a meet up this Saturday and how long do they normally go on and cost?

Not sure if there is one on this week. The cost isn't high at all, a fiver at most (depending on numbers)

Dreddybajs

Why wouldn't there be a meetup this week? People show up every week now, pretty much.

K.O.Kiki

We didn't make a thread

L31mr0d

Nobody has mentioned his videos yet I see:

LordofUltima on youtube does some pretty good SFIV videos

3 Minute Fundamentals

Akuma 101

Joystick Tips

bush

Anyone know how to do a cr.jab/sweep option select to punish a back dash on wake up? I play somone who does this to me. I asked him how to do it but he never told me.

DarkTalant

just input cr.jab, cr.jab+sweep with the timing of craining two jabs. If your first jab connects it will cancel into the second jab (chain cancel) and if the first jab whiffs(eg. the opponent backdashes) the sweep will come out because HK has higher priority than LP. It works because the game freezes for a few frames whenever a move connects.

bush

DarkTalant wrote: »

just input cr.jab, cr.jab+sweep with the timing of craining two jabs. If your first jab connects it will cancel into the second jab (chain cancel) and if the first jab whiffs(eg. the opponent backdashes) the sweep will come out because HK has higher priority than LP. It works because the game freezes for a few frames whenever a move connects.

Cheers.

Also would a good reversal beat this?

A-Trak

Anyone got tips/links to vids for 360, and more importantly 720 motions / ultras?

Doctor DooM

A-Trak wrote: »

Anyone got tips/links to vids for 360, and more importantly 720 motions / ultras?

For one you don't need to do the full 360, a 270 rotation does.

A-Trak

Doctor DooM wrote: »

For one you don't need to do the full 360, a 270 rotation does.

I read that yesterday, (That you only need to touch 4 points, 8 for 720 so it's only a 540 motion in effect,) and bizarrely this made me whiff the motion more once I knew this.

Doctor DooM

A-Trak wrote: »

I read that yesterday, (That you only need to touch 4 points, 8 for 720 so it's only a 540 motion in effect,) and bizarrely this made me whiff the motion more once I knew this.

Dreddy is who you really need to ask this but also maybe you are forgetting you don't need to start in any particular position. So if you're jumping forward, use the up forward position to start buffering. That buys you a little time to be precise.

You looking to use the Orochi breaker? Took Super Honda out of the bag tonight and got it a couple of times.

D4RK ONION

Doctor DooM wrote: »

For one you don't need to do the full 360, a 270 rotation does.

It's a pretty meh move. It would've been okay with a bit more range.

There's one or two ways I've managed to make it slightly workable, though I still prefer U1. Happy to share though

First, and much less likely to work against anyone good/someone you haven't trained is c.lk c.lp xx EX.HHS (holding towards) >U2
Note: You need to leave a tiny tiny gap before you input the button press. Swing that stick 720 towards the end of HHS, then input the button a little after it has ended. If you do it too early they're still in hit stun. But it's pretty easy.

The only problem is they may just jump away as soon as you finish HHS, so if you think they will, jump after them with a jumping fierce, and pressure on the land.

If you think they're going to reversal, block and U2 when they're finished.

A much better way to do it is to FADC out of either a standing fierce or a hp.HHS. The hit stun is much more noticeable though, so you'll have to leave a decent gap before you input the button press, but you can be 720ing before hand. You've a much better chance of catching them off guard with this one, but the above notes still apply. Hope this helps

bush

Theres a great frame data app on iphone now. I had a sf4 one but this is way better, really easy to navigate. Its called ssf4guide and its 1.70

BanjoB

Bush80 wrote: »

Theres a great frame data app on iphone now. I had a sf4 one but this is way better, really easy to navigate. Its called ssf4guide and its 1.70

Cool.I'm gonna get it right now. Very handy havin all that frame data at my fingertips. Thanks for the heads up man.

animaX

Bush80 wrote: »

Theres a great frame data app on iphone now. I had a sf4 one but this is way better, really easy to navigate. Its called ssf4guide and its 1.70

Is it the one made by Andrew Stanton?

bush

Ye thats the one. Theres a few on there I think

Heres the link

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/super-street-fighter-iv-moves/id371887651?mt=8