GOLF GTI ENGINE REPLACEMENT

miss_daisy

Hey,

Just wondering what people would do if they were in my situation... Also, would appreciate any information/comments etc:)

I have a GTI Golf, 2002 with 90,000mls on the clock. The engine is ceased. I have seen an engine on ebay for €1025 (or make best offer). The seller seems to have pretty good reviews, but Im still nervous about getting one on the internet. If I did buy it, apparently I could get it fitted for €500.

The other option is to try to sell the shell off and then try buy something else. I wouldnt hav alot of money to put with it.

What should I do?

Mr Benevolent

miss_daisy wrote: »

Hey,

Just wondering what people would do if they were in my situation... Also, would appreciate any information/comments etc:)

I have a GTI Golf, 2002 with 90,000mls on the clock. The engine is ceased. I have seen an engine on ebay for €1025 (or make best offer). The seller seems to have pretty good reviews, but Im still nervous about getting one on the internet. If I did buy it, apparently I could get it fitted for €500.

The other option is to try to sell the shell off and then try buy something else. I wouldnt hav alot of money to put with it.

What should I do?

You're going to need a new clutch as well. Sounds uneconomical tbh. What happened to the old engine? Lack of oil changes by any chance?

miss_daisy

Ah crap, will I? I dunno what happened really the oil pressure warning light was flashing and I gave it to a friend who "fixed it" and charged me 500€ for the luxury. It was ok for a while but the the same problem began again, and I had left it at my parents to be brought to the garage and my little brother took it out and keblamo, the engine died!! The garage I then dropped it into told me its the half block?? is gone, so I need a bottom end...

This is all like japanese to me??:(:confused:

mondeo

Your car must have had an oil leak and ran the engine dry of oil...Bring someone with you when your getting a price on a repair just incase somone takes you for a ride, after all you said this is like japanese to you so they could tell you anything and you would believe them..

mondeo

Confab wrote: »

You're going to need a new clutch as well. Sounds uneconomical tbh. What happened to the old engine? Lack of oil changes by any chance?

Why would she need a new clutch?

miss_daisy

yeah i know what you mean, well I had my Dad go to the garage and they aid itd be 4500 for a full new engine fitted and i think it was 2500 for a short block, so neither of those prices are an option for me..

The only two options I have are to buy the one on the internet for 1025e and get it fitted for roughly 500e OR try to sell the shell for cash as it is

What would you do?

On the one hand, Im looking at the price of 02 GTIs on carzone and thinking I should get it foxed but part of me is wondering is it worth it?

miss_daisy

Oh yeah, I forgot to say, when it was brought to garage following the engine cease, they checked it over and the didnt mention that it needed new clutch????

Gary ITR

miss_daisy wrote: »

Oh yeah, I forgot to say, when it was brought to garage following the engine cease, they checked it over and the didnt mention that it needed new clutch????

You don't need a new clutch, just makes sense to change the clutch while the engine is out.

You would also need to factor in the cost of having that engine delivered (from UK?) and then any unforseen issues. You'd be looking a 2k anyway

A grand seems a lot for a VAG 1.8t lump second hand, do they fetch that much over here ? Have you tried breakers ? I'd also ask your friend what exactly did he do to justify a charge of €500.

Gary ITR

RoverJames wrote: »

A grand seems a lot for a VAG 1.8t lump second hand, do they fetch that much over here ? Have you tried breakers ?

They don't come cheap, a lot of guys doing mk1/2 conversions

mondeo

I'd love to know what your mate done to the car to justify charging you 500 notes.....I'm very curious.

I would try and source a second hand engine here in ireland first before getting one on ebay because you never know what you might come across in a breakers...That can be your Dads mission for the week;)

miss_daisy

Onkle wrote: »

You don't need a new clutch, just makes sense to change the clutch while the engine is out.

You would also need to factor in the cost of having that engine delivered (from UK?) and then any unforseen issues. You'd be looking a 2k anyway

The price of €1025 isnt including delivery but thats 75 pounds ... I hear what your saying about buying off the internet, thats my worry too... But i looked at the seller rating and its pretty good. PPl hv bought engines before and there hv been no probs...

Its hard to know what to do..

miss_daisy

mondeo wrote: »

I'd love to know what your mate done to the car to justify charging you 500 notes.....I'm very curious.

I would try and source a second hand engine here in ireland first before getting one on ebay because you never know what you might come across in a breakers...That can be your Dads mission for the week;)

Yeah, id love to know too! He came to my house with a load of little black pipe type things in his hand and he told me they were all withered (that it just happens over time?) and they needed to be changed! As far as I can recall, he had to take out the engine to get at them??

I really dont know, but at the time, I didnt mind as long as it was fixed.. you know what I mean?

Its annoying now though, as it clearly wasnt fixed properly and now look where I am!

vw4life

have you tried any breakers over here or up north,dunno know if I can name names but try the one in Armagh;)

miss_daisy

RoverJames wrote: »

A grand seems a lot for a VAG 1.8t lump second hand, do they fetch that much over here ? Have you tried breakers ? I'd also ask your friend what exactly did he do to justify a charge of €500.

I asked him and he told me - I left an explanation of what he told me just a minute ago in previous post..

I checked breakers yards locally (and Traynors in the North) and there are none around at the moment as far as I know... also, people keep telling me that the AUM engine code type is rare??

miss_daisy

vw4life wrote: »

have you tried any breakers over here or up north,dunno know if I can name names but try the one in Armagh;)

Hey

Yes, I tried Traynors twice over the last number of weeks and no joy...:cool:

JabbaTheHut

Try http://www.partfinder.ie/ . If something comes up to suit you, give them a call. A lot of them still have the engine in the car, sometimes running, so you could bring a mechanic(not your "friend" ) to check it out before buying.

I had a quick shuftie for GTI's and there's a few listed. Just remember, it's a 2nd hand part( and being a sports model, it may have been thrashed a lot ). But at least it's better to see it before you buy, as opposed to ebay.

Gary ITR

Is that £75 to Ireland? Because I was quoted €250 to bring a Golf GTI engine from Waterford to Dublin

misterburgess

3 years ago my 02 golf gti also blew its engine. No warning, just one day i pulled away from my house, half mile down the road, BANG. Turned out the oil pump was faulty, low pressure, result: piston came out through the block. It only had 52k on it, with part dealer service history. I sourced an engine from Eddie Torrens up the north. He collected my car from my house in Dublin, brought it up to his place in Ballymoney, i collected it the next week. Cost me £1800 sterling. He has a strange manner, his yard is filthy, and they made ****e of my cream leather interior, but they did a decent enough job of the engine switchover. You could give him a try maybe.

Esel

miss_daisy wrote: »

...It was ok for a while but the the same problem began again, and I had left it at my parents to be brought to the garage and my little brother took it out and keblamo, the engine died!!....

Has he got a piggy bank? Because I'd be looking for a hammer....

If it was me, I'd buy a cheap (<€400-500) run-around, wait for an engine to turn up here that I could see running in the (crashed) car, and go with that. This course might not be open to you cost-wise, though.

Another option would be to price the cost of getting the half-block done up north, and also by a good independent mechanic nearer to home. You could find that there may not be much difference in cost between that and the eBay + shipping + labour cost.

You could go with the eBay engine, and everything may work out hunky-dory, but then again it may not.... What is the history of the eBay engine - mileage, etc?

Redsoxfan

Onkle wrote: »

Is that £75 to Ireland? Because I was quoted €250 to bring a Golf GTI engine from Waterford to Dublin

That's nuts. In comparison, there's a crowd in the UK that will ship a 2.0 AR engine to Ireland for £100.

miss_daisy

Onkle wrote: »

Is that £75 to Ireland? Because I was quoted €250 to bring a Golf GTI engine from Waterford to Dublin

thats £75 to anywhere in Northern ireland - bu that doesnt pose a problem for me as I haver family there!

miss_daisy

esel wrote: »

Has he got a piggy bank? Because I'd be looking for a hammer....

If it was me, I'd buy a cheap (<€400-500) run-around, wait for an engine to turn up here that I could see running in the (crashed) car, and go with that. This course might not be open to you cost-wise, though.

Another option would be to price the cost of getting the half-block done up north, and also by a good independent mechanic nearer to home. You could find that there may not be much difference in cost between that and the eBay + shipping + labour cost.

You could go with the eBay engine, and everything may r work out hunky-dory, but then again it may not.... What is the history of the eBay engine - mileage, etc?

Your saying about my brother... t

Yeah, I completely hear what your saying about my brtothers piggy bank, thing is he hasnt got one!!! So theres not a whole lot I can do, bar hound my parents for the cash, but I couldnt bring myself to do that as its not their fault really - on the other hand, its not mine either, so Im hateing having to bear the financial brunt, but lifes a B**CH I guess!??

I was quotea price of €2500 to get a new half block and have it fitted, does this sound reasonable?? The engine Im looking at on ebay is from a seller that seems to only deal in engines, crank shaft (drive shafts) and major car parts. It has 62000miles on it and is going to be taken from a 53 reg english car (?). Apparently, its in perfect working order......

miss_daisy

misterburgess wrote: »

3 years ago my 02 golf gti also blew its engine. No warning, just one day i pulled away from my house, half mile down the road, BANG. Turned out the oil pump was faulty, low pressure, result: piston came out through the block. It only had 52k on it, with part dealer service history. I sourced an engine from Eddie Torrens up the north. He collected my car from my house in Dublin, brought it up to his place in Ballymoney, i collected it the next week. Cost me £1800 sterling. He has a strange manner, his yard is filthy, and they made ****e of my cream leather interior, but they did a decent enough job of the engine switchover. You could give him a try maybe.

Hey,

The situation with your golf seems similiar to mine really, as it was the oil pressure light that was giving me trouble also?? The man - Eddie Torrens sounds like he could do the trick nicely... Di you still have any contact details for him or how did you/where would i find him??

miss_daisy

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Try http://www.partfinder.ie/ . If something comes up to suit you, give them a call. A lot of them still have the engine in the car, sometimes running, so you could bring a mechanic(not your "friend" ) to check it out before buying.

I had a quick shuftie for GTI's and there's a few listed. Just remember, it's a 2nd hand part( and being a sports model, it may have been thrashed a lot ). But at least it's better to see it before you buy, as opposed to ebay.

Im having a look there now, ther are a feww options coming up. Thanks

Ferris

misterburgess wrote: »

3 years ago my 02 golf gti also blew its engine. No warning, just one day i pulled away from my house, half mile down the road, BANG. Turned out the oil pump was faulty, low pressure, result: piston came out through the block. It only had 52k on it, with part dealer service history. I sourced an engine from Eddie Torrens up the north. He collected my car from my house in Dublin, brought it up to his place in Ballymoney, i collected it the next week. Cost me £1800 sterling. He has a strange manner, his yard is filthy, and they made ****e of my cream leather interior, but they did a decent enough job of the engine switchover. You could give him a try maybe.

I also got an (diesel) engine off Torrens, turned out that the hydraulic tappets needed going. He gives a 6 month 'warranty' with the engine but wanted to do the work on the engine himself and hear of a partial refund to cover the cost. Wasn't worth my time to drive up to Ballymoney from Dublin again to get it done. In saying that if he had an engine it might be worth getting the car transported up there to get the whole job done, just be wary of the cowboyish nature of the place. Another place to look in is Quiggs breakers outside Ballymena, they specialise in VW's and are good to deal with.

The 1.8T engine is known for sludging its oil which would degrade the oil feed hoses ('black pipe things'). Sounds like your friend fixed this but the damage was already done to the bottom end via oil starvation. They need fully synthetic oil and to have it drained out via the sump plug at the specified intervals. Also make sure that the turbo isn't knackered as breakers will not sell you this with a replacement engine unless you specifically ask for it.

miss_daisy

Redsoxfan wrote: »

That's nuts. In comparison, there's a crowd in the UK that will ship a 2.0 AR engine to Ireland for £100.

Who are they?? ... I wonder do they do GTI engines??

bryaner

miss_daisy wrote: »

Yeah, id love to know too! He came to my house with a load of little black pipe type things in his hand and he told me they were all withered (that it just happens over time?) and they needed to be changed! As far as I can recall, he had to take out the engine to get at them??

I really dont know, but at the time, I didnt mind as long as it was fixed.. you know what I mean?

Its annoying now though, as it clearly wasnt fixed properly and now look where I am!

They sound like oil spray jets that cool the pistons, if so they should be removable without taking the engine out and they shouldn't be a factor with oil pressure bar they were blocked. If your engine seized on the crankshaft there should be no need for a short motor (bar it seized on a main journal and wore the block) the shaft could still be machinable, a set of undersize shells and a new oil pump and bottom set of gaskets and all should be good. This repair should come in for under €700.

miss_daisy

Ferris wrote: »

I also got an (diesel) engine off Torrens, turned out that the hydraulic tappets needed going. He gives a 6 month 'warranty' with the engine but wanted to do the work on the engine himself and hear of a partial refund to cover the cost. Wasn't worth my time to drive up to Ballymoney from Dublin again to get it done. In saying that if he had an engine it might be worth getting the car transported up there to get the whole job done, just be wary of the cowboyish nature of the place. Another place to look in is Quiggs breakers outside Ballymena, they specialise in VW's and are good to deal with.

The 1.8T engine is known for sludging its oil which would degrade the oil feed hoses ('black pipe things'). Sounds like your friend fixed this but the damage was already done to the bottom end via oil starvation. They need fully synthetic oil and to have it drained out via the sump plug at the specified intervals. Also make sure that the turbo isn't knackered as breakers will not sell you this with a replacement engine unless you specifically ask for it.

OK, I just looked up both Eddie Torrens and Quiggs numbers and Im going to give them a call... Ill let you know how I get on! And by the way, what you said about the oil feed hoses sounds familiar to me, so I can take some peace of mind in knowing that my friend knew what he was at!! Out of interest - Does replacing the oik feed hoses warrant a bill of €500 coming my way or were there big windows??!

Also, when the engine died, I dropped it into the local main dealer Peugeot Garage (its where my Dad deals) and they checked it over. they didnt mention the cluthc needing replacing, the gearbox or the turbo... would you say Id need to confirm this before I go ahead and possibly buy an engine?

ALSO, someone offered me €1000 for the shell?? would I be as well to get rid of it ? UGH, Im so confused...

miss_daisy

bryaner wrote: »

They sound like oil spray jets that cool the pistons, if so they should be removable without taking the engine out and they shouldn't be a factor with oil pressure bar they were blocked. If your engine seized on the crankshaft there should be no need for a short motor (bar it seized on a main journal and wore the block) the shaft could still be machinable, a set of undersize shells and a new oil pump and bottom set of gaskets and all should be good. This repair should come in for under €700.

I gave it to the main dealer Peugeot garage (my Dad deals there) and they told me i need a new short block/bottom end. Do you think I should get a second opinion? or do you think its just not needed?

5500

Have you tried IVI? http://www.iviengines.ie/

miss_daisy

eireal wrote: »

Have you tried IVI? http://www.iviengines.ie/

nope, but I will do now... Thank you

bryaner

miss_daisy wrote: »

I gave it to the main dealer Peugeot garage (my Dad deals there) and they told me i need a new short block/bottom end. Do you think I should get a second opinion? or do you think its just not needed?

A lot of garages don't bother repairing and opt for a short motor (block, shaft pistons, conrods, oil pump) It is the easier option and more expensive but probably the best. But for a cheaper option I'd have someone pull the shaft out and see what condition it is in and is it still within grinding tolerance, if so it would be the cheaper route to getting back on the road..

cantdecide

Mechanics are lazy and just want an easy life and it would be a shame to have to bastardize quite a nice car if you don't have to. Take the problem to a few places and tell them all what you're being told elsewhere. If it were me, unless the expense is outrageous, I'd fix it if I could.

Where are you based?

miss_daisy

bryaner wrote: »

A lot of garages don't bother repairing and opt for a short motor (block, shaft pistons, conrods, oil pump) It is the easier option and more expensive but probably the best. But for a cheaper option I'd have someone pull the shaft out and see what condition it is in and is it still within grinding tolerance, if so it would be the cheaper route to getting back on the road..

God, Id be delighted if it could be repaired, as Im doing a Postgrad course at the moment and as you can imagine, the funds are at an all time LOW!! I will try to get a decent mechanic to have a look at it and see what they sat... Any idea how much the repair job would or should be?

miss_daisy

cantdecide wrote: »

Mechanics are lazy and just want an easy life and it would be a shame to have to bastardize quite a nice car if you don't have to. Take the problem to a few places and tell them all what you're being told elsewhere. If it were me, unless the expense is outrageous, I'd fix it if I could.

Where are you based?

Hey, Im from Kilkenny (the car is there!) although Im living in Limerick during the week, and home most week ends????

bryaner

miss_daisy wrote: »

God, Id be delighted if it could be repaired, as Im doing a Postgrad course at the moment and as you can imagine, the funds are at an all time LOW!! I will try to get a decent mechanic to have a look at it and see what they sat... Any idea how much the repair job would or should be?

Ill have a guesstimate of around €700.

miss_daisy

bryaner wrote: »

Ill have a guesstimate of around €700.

Whopee.... Thatd be within my budget at the moment, so if that proved to be do-able, itd be great... Should i be charged to get the shaft out and checked?

Apologies for all the questions...:eek:

cantdecide

miss_daisy wrote: »

Should i be charged to get the shaft out and checked?

You do have to go through an exhaustive decision making process. The problem is that once you get this far, you're pretty commited to this method of repair or at least, that particular garage.

If you decide to definitely go down the repair route, make sure you are dealing with a well equiped garage/ engine specialist with suitably qualified and experienced technicians (I don't mean you should go to a main stealer, btw). At least this way, you give yourself the best chance of making the best decisions if things don't unfold in your favour.

If I were you, I'd start a new topic asking "best engine specialist for a GTi in Kilkenny".

bryaner

miss_daisy wrote: »

Whopee.... Thatd be within my budget at the moment, so if that proved to be do-able, itd be great... Should i be charged to get the shaft out and checked?

Apologies for all the questions...:eek:

Good bit of work involved, it could be roughly checked in situ with the sump off but ideally best checked on the bench. Try and get a decent mechanic he will explain all to you and wont rip you off.

miss_daisy

cantdecide wrote: »

You do have to go through an exhaustive decision making process. The problem is that once you get this far, you're pretty commited to this method of repair or at least, that particular garage.

If you decide to definitely go down the repair route, make sure you are dealing with a well equiped garage/ engine specialist with suitably qualified and experienced technicians (I don't mean you should go to a main stealer, btw). At least this way, you give yourself the best chance of making the best decisions if things don't unfold in your favour.

If I were you, I'd start a new topic asking "best engine specialist for a GTi in Kilkenny".

Yes, Ill do that now and see what responses I get. I do know a mechanic that is usually pretty good and not a rip off.. he's from Carlow, so I might give him a shout and see what he says?

miss_daisy

bryaner wrote: »

Good bit of work involved, it could be roughly checked in situ with the sump off but ideally best checked on the bench. Try and get a decent mechanic he will explain all to you and wont rip you off.

Yeah, Ill do that at the week end and see how I get on...

Thanks for your advice

Ferris

miss_daisy wrote: »

OK, I just looked up both Eddie Torrens and Quiggs numbers and Im going to give them a call... Ill let you know how I get on! And by the way, what you said about the oil feed hoses sounds familiar to me, so I can take some peace of mind in knowing that my friend knew what he was at!! Out of interest - Does replacing the oik feed hoses warrant a bill of €500 coming my way or were there big windows??!

Don't know about the cost but, as you mentioned, removing the engine and putting it back in takes a lot of time, 10hrs plus i'd imagine so 500 doesn't look too bad.

If you're from Kilkenny and based in the south there is no point travelling to the north for an engine if its avoidable. Better off to sit down with the yellow pages and systematically work through the breakers section looking for an engine. Shortly after I got the engine off Eddie Torrens a friend found a lower mile engine in portlaois for less money than I spent all in, I should have been more thorough with my search.

Just to mention that that engine can be found in A3's, seat leons and skoda's in the same configuration (Passats, A4's, A6's and TT's have the same basic engine but mounted differently). You will need to get the correct engine code however, that will be on your registration document.

cantdecide

Ferris wrote: »

Just to mention that that engine can be found in A3's, seat leons and skoda's in the same configuration (Passats, A4's, A6's and TT's have the same basic engine but mounted differently). You will need to get the correct engine code however, that will be on your registration document.

Or it will be on a white sticker in the boot, around the spare wheel well. It'll probably just be three letters. The last VAG car I had, had an engine code "ACK"

Ferris

cantdecide wrote: »

Or it will be on a white sticker in the boot, around the spare wheel well. It'll probably just be three letters. The last VAG car I had, had an engine code "ACK"

Yep forgot that one.

OP - there's a place in cork thats breaking a GTi:

http://www.partfinder.ie/cork-car-dismantlers/listvehiclesforbreaking.pl

miss_daisy

cantdecide wrote: »

Or it will be on a white sticker in the boot, around the spare wheel well. It'll probably just be three letters. The last VAG car I had, had an engine code "ACK"

Yeah, Ive gotten the engine code, its an AUM?

kona

Ferris wrote: »

Just to mention that that engine can be found in A3's, seat leons and skoda's in the same configuration (Passats, A4's, A6's and TT's have the same basic engine but mounted differently). You will need to get the correct engine code however, that will be on your registration document.

Thats messy, while the engine may be the same, the mounts,, clutch engine ancillaries maybe different!
If you do change it you will have to update your Log book with the new engine number. There is probably issues with insurance too.

The best option is to take the original engine out and get it fixed IMO, less hassle and probably cheaper, also buying a 2nd hand engine is mad unless your 110% confident, you have no idea of the condition or even mileage on the engine, you could be dropping 2k to replace one problem with another.

miss_daisy

kona wrote: »

Thats messy, while the engine may be the same, the mounts,, clutch engine ancillaries maybe different!
If you do change it you will have to update your Log book with the new engine number. There is probably issues with insurance too.

The best option is to take the original engine out and get it fixed IMO, less hassle and probably cheaper, also buying a 2nd hand engine is mad unless your 110% confident, you have no idea of the condition or even mileage on the engine, you could be dropping 2k to replace one problem with another.

Ive located an engine in Dublin (Swords) its from an 03 GTI with 78000miles on it, I think its a place that tows and scraps cars for the Gardai. They will give a 7day warranty with it and the price doesnt include the turbo, but I dont know if I need one?

Would I be foolish to put a different engine in on my older turbo?

Mr Benevolent

miss_daisy wrote: »

Ive located an engine in Dublin (Swords) its from an 03 GTI with 78000miles on it, I think its a place that tows and scraps cars for the Gardai. They will give a 7day warranty with it and the price doesnt include the turbo, but I dont know if I need one?

Would I be foolish to put a different engine in on my older turbo?

Your 1.8T is notorious for oil supply problems, and these problems affect the turbo worst of all. Putting your old turbo back in is a recipe for disaster. I agree with kona above, have the engine rebuilt or sell the rolling shell.

How much is it ? Can it be seen running ? Could someone do a compression test on it for you before you buy it ?

Confab

Confab wrote: »

Your 1.8T is notorious for oil supply problems, and these problems affect the turbo worst of all. Putting your old turbo back in is a recipe for disaster. I agree with kona above, have the engine rebuilt or sell the rolling shell.

So you are recommending the turbo is overhauled too ? That's another few hundred, the turbo may well be fine.