Dwarf Star

kryogen

mysterious wrote: »

Right, its not up to me to prove or teach you anything. I said that loud and clear.

so you understand someone cannot have an open discussion with you then

all you offer is slogans picked up from CT websites and youtube and a sense of self importance

mysterious

Angus Og wrote: »

That's an interesting reply. Are you saying that Nibiriu is actually going to change our minds? You mention financial meltdown and such, so I'm curious. Is this all referring to the fifth dimension? As in, not a physical death (which instantly causes a negative reaction), but a spiritual rebirth.

Nothing will change what is happening now. its up to you now to change you if you want to A. stay on this planet and ascend. B. Stay in your current vibration (which will mean your kicked off this planet to another hologram reality simalar to old earth) Or C, the earth could wiped cleaned completely and we start again, either way. This society and civilization is fail and its going to show this graphically as each passing day comes as we move forward into the next 20 years.

The fifth dimension is a step up, to where people like myself are evolving to the greater awareness around themselves and using mindfulness and consciosuness to get back who you really are and help ascend the planet to the higher vibration which is 5th density. We are in the transition period and thats why its such focking hell atm. Like the crossing every transition of your life, its always a pain in the butt.


This is a pain in the butt, because humanity is at the cross road now. Its annoying I have to tell people the obvious but It has to be done. We are al here to find our truth and because we are on the one timeline on this world, we have to do this together more than ever. Our planet is changing rapidly and your changing with by your consciousness as you become more aware. You may have already felt overwhelmed at imes, ringing in your ears, physic feelings, hunches, strange concidences and obstacles that are making you re think life. This is no coincidence and neither is time speeding up, the mayan calandar end and the physical changes now happening to our planet.

Its just a matter of wake up time for the rest of humanity at this point.

It will be very hard for anyone to deny what is going on now. Time has already sped up and its coninueing to do so right up to 2012.

It will be interesting times ahead. Nibru has little to do with changing your mind. The only affect Nibru will have is physical change to Gaia.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

It will be interesting times ahead. Nibru has little to do with changing your mind. The only affect Nibru will have is physical change to Gaia.

It would have to exist in the first place!

mysterious

kryogen wrote: »

so you understand someone cannot have an open discussion with you then

all you offer is slogans picked up from CT websites and youtube and a sense of self importance

My paitence is almost up with you. Simply because your twisting what I've said in which I made in simple terms. I don't want to have to correct you with this for a third time, but you give me no choice.

Having a discusson and conversing with adults, is not the same as someone sitting at one end of the room demanding answers and proof. If you can't discuss or share on this forum then don't ask somebody else to prove everything to you. That is whats done in a classroom where the teacher tells "what is"

Why should anyone convince or prove something to you anything, if your an adult and well capable yourself.

I mean what I said and I'd rather not take this off topic. I'm not here to try and convince you anything. If you want to share give opinion great. Nobody is stopping you, but dont sit and expect people to prove things you obviously are not willing to do research on.

I mean its not like you physicaly can't do it.

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

My paitence is almost up with you. Simply because your twisting what I've said in which I made in simple terms. I don't want to have to correct you with this for a third time, but you give me no choice.

Having a discussin and conversing with adults, is not the same as someone sitting at one end of the room demanding answers and proof. That is whats done in a classroom where the teacher tells "what is"

Why should anyone convince or prove something to you anything, if your an adult and well capable yourself.

I mean what I said and I'd rather not take this off topic. I'm not here to try and convince you anything. If you want to share give opinion great. Nobody is stopping you, but dont sit and expect people to prove things you obviously are not willing to do research on.

I mean its not like you physicaly can't do it.

Having a discussion involves asking questions and sharing information. People ask you questions but you refuse to respond typically citing 'I am not here to teach you etc'. Can you not see that by refusing to answer questions you are in effect refusing to engage in debate??

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

It would have to exist in the first place!

Not everything that exist is detectable to your naked eye and judgment.

Lets be clear about that.

Saying something doesnt exist on the matter of opinion is pretty arrogant.

Angus Og

Yeah, the answers are interesting, but I'd be a fool if I accepted them when I see no reason to. I won't dismiss the beliefs of others. All I can say is, good luck with your beliefs.

mysterious

namloc1980 wrote: »

Having a discussion involves asking questions and sharing information. People ask you questions but you refuse to respond typically citing 'I am not here to teach you etc'. Can you not see that by refusing to answer questions you are in effect refusing to engage in debate??

I don' respond to personal demands, insults, ridicule and people who are not open on the subject matter. I share information all the time and I continue to do so happily. But I will not convince you of anything. So keep asking questions and try answer some of them yourself. We are adults afterall, We are not here for you as your personal encyclopedia nor are we responsible for your demands all the time. It gets a bit tiresome when all you do is ask questions. Its not a classroom. But I'm very much aware of the value of respecting others. I adressed this already. Its very clear.

Time to move forward!

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

Not everything that exist is detectable to your naked eye and judgment.

Lets be clear about that.

Saying something doesnt exist on the matter of opinion is pretty arrogant.

Saying something does exist on the matter of opinion is equally arrogant.

So now you say Nibiru does exist but it just isn't detectable?? Please explain?

kryogen

mysterious wrote: »

My paitence is almost up with you. Simply because your twisting what I've said in which I made in simple terms. I don't want to have to correct you with this for a third time, but you give me no choice.

Having a discusson and conversing with adults, is not the same as someone sitting at one end of the room demanding answers and proof. If you can't discuss or share on this forum then don't ask somebody else to prove everything to you. That is whats done in a classroom where the teacher tells "what is"

Why should anyone convince or prove something to you anything, if your an adult and well capable yourself.

I mean what I said and I'd rather not take this off topic. I'm not here to try and convince you anything. If you want to share give opinion great. Nobody is stopping you, but dont sit and expect people to prove things you obviously are not willing to do research on.

I mean its not like you physicaly can't do it.

lol your patience is wearing thin! i love it

ill make this real simple for you since you try pretend you dont understand

person A does some research, come up with a conclusion

person B does research, comes up with different conclusion

they meet on lets say, an internet messaging board to exchange views, person A states his theory, and person B disagrees stating his theory, then person B actually provides his reasons for why he has come to his conclusion so as to further the discussion

Person A refuses to elaborate or give any reasons for why he has come to his conclusion

Discussion goes round in circles till it dies

understand?

you want open discussion, you must be open

you must have substance, im 100% sure you dont unfortunately

namloc1980

mysterious wrote: »

I don' respond to personal demands, insults, ridicule and people who are not open on the subject matter. I share information all the time and I continue to do so happily. But I will not convince you of anything. So keep asking questions and try answer some of them yourself. We are adults afterall, Orther adults here are not responsible for your demands or querys all the time. It get a bit tiresome when all you do is ask questions. Its not a classroom. But I'm very much aware of the value of respecting others. I adressed this already. Its very clear.

Time to move forward!

Indeed it does get tiresome! So basically you won't respond to or debate with those who don't agree with your view of things. Fair enough!

espinolman

What would cause massive flooding , could a star or black hole cause that , if it passed through the inner solar system very quickly ?

kryogen

espinolman wrote: »

What would cause massive flooding , could a star or black hole cause that , if it passed through the inner solar system very quickly ?

short answer

yes

namloc1980

espinolman wrote: »

What would cause massive flooding , could a star or black hole cause that , if it passed through the inner solar system very quickly ?

It would depend on how large it was and how close it would come to the Earth. Very difficult to answer really. Effects could range from nothing at all to the Earth being destroyed. Very hypothetical.

mysterious

kryogen wrote: »

lol your patience is wearing thin! i love it

ill make this real simple for you since you try pretend you dont understand

person A does some research, come up with a conclusion

person B does research, comes up with different conclusion

they meet on lets say, an internet messaging board to exchange views, person A states his theory, and person B disagrees stating his theory, then person B actually provides his reasons for why he has come to his conclusion so as to further the discussion

Person A refuses to elaborate or give any reasons for why he has come to his conclusion

Discussion goes round in circles till it dies

understand?

you want open discussion, you must be open

you must have substance, im 100% sure you dont unfortunately

Not everything in this universe is substance, this is exactly why I don't need to go to university and learn really limitating stuff and this so called "science".

As for the rest of what your postED, its seems like your beating around the bush. I made my point loud and clear, you see it for what is or your don't.

kryogen

mysterious wrote: »

Not everything in this universe is substance, this is exactly why I don't need to go to university and learn really limitating stuff and this so called "science".

As for the rest of what your postED, its seems like your beating around the bush. I made my point loud and clear, you see it for what is or your don't.

not everything in this universe is substance???

are you seriously not actually comprehending what i mean in my posts?

you have no substance, you show nothing deeper in terms of knowledge then anyone who has watched a few google videos

i gave you a simple, and i mean very simple, example of how two people have a discussion on something they research, you are unable to do this i believe as you dont actually know alot about what you say

you appear to simply know some catch phrases and slogans that are all over the usual CT websites and videos

nothing more

Kepti

mysterious wrote: »

Its not up to me to prove anything to you. And no you don't have to believe anything I say. I'm not responsible for your mind and thoughts. Its not my business what you think of me. If you think I'm a terrorist thats fine. But keep your personal beliefs to yourself. The discussion here is about sharing knowledge. Its not about your personal life, its not about my personal life. Its not about your personal beliefs, its not about my personal beliefs.

You aren't sharing knowledge though. You're sharing your personal beliefs. I don't have a problem with that, up until the point where you try to pass your beliefs off as fact.

The reason I asked you a question was because I wanted to hear your particular version. Dismissing any questions by telling people to go do some research is a cop out considering that every single conspiracy theory has countless wildly different variations.

I think kryogen was on the mark with his assessment of you. You're not interested in discussion, or differing opinions. You become evasive and irritated when questioned. Asking you to add a little substance to your posts is hardly unreasonable. Four thousand posts does not a prophet make.

Torakx

I actually enjoy reading mysterious's posts,as im sure many other regulars do including some "skeptics" who need him/her

I dont agree with everything for sure but were not expected to agree, only discuss theories revolving around conspiracies.
If somebody has a theory it ussually means they are speculating.
If anyone reading this thread thinks its totally ridiculous and has laid out the EVIDENCE to prove why then that is fair enough.Indisputable evidence should be enough to settle your own heart and not have you stressing over others.
I however enjoy this topic even though i dont think there is a dwarf star near the sun,i am happy to talk about the IDEA and not the motivations behind the poster or the persons who believe in them.
I know it sounds a bit self-righteous but its starting to feel like an interrogation room in here and this is after all a conspiracy THEORY forum.
In theory its possible to me.
I think its just highly unlikely.For some of us thats not enough to stop us from discussing it.

Also take a look at the conspiracy theory forum and see which threads are most popular and the topics.I think the majority enjoy these dicussions about "crazy" theories without having to even come to a solid conclusion.
For me this is all about expanding my creativity and personal growth.This helps with the creativity

espinolman

Chemtrails contain barium , barium absorbs radiation :
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CA0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfreedom.info%2FChemtrails%2520Barium%2520Toxicity.htm&rct=j&q=chemtrails+contain+barium&ei=pDCOS6SyKo6y0gTgvOjkDA&usg=AFQjCNHiQCmzwA3VjWX8HO5XcXOWbJMf4A&sig2=0tLxO0veC4dXY86Hky0C7g

Is there going to be a lot of radiation ?

Where will it be coming from ?

studiorat

mysterious wrote: »

. If you think I'm a terrorist thats fine. But keep your personal beliefs to yourself.....

To many people are putting a personal belief system on this subject,

mysterious wrote: »

We are a very very ignorant, apathetic society, who is totally closed to everything outside this matrix slave type reality and nothing exists outside it. 90% of people believe that there is no E.Ts about, yet UFO sightings are now at record levels to the point the mainstream media cannot ignore it anymore.

^^^personal belief?

mysterious wrote: »

People miss everything around them, because they never actually look around themselves, as themselves.

^^^ Criticizm of others beliefs...

mysterious wrote: »

Its like 9/11, JFK, fake moon landing, Nibru, Hollywood and just look at what we do everyday, we avoid responsibility, thinking, feeling, acting where ever possible. We take the easy option on every task. We have created technology soley for the purpose of not evolving but becoming more dumber and less active with our own abilities.

^^^personal belief

mysterious wrote: »

From learning to walk and talk we spent most of our lives just leaning a curiciulum based on just a lot of mis information.

^^^personal belief

mysterious wrote: »

We are having record low temputures, record numbers of earthqaukes, corruption at its peak, a finacial meltdown and half the country here at home are without jobs and Now USA threatening WW3. Yet people still go out on a friday night and again miss the obvious of whats so bloody oblivious around them.

^^^same again.

mysterious wrote: »

Nothing will change what is happening now. its up to you now to change you if you want to A. stay on this planet and ascend. B. Stay in your current vibration (which will mean your kicked off this planet to another hologram reality simalar to old earth) Or C, the earth could wiped cleaned completely and we start again, either way. This society and civilization is fail and its going to show this graphically as each passing day comes as we move forward into the next 20 years.

^^^personal belief
Of course there's also D. Nothing will happen and we'll tootle along as normal.

mysterious wrote: »

The fifth dimension is a step up, to where people like myself are evolving to the greater awareness around themselves and using mindfulness and consciosuness to get back who you really are and help ascend the planet to the higher vibration which is 5th density. We are in the transition period and thats why its such focking hell atm. Like the crossing every transition of your life, its always a pain in the butt.

^^^Personal belief?

mysterious wrote: »

Its just a matter of wake up time for the rest of humanity at this point.

Apart from what? You and David Icke.

mysterious wrote: »

It will be very hard for anyone to deny what is going on now. Time has already sped up and its coninueing to do so right up to 2012.

I'll deny it if you are saying there's a step up to the 5th dimension coming up. And I'm positive there's plenty of other open minded people who will join me.

mysterious wrote: »

Not everything in this universe is substance, this is exactly why I don't need to go to university and learn really limitating stuff and this so called "science".

The above statment is why I've gone to the trouble of posting. Nothing I've seen here is as foolish as someone having such a sense of self importance as to say they don't need education, and call science limitating! You don't know that because you've never tried. You have no experience of it. The word it limiting btw. Try a course in 5th dimensional studies you might like it.

The way I see it, you come on here spout out the latest new age rubbish that you've read from some self promoting snake oil salesman on the internet, and when you are challanged over it in an inquisitive manner, you throw your toys out of the pram. Then start preaching at people and criticize their own values and beliefs with your usual high handed manner.

Your inability to take critizicism, although you are very willing to criticize others is very telling.

Every time you post another of your ridiculous preachy self important posts telling people they have closed minds and you are privy to secret information, expect rebuttal. It will arrive.

Darlughda

Torakx wrote: »

I actually enjoy reading mysterious's posts,as im sure many other regulars do including some "skeptics" who need him/her

So did I, but Kyrogen and Studio Rat nailed it in their last couple of posts. I love hearing various different interpretations and theories but I also like humour, humility and hate being preached at.

The Bored One

Ok, supposing someone was willing to accept that there is a huge honking star that a large number of people have somehow missed seeing before in our solar system.
Whats its orbit?

RGDATA!

studiorat wrote: »

Every time you post another of your ridiculous preachy self important posts telling people they have closed minds and you are privy to secret information, expect rebuttal. It will arrive.

now you are going to get it about making "personal attacks" and how you are stalking him.

studiorat

The Bored One wrote: »

Ok, supposing someone was willing to accept that there is a huge honking star that a large number of people have somehow missed seeing before in our solar system.
Whats its orbit?

http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/nemfornem.htm

If specifically a star then the above is a link to the literature review, I dunno as of about 2002 or around then. The orbit is meant to have a period of about 26 to 30 million years. Haleys comet is about every 75 years to put it into perspecitve.

And just for good measure here's a link to an account of a Texan professor who thinks it's driven by an alien tractor beam.
http://www.asnsw.com/universe/alternate/AU6/nemesis.asp

Torakx

If the mayans were able to make a calendar that could follow the stars etc over 2500 years into the future it must mean there is a recurring cycle of some kind with planets,stars,comets etc.

If theres a recurring cycle could this be responsible for the ice ages
and any other catastrophies that wiped out species over the centuries?

Also i am interested to know or see debunked the theory that every 2500 years we go through a belt which causes alot of friction passing through.
Is it the van allen belt or something like that?

The Bored One

studiorat wrote: »

http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/nemfornem.htm

If specifically a star then the above is a link to the literature review, I dunno as of about 2002 or around then. The orbit is meant to have a period of about 26 to 30 million years. Haleys comet is about every 75 years to put it into perspecitve.

And just for good measure here's a link to an account of a Texan professor who thinks it's driven by an alien tractor beam.
http://www.asnsw.com/universe/alternate/AU6/nemesis.asp

From what they've said there, its basically "We know its there. We just don't know where"
You would think given that this star is apparently visible in the photos people are taking of it, that it would be easier to spot and track. If it can be spotted by camera, or Mark-1 Eyeball, then a telescope should have a much easier go of it.
After all, anything thats meant to block the view of these telescopes would block the other means as well.

The Bored One

Torakx wrote: »

If the mayans were able to make a calendar that could follow the stars etc over 2500 years into the future it must mean there is a recurring cycle of some kind with planets,stars,comets etc.

If theres a recurring cycle could this be responsible for the ice ages
and any other catastrophies that wiped out species over the centuries?

Also i am interested to know or see debunked the theory that every 2500 years we go through a belt which causes alot of friction passing through.
Is it the van allen belt or something like that?

I'm pretty sure thats not the Van Allen Belt you're thinking of, the Van Allen belt is meant to bands of radiation generate around the earth itself rather than something we pass through.

Torakx

I did a quick search here and there and it seems its called the Detritus belt.

Havent been able to find out if it exists yet or wether we are anywhere near it if it did exist.
But this was my main reason to suspect there was a chance of another global catastrophy from comets etc in the next 600 years or so.

Edit* just thinking it might even be that its A detritus belt and there isnt even one named ^^

Kepti

Torakx wrote: »

Also i am interested to know or see debunked the theory that every 2500 years we go through a belt which causes alot of friction passing through.
Is it the van allen belt or something like that?

What do you mean by friction? It sounds like the belt you describe is similar in composition to the asteroid belt, but outside of the solar system. Is this accurate?

The Van Allen belt is something different entirely. It's essentially a belt of charged particles trapped by the earths' magnetic field. It's always present, it's not something we pass through on our journey around the galaxy. Wikipedia has a comprehensive article which explains it better than I ever could.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

Torakx

Kepti wrote: »

What do you mean by friction? It sounds like the belt you describe is similar in composition to the asteroid belt, but outside of the solar system. Is this accurate?

I have watched a couple of those end of the world doomsday vids/lectures and one of the theories was the mayans had a calender which reset every 2500 years.And each time it would mean the end of an age.i think.During one of these i was informed that every 2500 years the earth passes through this belt which they say is going to be a rough ride as we pass through.

They said that on 21st od december 2012 when the mayan calender ends we will enter into the first phase of passing through the belt.Something like that anyway.I dont remember where i saw this i just remember the idea they had that we would be passing through a belt of cloud of some kind in 2012.This might also be linked with the theory on nibiru as i was into that at the time.