Rotations?

Overheal

Am I just being noobish in thinking its a little too dogmatic?

I mean as a Prot I must have 10-20 useful spells that I use regularly and as theyre called for. I cant imagine falling into a 969 Rotation or anything. It seems like it would feck up your response time if something unexpected were to happen - most especially in PvP.

][cEMAN**

Paladin?

SWE?

TechnoPool

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Uttik

Overheal wrote: »

Am I just being noobish in thinking its a little too dogmatic?

I mean as a Prot I must have 10-20 useful spells that I use regularly and as theyre called for. I cant imagine falling into a 969 Rotation or anything. It seems like it would feck up your response time if something unexpected were to happen - most especially in PvP.

Hi mate,


With the way Paladins are now, You use FCFS, As your spells come off CD use them.

I really love tanking on my pally, But its not as easy as alot of people seem to think, I dont even bother trying to explain to non tanks or (DPS Brain Dead morons) As i call them.

They think, If they go full out DPS on a target your not tanking, You will keep full aggro.

They don't understand what AoE tanking is. Or Tanking full stop.

Don't get stressed, Just have fun and enjoy it,

Remember, The raid/party goes as fast/slow as you want, Your the big cheese


As for rotation. It depends on what your tanking. And what type of mobs they are. The great thing about pally tanking is your not locked down to a set rotation like DK or Warrior tanks.

It also comes down to your Build.

Do some reading online, There are lots of sites, To tech you, To get the understanding of Pally tanking, They you can make your own FCFS Rotation.

hk797

Overheal wrote: »

Am I just being noobish in thinking its a little too dogmatic?

I mean as a Prot I must have 10-20 useful spells that I use regularly and as theyre called for. I cant imagine falling into a 969 Rotation or anything. It seems like it would feck up your response time if something unexpected were to happen - most especially in PvP.

Rotations are there to help learn your class. Once mastered its priorities over rotations depending on your spec, play style and situation. If your running PUGs state the kill order for your targets upfront and use an addon like Quick Mark or key bind the symbols. At the end of the day tanking is all about flow. You set the pace and others follow. If a certain DPS keeps messing with your flow then apply the "you yank it you tank it" maxim and tell your healer to let them do a corpse run.

][cEMAN**

Uttik wrote: »

With the way Paladins are now, You use FCFS, As your spells come off CD use them.

I really love tanking on my pally, But its not as easy as alot of people seem to think, I dont even bother trying to explain to non tanks or (DPS Brain Dead morons) As i call them.

They think, If they go full out DPS on a target your not tanking, You will keep full aggro.

You call yourself a pally tank? Dear jesus.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong.

The 6969 rotation or 9696 rotation aren't about just hitting a sequence of buttons to get it right, but rather to make sure that at no time you're dealing with the CD on a button for longer than necessary. Some might think "But taunt will work". Taunt will get you to the top, it won't keep you there, and it only does the dmg necessary to increase your threat if you're not being targetted.

Yes, your rotation will be different depending on the fight...the fight being trash. With trash you're more looking to blow your AOE CD's to pick up agro fast. Always go in with holy shield active, throw down concecration, get off a hammer of the righteous, and maybe even a holy wrath. If it's undead etc it's going to have more of an effect. If you hit undead early with holy wrath, it also means that others won't pull the mob(s) away from you within a few seconds, so conc has a chance to tick, and you can tab between mobs to get at least a hit or two with your seal of vengeance.

If you're doing dungeons and your gear isn't fully protecting you, you'll take an acceptable amount of damage, but that damage will mean heals - heals means mana. So with enough mana you can go with seal of vengeance. When your gear level goes up and you don't take as much damage, you start running out of mana depending on your rotation, but I find that switching to Seal of Wisdom and judgement of wisdom is the best way to go. *edit* forgot to mention that the gear upgrades will be your threat upgrade too, depending on your build *edit*

It's only Ret paladins that are FCFS, but with 3.3 there is about a 20-30 point actual rotation you can use.

Paladins are one of the best classes for gaining, and maintaining threat, but that shouldn't let you get lazy, because there are plenty of classes out there who can go over you depending on your gear, and how you use your rotations. Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of Righteousness, and Avenger's Shield are going to be your top 3 threat bringers. They're your 6's, but you need your 9's in between for a boss fight, in order to keep OTT of the ranged classes.

Get used to your 6969/9696 rotation, and keep an eye on omen with realtime on your TPS so you get used to what generates what kinda threat, and you'll learn how to keep agro on large mobs. Those unmarked large mobs often being the things that you have to actually work on.

TheDoc

I feel that rotations died alongtime ago

Now its called " priorities"

Uttik

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;64465039']You call yourself a pally tank? Dear jesus.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong.

The 6969 rotation or 9696 rotation aren't about just hitting a sequence of buttons to get it right, but rather to make sure that at no time you're dealing with the CD on a button for longer than necessary. Some might think "But taunt will work". Taunt will get you to the top, it won't keep you there, and it only does the dmg necessary to increase your threat if you're not being targetted.

Yes, your rotation will be different depending on the fight...the fight being trash. With trash you're more looking to blow your AOE CD's to pick up agro fast. Always go in with holy shield active, throw down concecration, get off a hammer of the righteous, and maybe even a holy wrath. If it's undead etc it's going to have more of an effect. If you hit undead early with holy wrath, it also means that others won't pull the mob(s) away from you within a few seconds, so conc has a chance to tick, and you can tab between mobs to get at least a hit or two with your seal of vengeance.

If you're doing dungeons and your gear isn't fully protecting you, you'll take an acceptable amount of damage, but that damage will mean heals - heals means mana. So with enough mana you can go with seal of vengeance. When your gear level goes up and you don't take as much damage, you start running out of mana depending on your rotation, but I find that switching to Seal of Wisdom and judgement of wisdom is the best way to go. *edit* forgot to mention that the gear upgrades will be your threat upgrade too, depending on your build *edit*

It's only Ret paladins that are FCFS, but with 3.3 there is about a 20-30 point actual rotation you can use.

Paladins are one of the best classes for gaining, and maintaining threat, but that shouldn't let you get lazy, because there are plenty of classes out there who can go over you depending on your gear, and how you use your rotations. Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of Righteousness, and Avenger's Shield are going to be your top 3 threat bringers. They're your 6's, but you need your 9's in between for a boss fight, in order to keep OTT of the ranged classes.

Get used to your 6969/9696 rotation, and keep an eye on omen with realtime on your TPS so you get used to what generates what kinda threat, and you'll learn how to keep agro on large mobs. Those unmarked large mobs often being the things that you have to actually work on.

As always, You show you dont have a Fecking clue what your talking about

You still upset i kicked you from the guild Its ok mate, Maybe one day you will be good enough to join us.

.....................................


But i am not going to hold my breath

TechnoPool

Uttik wrote: »

As always, You show you dont have a Fecking clue what your talking about

You still upset i kicked you from the guild Its ok mate, Maybe one day you will be good enough to join us.

.....................................


But i am not going to hold my breath

lol inform me of this drama!

Dustaz

/popcorn

Splinter

Uttik wrote: »

As always, You show you dont have a Fecking clue what your talking about

You still upset i kicked you from the guild Its ok mate, Maybe one day you will be good enough to join us.

.....................................


But i am not going to hold my breath

Paladin tank here in an icecrown raiding guild and what he says is right mate, you *can* tank as FCFS but you wont get comfy threat to be honest. I tried it a few times as both and using a standard 6969/9696 rotation will help. if you want some help with threat building and your gear isnt a problem, then drop the dodge libram and pick up the ilevel 245 retri (strength on corruption/vengance tick) libram and get that bit more dps out for more threat.

i don't have an issue with the rotation, hell theres macros out there that do it all for you on mouse buttons but if you get good at building threat then you will find yourself quickly able to adapt to any situation and tank it well (ninja pulls, extra mobs,the lot)

ill post up my rotation later for you if you want but I've a feeling this thread will just turn to **** anyway

][cEMAN**

Any chance an admin can remove the trade chat from the thread, and leave the comments that help people interested in rotations (and why to use them) for paladin tanks?

There are admins on this forum right?

Overheal

Ah leave them.

PvP rotations?

Uttik

Splinter wrote: »

Paladin tank here in an icecrown raiding guild and what he says is right mate, you *can* tank as FCFS but you wont get comfy threat to be honest. I tried it a few times as both and using a standard 6969/9696 rotation will help. if you want some help with threat building and your gear isnt a problem, then drop the dodge libram and pick up the ilevel 245 retri (strength on corruption/vengance tick) libram and get that bit more dps out for more threat.

i don't have an issue with the rotation, hell theres macros out there that do it all for you on mouse buttons but if you get good at building threat then you will find yourself quickly able to adapt to any situation and tank it well (ninja pulls, extra mobs,the lot)

ill post up my rotation later for you if you want but I've a feeling this thread will just turn to **** anyway

Cheers for that mate,

I am always open to information that would improve my TPS!

But i just want to say, I don't have problems with TPS. All tho. I was in ICC with another Portpally. His gear was a bit better, But he was pumping out some nice TPS!.

I used the 6969/9696, But i found depending on the pull, I just use something like FCFS, I don't get locked down to a set rotation. It all depends on the pull tbh.

Cheers

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;64465039']You call yourself a pally tank? Dear jesus.

I'm sorry but that's completely wrong.

The 6969 rotation or 9696 rotation aren't about just hitting a sequence of buttons to get it right, but rather to make sure that at no time you're dealing with the CD on a button for longer than necessary. Some might think "But taunt will work". Taunt will get you to the top, it won't keep you there, and it only does the dmg necessary to increase your threat if you're not being targetted.

Yes, your rotation will be different depending on the fight...the fight being trash. With trash you're more looking to blow your AOE CD's to pick up agro fast. Always go in with holy shield active, throw down concecration, get off a hammer of the righteous, and maybe even a holy wrath. If it's undead etc it's going to have more of an effect. If you hit undead early with holy wrath, it also means that others won't pull the mob(s) away from you within a few seconds, so conc has a chance to tick, and you can tab between mobs to get at least a hit or two with your seal of vengeance.

If you're doing dungeons and your gear isn't fully protecting you, you'll take an acceptable amount of damage, but that damage will mean heals - heals means mana. So with enough mana you can go with seal of vengeance. When your gear level goes up and you don't take as much damage, you start running out of mana depending on your rotation, but I find that switching to Seal of Wisdom and judgement of wisdom is the best way to go. *edit* forgot to mention that the gear upgrades will be your threat upgrade too, depending on your build *edit*

It's only Ret paladins that are FCFS, but with 3.3 there is about a 20-30 point actual rotation you can use.

Paladins are one of the best classes for gaining, and maintaining threat, but that shouldn't let you get lazy, because there are plenty of classes out there who can go over you depending on your gear, and how you use your rotations. Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of Righteousness, and Avenger's Shield are going to be your top 3 threat bringers. They're your 6's, but you need your 9's in between for a boss fight, in order to keep OTT of the ranged classes.

Get used to your 6969/9696 rotation, and keep an eye on omen with realtime on your TPS so you get used to what generates what kinda threat, and you'll learn how to keep agro on large mobs. Those unmarked large mobs often being the things that you have to actually work on.

It's funny, everytime somebody has a technique, a playstyle or a rotation that works for them, you claim they are wrong. You seem to think you are the ultimate guru when it comes to WoW. You are not, you do not know everything about the game, you don't know every class and everything about every spec. Stop claiming you do, it's getting old. Everyone has their own playing style, they have their own rotations and if it works for them how the fcuk are they wrong?

You are not correct, so please stop telling everyone they are wrong. Good lad...

Nehaxak

Rotations are easy enough to master on a Resto Shaman...

1. Chain Heal

...wait a few seconds...

2. Chain Heal

...stay calm...

3. Chain Heal

...don't panic...

4. Chain Heal

...take it easy now...

5. Chain Heal

...bit of a close one there...

6. Chain Heal

...ffs man calm down...

7. Chain Heal

...STOP IT STOP THE SHOUTING IN MY HEAD...

8. Chain Heal

...ooh what's this button do...

9. Chain Heal

...Right, I'm going to end this ten step rotation with a little beauty...

10. Chain Heal

Feck off

Shougeki

Pretty much the same as mutilate rogue.

Do you have 4+ combo points?

Yes -> Envenom
No -> Mutilate

red_ice

TheDoc wrote: »

I feel that rotations died alongtime ago

Now its called " priorities"

I cant say they died, i think its dependant on your class really. My enhancement shammy just has to fire off lightening bolt when maelstrom is ready, that depends on how many times you land lavalash and stormstrike.

for him te priority is lightening bolt, stormstrike, eathshock, lavalash depending on whats on cooldown

Anti

They really did die a long time ago now.

For hunters more so then anyone, no infact you don't even need to have a priority anymore you can simply mash the keyboard like a bafoon and still come top on the dps charts without even trying. And im not really saying hunters had much fo a rotation to begin with. Yes i know there is more to it like watching for procs and then using the right ability and timing your **** but at the end of the day all HUR DUURRR DERP DEEEEEERRRRRRRRRP.

Shougeki

Anti wrote: »

They really did die a long time ago now.

For hunters more so then anyone, no infact you don't even need to have a priority anymore you can simply mash the keyboard like a bafoon and still come top on the dps charts without even trying. And im not really saying hunters had much fo a rotation to begin with. Yes i know there is more to it like watching for procs and then using the right ability and timing your **** but at the end of the day all HUR DUURRR DERP DEEEEEERRRRRRRRRP.

The hunter we had yest in VoA10 just proved you completely wrong. ridiculous gear, pulled 3.5K DPS. Im pretty sure i can come close to that on auto-attack

2 Espressi

I must be doing something wrong with me Resto rotation (sorry, priority list) all this time, I've been popping earthshields and casting Riptide, what a waste! Guess I'll just /follow the tank and record a macro to cast CH and LHW alterntively every 5 seconds from now on!

I quit my hunter becasue it got so monotonous, I had everything macro'd onto one key, and it still worked! Mark/pettattack then /Sting/Concussion/Steady/Steady/Arcane, swap to multishot if anything was on CD, AotV when the low mana alert went off, Feign if you're in trouble, ad nauseum.

It did make mining an awful lot easier though...

Anti

Yeah i know, i dont know what was up with him. Fool should go ahead and just delete his account, throw his pc away and cry in the corner.

Shougeki

What do you get when you put four emo kids in a room?

One goes and kills himself cos he has no corner to cry in....

Anti

2 Espressi wrote: »

I must be doing something wrong with me Resto rotation (sorry, priority list) all this time, I've been popping earthshields and casting Riptide, what a waste! Guess I'll just /follow the tank and record a macro to cast CH and LHW alterntively every 5 seconds from now on!
.

You, good sire. Clearly have no idea how to play a resto shammy, i can tell this by you adding in lesser healing wave. Just macro CH to every key and mouse button. Then you will build a wall around your keyboard and mouse and fill said wall with a few small animals... Gerbils perhaps..

Uttik

Anti wrote: »

You, good sire. Clearly have no idea how to play a resto shammy, i can tell this by you adding in lesser healing wave. Just macro CH to every key and mouse button. Then you will build a wall around your keyboard and mouse and fill said wall with a few small animals... Gerbils perhaps..

#

You giving advice on keybindings.. Shocking :P


As for Paladin Rotation, I have been playing around with it, And what i said at the start is right,

But then again thats what makes a good tank, Known what rotation to use and when.

I love the fact you are not locked down to a set rotation like my DK!.

Its so funny, I tank a raid on my Pally then jump on to my DK to tank and it feels so erm!! Fecked up.



But i got to agree with what has been said. Its down to each other's play style.

Yes some rotations give better DPS/TPS but there is no WRONG rotation, Just bad ones.


As for this fool, Who thinks he is the dogs bollox .....


PS:: Your not getting invited to the Guild again, So please stop begging for invites.

Magill

Been enjoying raiding on my ele shaman last few months, not as simple as it used to be. Rotation is priority based to a point, but really all depends on your haste values at the time.

Anti

Have to agree with Uttik on the whole rotation malarky. But he's still a bollocks

][cEMAN**

Uttik wrote: »

#As for this fool, Who thinks he is the dogs bollox .....


PS:: Your not getting invited to the Guild again, So please stop begging for invites.

Wow. Once again you're attacking me on boards. It's good to know i'm on your mind so much. It's kinda flattering. Though I have enough stalkers, I don't need another.

I asked for an invite to a guild that you just happen to be in. If you're running it, then it was the wrong choice asking for an invite. Or maybe you just think you're running it?

And I am actually right on the rotation for paladin tanks. I'll state the point again clearly - the 696 rotation is in place to minimize the CDs on casts so that you maintain a steady threat, and it doesn't drop off for a second when someone spikes a crit and goes over you, or multiple people eg. multiple warlocks all pushing for the top dps spot, and not concerned about using their threat CDs.

Here's just one of the many threads explaining that to new paladin tanks

I'll quote a line from it you may find disturbing...

The 969 rotation can be mathematically proven to be the best possible TPS rotation

I guess you could just use FCFS, and then blame the dps for not watching their agro :rolleyes:

To be honest, you can tank whatever you think is best, but i'm going to keep stating the point on the paladin 696 rotation, because I don't think it's fair having people come here asking for help and being given the wrong advice purely because of people's unwillingness to accept facts given by people they don't like. There may be other classes or other builds (example ret) where FCFS is the way it is, but with prot pallies, 696/969 is the best way to gain threat.

Splinter

one thing, utilk, you said yourself
"theres no such thing as the wrong rotations, just bad ones" - yeah, if its not doing enough agro and you lose agro then its pretty bad... so iceman posted stating the 696 rotation is good for gaining agro and maintaining it.

tman

Uttik and **iceman - both of you just leave it before I have to start deleting posts.
**iceman (and everybody else really) if you want a mod to do something about a post, please report it instead of complaining about it on thread...

I'm going to leave the thread as it is for now, but I'll be keeping an eye on how it develops

Shougeki

tman wrote: »

Uttik and **iceman - both of you just leave it before I have to start deleting posts.
**iceman (and everybody else really) if you want a mod to do something about a post, please report it instead of complaining about it on thread...

I'm going to leave the thread as it is for now, but I'll be keeping an eye on how it develops

Aw. I had just put my popcorn in the microwave

Anti

/thread

Ivan

696 has been THE paladin tank rotation since paladin's last pass. If you think otherwise then kudos to you. You are wrong, but at least you are a free spirit. Way to fight the powah.

Rotations come about because they are the most efficient use of global cooldowns. People far smarter and far more anal than you or I create spreadsheets of numbers and compare one to the other. The best one becomes the commonly accepted rotation.

Yes, you can go against the grain if you wish. Go crazy and do whatever the hell you want. What you can't do is say that, "My rotation is better than the one EVERYONE else uses, or at least just as good". It isn't, or it would be the one being used by the majority of good raiders.

Also, I must admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Anti is on Uttik's side in this. I thought you had learned this lesson the hard way.

And without trying to sound elitist though I almost certainly will, if you are having no problems with threat without a 696 rotation, then that is one of two possible reasons...
A) Your entire DPS sucks - either through gear or through basic skill.
You are using 696 without even consciously realising it.

][cEMAN**

To reiterate, it's about giving people the best factual information rather than just opinion, or trying to win an argument.

When I first started tanking I thought my method of going in with the biggest threat dealers and then just working randomly on CDs was the way to go, but I found out about 696 early enough to correct myself before I got into a bad habit. So yeah, at one point I thought I was right about it when I really wasn't - but I can admit that I was wrong. Now i'm just passing on what's been passed on to me.

Ivan

Anti wrote: »

Ah you want to go back to this old chestnut Ivan, are you sure about that? I understand you are a mod here, and this will more then likely get me banned.. But **** me, you really have your head firmly wedged up your hole. Do you get some type of power trip hard-on when you act like a pompus bellend, are you sitting there now rubbing one out while thinking "Har Har Har, i sure did show those people on the internets"

/careface tbh

That's exactly how it happened and one more for your nerdrage rant. ^^ :rolleyes:

Uttik

Ivan wrote: »

696 has been THE paladin tank rotation since paladin's last pass. If you think otherwise then kudos to you. You are wrong, but at least you are a free spirit. Way to fight the powah.

Rotations come about because they are the most efficient use of global cooldowns. People far smarter and far more anal than you or I create spreadsheets of numbers and compare one to the other. The best one becomes the commonly accepted rotation.

Yes, you can go against the grain if you wish. Go crazy and do whatever the hell you want. What you can't do is say that, "My rotation is better than the one EVERYONE else uses, or at least just as good". It isn't, or it would be the one being used by the majority of good raiders.

Also, I must admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Anti is on Uttik's side in this. I thought you had learned this lesson the hard way.

And without trying to sound elitist though I almost certainly will, if you are having no problems with threat without a 696 rotation, then that is one of two possible reasons...
A) Your entire DPS sucks - either through gear or through basic skill.
You are using 696 without even consciously realising it.

I got to say, I have seen your "advice" If you want to call it that, on other class's and it made me laugh!

People like you are so funny, You are what makes the world a very interesting place. And i thank you for that.

But i got to say, You are a

"I'll get banned"

I really really cba to get in to a tit for tat debate. There would be no enjoyment in showing you up for the %$^$" you are.


But simply put you and Iceman are just :rolleyes:

---

PS:: I would recommend you do some reading on class Mechanics, Instead of leeching off others hard work.

---

PPS:: Iceman,

The guild voted not to let you in, Not just me. So don't flatter you're self, And stop sending /tells to members, begging its really sad.

---

/end

Ivan

Fine, don't get involved in a constructive debate where we might all learn something, or "tit for tat debate" as you prefer to call it. Fine with me, take my advice or leave it, I've never even heard of you before this thread so I'm not particularly bothered.

Continue on the path of making/insinuating insulting remarks against other posters and you will be banned from the forum. Simple as. That isn't a power-trip, I've never banned someone from a forum that I moderated when they abused me personally (unless I was the only moderator of that forum) and I don't intend to start now. T-man can look at all these posts and make his own mind up. I'm merely reiterating the forum policy for you as you seem to have missed it.

Magill

Only way to sort this... everyone post there Gear score highest wins (Obviously anti cant be included since hes got 2 alts with over 5600 gs !).

Everyone needs to stop pretending wow is a hard game, from what i've seen Iceman is correct on the rotation front.. now stop whining Uttik, everyone knows your the best wow player on these forums, can stop trying to prove it, your UI owns everyones, your knowledge of class mechanic's is second to none and your guild leadership is ze best ! /sarcasm

Uttik

Magill wrote: »

Only way to sort this... everyone post there Gear score highest wins (Obviously anti cant be included since hes got 2 alts with over 5600 gs !).

Everyone needs to stop pretending wow is a hard game, from what i've seen Iceman is correct on the rotation front.. now stop whining Uttik, everyone knows your the best wow player on these forums, can stop trying to prove it, your UI owns everyones, your knowledge of class mechanic's is second to none and your guild leadership is ze best ! /sarcasm

LoL!

I couldn't put it better myself!



Even tho you are saying it to be a funny cnut.


Anyways, the fun is gone out of this.


later!


PS:: Ivan, I have been reading the boards for a long time, We even met i think once or twice! And i would gladly say it to you're face! or any other self Righteous fool. What i thought of them, So don't flatter you're self like Iceman, You're not worth any personally attention

Magill

Uttik wrote: »

PS:: Ivan, I have been reading the boards for a long time, We even met i think once or twice! And i would gladly say it to you're face! or any other self Righteous fool. What i thought of them, So don't flatter you're self like Iceman, You're not worth any personally attention

And then punch him in the face and stamp all over his face while shouting "LOL YOU SUCK AT WOW,NOOB!" ?

Uttik

Magill wrote: »

And then punch him in the face and stamp all over his face while shouting "LOL YOU SUCK AT WOW,NOOB!" ?

:rolleyes:

Ivan

Uttik wrote: »

PS:: Ivan, I have been reading the boards for a long time, We even met i think once or twice! And i would gladly say it to you're face! or any other self Righteous fool. What i thought of them, So don't flatter you're self like Iceman, You're not worth any personally attention

Err... right. I still have no idea who you are, but good for you!

WellyJ

I have no opinion on the matter but just want to say this.

Uttik, please learn when it is correct to use "you're"

Uttik

WellyJ wrote: »

I have no opinion on the matter but just want to say this.

Uttik, please learn when it is correct to use "you're"

Thanks for the Grammar lesson :P

Kinetic^

Take your trolling elsewhere. Anti infracted for personal abuse.

Ivan

7 day suspension for Anti for personal abuse (and not the first offense on these forums)
3 day suspension for Uttik for personal abuse.

Thread reopened because I won't let the few dictate what threads continue on these forums and which ones must be closed due to muppetism.

][ceman and I_am_Xavier, careful now.

Spam removed. Have a nice day.

Magill

owned

kayos

Hmmm playing since vanilla, rotations were always the way to go. As where those nerdy spreedsheets spoken of. After all end game raiding in WoW is just one big maths equation and a little skill.

Frope

Why is everyone so bitter here someone beat somebody else to a server first? Also saying you would say this to someoneS face in real life is honestly cringeworthy.

Back to the point of priorities if you feel good doing what you're doing there's no problem with that but if you want the best possible rotation priority list it's already done up for you on spreadsheets and sites like EJ by people with way to much time on their hands but if they all say 696 or whatever is the best for pally tanks keeping threat why bother argue in the end you're most likely going to be wrong. I've heard of EJ being wrong twice once with yogg+0 and the other was when a feral dps from ensidia did his own spreadsheets and had worked out a slightly better cat dps system. One was a miscalculation on group dps to get down a hardmode the other was one worlds first player managing to squeeze out more dps onreadsheet than another.

So unless you're using spreadsheets and competing for world first hardmodes I'm going to go with spreadsheets and simulators accounting for every possible detail on the best possible system not your "969/696 feels odd I go with my feel you can't tell me 969 is better" yes yes they can cold hard numbers will always win out in WoW.

I sound elitist but I'm not really bothered If you want to get the most out of your class there is always a best possible way of doing it without exception.

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kayos wrote: »

After all end game raiding in WoW is just one big maths equation and a little skill.

/agree

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Let me just say that "cookie cutter" rotations do not work for everyone, they do not facilitate everybodies playing style etc etc.

Some people come on here and think that one way is the only way and if you are doing it another way, then you are doing it wrong. You need to tell them people to go jump.

Many times I have come accross people saying "OMG WTF!!!1 you don't use >insert move< or >insert spell<" when I say no, they go on a rant that I am crap and don't know how to tank, yet, I ask them "have you pulled aggro? Has anybody? No? Then what exactly are you talking about"...

Each to their own I say, if it works for you and you do your job right then why change that?

People posting here, saying their way is the one and only way is a complete load of crap and is the height of ignorance. That type of elitest crap needs to be left at the door, along with the ego and attitude.