Girl Buried Alive In Honour Killing Horror

techdiver

16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in a gruesome Turkish honour killing - because she befriended boys.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Turkey-Honour-Killing-Medine-Memi-16-Buried-Alive-By-Relatives-For-Having-Male-Friends/Article/201002115542711?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15542711_Turkey_Honour_Killing%3A_Medine_Memi%2C_16%2C_Buried_Alive_By_Relatives_For_Having_Male_Friends

Sickening!

helimachoptor

Honestly thats f**king taking the pi$$ altogether, do decent muslims not get fed up of this $hit.

Mmmmm bbq

Hank_Jones

WTF is wrong with people!

We need some superheroes.

Pedro K

Cue another argument about sharia law and islamic practises etc...

I for one amen't surprised that it's happened in an islamic community.

jhegarty

helimachoptor wrote: »

Honestly thats f**king taking the pi$$ altogether, do decent muslims not get fed up of this $hit.

They don't support this as

"Medine's father and grandfather have been arrested and jailed pending trial over her killing, the agency said."

This isn't a religious thing , it's child murders hiding behind religion.

Horsefumbler

Gotta respect their culture innit

prinz

helimachoptor wrote: »

Honestly thats f**king taking the pi$$ altogether, do decent muslims not get fed up of this $hit.

It has less to do with Islam and more to do with culture and society. However you're right, these cultures which engage in this sort of barbarism aren't going to listen to westerners condemnation. They would listen to being condemned by others in the Islamic world. That however is not going to happen unfortunately.

At least in Turkey justice will be served.

homerjay2005

Animals. the amount of sickening sh*te that goes on in this world is appaling. at least some people are standing up to it and it makes the news, which may help to stop it, but god only knows what we dont know and never will hear about...

at times like this, im happy we live in a country and culture thats knows, by in large, the difference between right and wrong. we have our scumbags, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong...

hope the c*nts are buried alive themselves.

Catenaccio!

Ha, homerjay2005 failing big time with that last sentence.

Xluna

I can't believe I'm agreeing with the Pope but...I really do not want to see Turkey in the E.U.

Minstrel27

They want to join the EU? They should be told to feck off.

Gone Drinking

Anyone else just fill up with rage reading that?

CreepingDeath

Should there not be a "Moral Outrage" forum for this sort of thing ?

paperclip2

FFS! :mad:

jhegarty

Minstrel27 wrote: »

They want to join the EU? They should be told to feck off.

Because there was a sick twisted murder there ?

We have those too you know.

irishconvert

helimachoptor wrote: »

Honestly thats f**king taking the pi$$ altogether, do decent muslims not get fed up of this $hit.

Obviously they do, hence the father and grandfather have been arrested.

Tabnabs

homerjay2005 wrote: »

at times like this, im happy we live in a country and culture thats knows, by in large, the difference between right and wrong. we have our scumbags, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong...

I don't think you can shine any sort of light on the moral compass of Ireland. History (even recent history) has shown how evil our fellow countrymen and women can be.

paperclip2

jhegarty wrote: »

Because there was a sick twisted murder there ?

We have those too you know.

No but because they have a widespread religion which they use to justify this sort of thing. One could imagine that there would have been a level of support for the actions of the father and grandfather although maybe not publicly expressed.

Sanjuro

helimachoptor wrote: »

Honestly thats f**king taking the pi$$ altogether, do decent muslims not get fed up of this $hit.

Of course they do. But the news is wildly disproportionate. Nothing sells like outrage, and that's all the news wants to peddle. You find a story that portrays Muslims, or in fact, anyone who's got controversy surrounding them in a positive light, and I guarantee you, none of the news outlets will cover it.

Wazdakka

I for one, fully support Turkey's application to be a full member of the European Union.

With interesting things like this going on, What a great addition they would make..

[/Enough sarcasm to kill a small horse]

jhegarty

paperclip2 wrote: »

No but because they have a widespread religion which they use to justify this sort of thing. One could imagine that there would have been a level of support for the actions of the father and grandfather although maybe not publicly expressed.

As they are both sitting in a jail cell tonight I can't agree.

Religion is only the excuse , 99.99999999% of Muslims didn't burn their daughter last night.

Mike 1972

Pedro K wrote: »

I for one amen't surprised that it's happened in an islamic community.

Nowhere in the article does it specify the perpetrators religion

Sanjuro

at times like this, im happy we live in a country and culture thats knows, by in large, the difference between right and wrong. we have our scumbags, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong...

ORLY? ORLY? ORLY?

irishconvert

paperclip2 wrote: »

No but because they have a widespread religion which they use to justify this sort of thing.

There is NOTHING WHATSOEVER in Islam to justify this. In fact if you (or they had) read the Qur'an you find that they will be punished severly by God for doing this. Please educate yourself.

prinz

Sanjuro wrote: »

You find a story that portrays Muslims, or in fact, anyone who's got controversy surrounding them in a positive light, and I guarantee you, none of the news outlets will cover it.

You mean like this one.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8455897.stm Yup it was fairly well covered. How's that 'guarantee' looking?

paperclip2

jhegarty wrote: »

As they are both sitting in a jail cell tonight I can't agree.

Religion is only the excuse , 99.99999999% of Muslims didn't burn their daughter last night.

But a form of that religion created an environment where this act was a possibility.

helimachoptor

Sanjuro wrote: »

Of course they do. But the news is wildly disproportionate. Nothing sells like outrage, and that's all the news wants to peddle. You find a story that portrays Muslims, or in fact, anyone who's got controversy surrounding them in a positive light, and I guarantee you, none of the news outlets will cover it.

irishconvert wrote: »

Obviously they do, hence the father and grandfather have been arrested.

I'm just wondering why some Ayatollah or something doesnt come out and condemn this type of act, just baffles me

Riddle101

It's sickening but at least the father and grandfather have been arrested, rather then allowing them to go free, like some other countries have done in the Middle East. Wasn't there a case two weeks ago where a woman got raped and was actually arrested instead, while the rapist get's to go free.

strobe

irishconvert wrote: »

There is NOTHING WHATSOEVER in Islam to justify this. In fact if you (or they had) read the Qur'an you find that they will be punished severly by God for doing this. Please educate yourself.

Yeah but man you're obviously going to say that because you don't want us finding out about the other secret qur'an that tells how you guys plan to bury all our daughters next. Sly one.

irishconvert

paperclip2 wrote: »

But a form of that religion created an environment where this act was a possibility.

What?!! Are you serious? How did Islam create this? Murdering any innocent person is a serious crime.

paperclip2

irishconvert wrote: »

There is NOTHING WHATSOEVER in Islam to justify this. In fact if you (or they had) read the Qur'an you find that they will be punished severly by God for doing this. Please educate yourself.

I said it was used as a justification. I never said it was an aspect or tenet of the religion itself. Its the same thing with Christianity and the Crusades. Jesus didn't call for an invasion but the religion was used as the spur and excuse.

irishconvert

helimachoptor wrote: »

I'm just wondering why some Ayatollah or something doesnt come out and condemn this type of act, just baffles me

They do, it is just usually not widly reported. There are hundreds of Islamic leaders who condemed 9/11 for example but most people don't know about it.

irishconvert

paperclip2 wrote: »

I said it was used as a justification. I never said it was an aspect or tenet of the religion itself. Its the same thing with Christianity and the Crusades. Jesus didn't call for an invasion but the religion was used as the spur and excuse.

You seem to know a lot more about this case than the SKY do. Can you fill us in on how you know 1) They are even Muslims and 2)How they used Islam to justify this?

irishconvert

strobe wrote: »

Yeah but man you're obviously going to say that because you don't want us finding out about the other secret qur'an that tells how you guys plan to bury all our daughters next. Sly one.

Awh ****, we've been found out!

Mike 1972

paperclip2 wrote: »

But a form of that religion created an environment where this act was a possibility.

(Cough) clerical child abuse (cough)

pablomakaveli

Absolutely sickening stuff. Someone who can easily go about killing their own child/grandchild over something so trivial is pure evil.

techdiver

Riddle101 wrote: »

It's sickening but at least the father and grandfather have been arrested, rather then allowing them to go free, like some other countries have done in the Middle East. Wasn't there a case two weeks ago where a woman got raped and was actually arrested instead, while the rapist get's to go free.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055791867

paperclip2

irishconvert wrote: »

What?!! Are you serious? How did Islam create this? Murdering any innocent person is a serious crime.

Look I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is my issue with a religion is when it appears to do nothing to reclaim itself from those who twist it and use some or all of its teaching so selectively that it can be used as a justification or cover for such vile acts. I'm not trying to have a pop at Islam solely. Its a problem with a lot of religions.

MikeC101

irishconvert wrote: »

You seem to know a lot more about this case than the SKY do. Can you fill us in on how you know 1) They are even Muslims

The majority of Kurds are Muslims, honour killings seem to predominantly take place in Islamic communities, it's a fair assumption.

Edit: Some of the reports actually are saying she was a Muslim

Reganio 2

People would be giving out if they killed her.

irishconvert

paperclip2 wrote: »

Look I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is my issue with a religion is when it appears to do nothing to reclaim itself from those who twist it and use some or all of its teaching so selectively that it can be used as a justification or cover for such vile acts. I'm not trying to have a pop at Islam solely. Its a problem with a lot of religions.

Ok fair enough, but I disagree the religions do nothing to reclaim themselves from those who twist it. Priests speak against this stuff all the time. So do Imams in the Mosque.

irishconvert

MikeC101 wrote: »

The majority of Kurds are Muslims, honour killings seem to predominantly take place in Islamic communities, it's a fair assumption.

Ok, and point 2? How did they use Islam as a justification for this murder of this innocent girl.

Ciaran187

paperclip2 wrote: »

Look I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is my issue with a religion is when it appears to do nothing to reclaim itself from those who twist it and use some or all of its teaching so selectively that it can be used as a justification or cover for such vile acts. I'm not trying to have a pop at Islam solely. Its a problem with a lot of religions.

I think I understand what you're saying. It's not justification for the act, but the people who commit such vile acts are claiming it's because their own interpritation of their religion says so.

Would that be correct?

sorry to be slightly off topic but I thought I'd throw in this little gem. The bible is against churches. It says not to gather to praise god but to praise him in how you live your life and appreciate and give thanks for what he has provided for us. Yet the entire faith revolves around churches. Mis-interpritation? The vatican figured it's a good way to make money? Who knows - the point I'm putting accross here is we chose not to listen to something in the bible - the basis of our own religion.

Granted it's not as extreme as this and I'm not drawing any comparison but it's something to keep in mind. Who decides which bits of the bible are important / more important than others?

MikeC101

irishconvert wrote: »

Ok, and point 2? How did they use Islam as a justification for this murder of this innocent girl.

I didn't offer an opinion on point 2, I was addressing point 1.

I'm just saying that in the context - an honour killing taking place in a Kurdish area of Turkey (or Kurdistan, if you like) - it's not really unreasonable to make the assumption that the people involved are Muslims, given the demographics of the region, and the phenomenon of honour killings predominantly taking place in Muslim communities.

I'm not saying Islam is to blame in any way.

plein de force

the shock, horror and anger i felt whilst reading that are not conveyable through words :mad::eek:

Herb Powell

Hank_Jones wrote: »

WTF is wrong with people!

We need some superheroes.

Team America, perhaps?

prinz

irishconvert wrote: »

Ok, and point 2? How did they use Islam as a justification for this murder of this innocent girl.

It is usually associated with the killings because in the vast majority of cases it is the only common denominator in these murders, from the USA, to Britain, to Germany, to Jordan, to Bangladesh, to Turkey.. by and large those who have claimed to have perpetrated an "honour killing" share only one thing in common.. their religion. That's not to say honour killings are confined to any one grouping or religion.

ItisintheSTARS

As ar as I know it was the attack on JERUSALEM which is both Christian and Jewish
which the Crusaders were protecting against an Islamic Invasion.
If they had not done so you would probably have grown up as a Moslem,and all of Europe too.
So could you please attack the Church if you must with correct information.
And Jesus was not a HIPPY He stated that he expected followers to DIE if necessary
for the Higher cause.

Mike 1972

techdiver wrote: »

16-year-old girl was buried alive by relatives in a gruesome Turkish honour killing - because she befriended boys

MikeC101 wrote: »

The majority of Kurds are Muslims, honour killings seem to predominantly take place in Islamic communities, it's a fair assumption.

Since we cant even be consistent in our assumptions regarding her ethnicity lets not make assumptions about peoples religion ?

Thomas828

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk would have been just as sickened as any of us. This is the kind of barbarism he hated and wanted to eradicate when he founded the modern state of Turkey in 1924.