Clare GAA discussion thread

Amprodude

Noveight wrote: »

Took last years all ireland champions almost three hours of hurling to beat them by a single score. There are promising signs there, I believe the future is bright for this current group.

I think the same was thought in 2013 when they won the All Ireland. They werent seen again until 2018. Doesn't work like that all the time.

Noveight

Amprodude wrote: »

I think the same was thought in 2013 they won the All Ireland. werent seen again until 2018.

Time is all that will tell, raw talent is certainly there. Bit more consistency and a better sense of direction and we’d be motoring.

awec

Clare's problem is in the top six inches. More composure and better decision making. The talent appears to be there.

Amprodude

Noveight wrote: »

Time is all that will tell, raw talent is certainly there. Bit more consistency and a better sense of direction and we’d be motoring.

talent is certainly there and Clare are a good team.

Hidalgo

Amprodude wrote: »

First 25 mins on both games they were destroyed and 2 games v Cork this year. They are very beatable.

Every team is very beatable. Thats what makes this year's championship so exciting.
Before last weekend I'd have rated Galway as a step ahead of the rest, and even a few steps ahead of Clare.

BloodyBill

Yeah Clare are very talented. No lack of ability. It's just the top 6 inches like the above poster said. I have no problem with O Donnells ,Galvins, Moreys decision making but some of the backs are silly as goats.

sliabh 1956

Limerick will win the All Ireland unless Galway start hurling for the whole 70 mins
Clare had them on the ropes and Limerick are far better than Clare at this moment in time especially when you take their bench into consideration. Galway seem to think that they have a divine right to win games it must be very fustrating for a galway fan to watch their team play with a nonchalant approach to the game at times. Limerick might not be so accommodating the next day

Reputable Rog

Clare team( some of them) dropped to the train station by bus, the rest walked. Train to Limerick and then bus to Ennis. Bizzare.
Galway with outriders out the Holycross road, what in the name of god is going on?

deaddonkey15

We really do play some suicidal hurling at times. Couple that with our usual tendency to hit a shocking amount of wides and it makes it very difficult to win any championship match. Yet there was only 1 point between us today. Very frustrating. If we could actually put together a solid 70 minute performance we'd blow away any side in the country.

I genuinely believe we'd have won the All-Ireland if we beat Galway today. Very disappointing.

BloodyBill

Clare always travel by train when they can.

BloodyBill

What happened David McInerney? He used be so good and now is a liability. Pushing his man in the back for no reason...giving hospital passes left,right and centre. I think he needs a long holiday.

windy shepard henderson

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Clare team( some of them) dropped to the train station by bus, the rest walked. Train to Limerick and then bus to Ennis. Bizzare.
Galway with outriders out the Holycross road, what in the name of god is going on?

they usually travel by train as mentioned above , it probably makes more sense given how bad traffic can be at times down there

meriwether

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We really do play some suicidal hurling at times. Couple that with our usual tendency to hit a shocking amount of wides and it makes it very difficult to win any championship match. Yet there was only a 1 point between us today. Very frustrating. If we could actually put together a solid 70 minute performance we'd blow away any side in the country.

I genuinely believe we'd have won the All-Ireland if we beat Galway today. Very disappointing.

Have you considered that you can't put together a performance for 70 minutes?

You've been beaten three times this year, in exactly the same circumstances.

deaddonkey15

meriwether wrote: »

Have you considered that you can't put together a performance for 70 minutes?

You've been beaten three times this year, in exactly the same circumstances.

I have and I've posted here before about that.

I wouldn't say the defeats were exactly the same circumstances either.

BloodyBill

meriwether wrote: »

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We really do play some suicidal hurling at times. Couple that with our usual tendency to hit a shocking amount of wides and it makes it very difficult to win any championship match. Yet there was only a 1 point between us today. Very frustrating. If we could actually put together a solid 70 minute performance we'd blow away any side in the country.

I genuinely believe we'd have won the All-Ireland if we beat Galway today. Very disappointing.

Have you considered that you can't put together a performance for 70 minutes?

You've been beaten three times this year, in exactly the same circumstances.

Clare are frustrating to follow. We've known for years that they play with a freedom that spills over at times to sloppiness. The wides situation is something I'd hold management responsible for. It's been an issue for years and they hit them each and every game. Babs said each and every ball hit should have a message on it. What's wrote on Clare's crazy wides?...'hail Mary's' maybe

windy shepard henderson

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We really do play some suicidal hurling at times. Couple that with our usual tendency to hit a shocking amount of wides and it makes it very difficult to win any championship match. Yet there was only a 1 point between us today. Very frustrating. If we could actually put together a solid 70 minute performance we'd blow away any side in the country.

I genuinely believe we'd have won the All-Ireland if we beat Galway today. Very disappointing.

i think we need to rotate the personal more often , rory hayes came on for patrick o connor and had a fine 20 minutes , it makes no sense playing our starting championship 15 in the league games lads must be made work harder for a place in the team

all in all though you could have no complaints today , the best team won , both teams hit serious amount of wides , clare 18 while galway hit 14 , canning was outstanding , as was padraig mannion ,and david burke , we fund it incredibly hard at times trying to deal with galway's physicality hence the bad start again

we fought hard for the rest of the game but coming up short , we never took the lead in the game which speeks for its self

i taught shane o'donnell was excellent for us along with a solid performance by colm galvin , his brother scored 2 points off the bench and probably deserves more game time too , was impressed with rory hayes cameo also

we would have taken his at the start of the year , its progress and solid progress at that we need to build on it now over the next 3 or 4 years as the the majority of the panel hit there mid to late 20s

deaddonkey15

BloodyBill wrote: »

Clare are frustrating to follow. We've known for years that they play with a freedom that spills over at times to sloppiness. The wides situation is something I'd hold management responsible for. It's been an issue for years and they hit them each and every game. Babs said each and every ball hit should have a message on it. What's wrote on Clare's crazy wides?...'hail Mary's' maybe

Not sure if I'd agree with that. Silly wides have been ingrained in this Clare side under different management teams. I think the players really need to have a look at their shot selection, whilst some need a bit of work on their accuracy. We have a bad habit of taking too long to settle in to big games as well. It always seems like a case of damage limitation until our players start to find their rhythm. Galway were pulling away by 6 or 7 points in the first half today and I wasn't really worried because I knew we had yet to get going. It would be great if we could actually get going from the very start.

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i think we need to rotate the personal more often , rory hayes came on for patrick o connor and had a fine 20 minutes , it makes no sense playing our starting championship 15 in the league games lads must be made work harder for a place in the team

all in all though you could have no complaints today , the best team won , both teams hit serious amount of wides , clare 18 while galway hit 14 , canning was outstanding , as was padraig mannion ,and david burke , we fund it incredibly hard at times trying to deal with galway's physicality hence the bad start again

we fought hard for the rest of the game but coming up short , we never took the lead in the game which speeks for its self

i taught shane o'donnell was excellent for us along with a solid performance by colm galvin , his brother scored 2 points off the bench and probably deserves more game time too , was impressed with rory hayes cameo also

we would have taken his at the start of the year , its progress and solid progress at that we need to build on it now over the next 3 or 4 years as the the majority of the panel hit there mid to late 20s

Yeah some more rotation would be good to see. It doesn't seem as though our starting team have to work too hard to keep their place. In fairness I thought they were quick to replace Reidy today who was poor, and I liked that they started Fitzgerald after his impressive cameo last week. Shanagher certainly give us a bit more of a presence and aerial threat in the forwards when he come on.Hopefully he can be starting games next year. Wasn't too impressed with Podge again today.

Can't have any complaints as you said. It was there for us today if we'd shown a bit more composure and played a bit smarter.


Out of curiosity, what did people think of Kelly's long ball at the end of the game? From where I was sitting it looked as though he could have carried it further and taken the shot on himself? Or did he think that we needed a goal? The high ball in to Shanagher seemed a very poor decision.

Clareman

Home after stopping for a few pints, I'll put a proper summery together when I've time to reflect, all I'll say now is Tony Kelly can go off on his J1 now if he wants, he cost us the game today

BloodyBill

Clareman wrote: »

Home after stopping for a few pints, I'll put a proper summery together when I've time to reflect, all I'll say now is Tony Kelly can go off on his J1 now if he wants, he cost us the game today

Agreed 100%. Cody would have sorted out Kelly years ago. He would have dropped him when he hit 3 or more inexcusable wides in a row. Ultimately Kelly would have learned. He was shocking today . He can't win his own ball and that hopefull punt into Shanagher was a disgrace.
Our full back line is a joke. Pat O Connor and McInerney are two 'Calamity Cal' type figures. Two managers are average aswell..Rory Hayes looks like he should have played all year. We've left an All Ireland slip. Limerick are breathing a sigh of relief. They 'll beat that Galway team well. Galway are luke an old punch drunk boxer waiting to be put on the canvas .

BloodyBill

Clareman wrote: »

Home after stopping for a few pints, I'll put a proper summery together when I've time to reflect, all I'll say now is Tony Kelly can go off on his J1 now if he wants, he cost us the game today

Agreed 100%. Cody would have sorted out Kelly years ago. He would have dropped him when he hit 3 or more inexcusable wides in a row. Ultimately Kelly would have learned. He was shocking today . He can't win his own ball and that hopefull punt into Shanagher was a disgrace.
Our full back line is a joke. Pat O Connor and McInerney are two 'Calamity Cal' type figures. Two managers are average aswell..Rory Hayes looks like he should have played all year. We've left an All Ireland slip. Limerick are breathing a sigh of relief. They 'll beat that Galway team well. Galway are like an old punch drunk boxer waiting to be put on the canvas .

Reputable Rog

BloodyBill wrote: »

Agreed 100%. Cody would have sorted out Kelly years ago. He would have dropped him when he hit 3 or more inexcusable wides in a row. Ultimately Kelly would have learned. He was shocking today . He can't win his own ball and that hopefull punt into Shanagher was a disgrace.
Our full back line is a joke. Pat O Connor and McInerney are two 'Calamity Cal' type figures. Two managers are average aswell..Rory Hayes looks like he should have played all year. We've left an All Ireland slip. Limerick are breathing a sigh of relief. They 'll beat that Galway team well. Galway are like an old punch drunk boxer waiting to be put on the canvas .

They won't, much I'd like to see them win it.

windy shepard henderson

kelly is a frustrating hurler at times , he very rarely enters rucks , usually stands out side them waiting for one of the grafters to win him the ball , liam sheedy drives me mad on rte with his constant talk of get the ball to tony kelly , or clare are not providing him with enough quality ball, the fact is if he is a midfielder he has to win his own ball especially the breaks , he is probably suited to the half forward line but he is no target for a goal keeper to aim at and dose not win enough breaks in this area of the field either

he has taken us out of many holes down through the years but his decision making lets him down at times , what frustrates people is no matter how bad a game he has he never gets called ashore , he probably should have been today

mullinr2

I am an outsider from Kilkenny living in Clare. I wasn't going to mention this players name but some posters have already gave their opinions on him. Lads Tony Kelly keeps letting ye down on the big occasions. He is meant to be yer Joe Canning yer TJ Reid. He wouldn't lace their boots.
I used to live close to his family home and when Kilkenny drew against Galway in 2012, his dad mentioned how lucky Kilkenny were. It wasn't luck. Henry Shefflin dragged us back into that game. When leaders are needed players like Shefflin, Canning and TJ stand up. Tony Kelly doesn't.

Clareman

Right, today's performance sums up EVERYTHING that's wrong with this set of Clare hurlers, this isn't a set of players with potential, this is a set of players who won an All Ireland 5 years ago. Not only could they have won today, they SHOULD have won, they held the All Ireland champions to 10 scores in the first half and still went in the break down by double scores, our half forwards were non existent. For the whole first half stupid ball was being sent into a 2 man forward line who just broke the ball down to Galway defenders, they couldn't do anything else, they were out manned, our half forwards were completely missing.

David McInerney's distribution was terrible, he seemed more intent to pick out a Galway player than do anything else with the ball, his striking was extremely poor. I thought Cleary was excellent, he played very well.

Now, for the 2 reasons we lost the match, Tony Kelly and Peter Duggan. Kelly just went missing anytime he was needed, he seemed more intent to live on the fringes than getting stuck in, at the end of the match where was our start forward/midfielder? He was BEHIND his full backline hiding from play, he seemed shocked when he got the ball, but when he did get it you'd think he'd do something with it, but no, he did the most idiotic thing possible and hit a high ball into the forwards, it was clear that any low driven ball into the forwards would have resulted in at worst a free. Peter Duggan, first terrible thing was the sideline at the end of the first half, he might as well as driven the ball out himself for Galway, he free taking was of poor standard today and his sidelines were worse, he missed 2 frees that should have been scored and put 3 sidelines wide.

awec

Clareman wrote: »

Right, today's performance sums up EVERYTHING that's wrong with this set of Clare hurlers, this isn't a set of players with potential, this is a set of players who won an All Ireland 5 years ago. Not only could they have won today, they SHOULD have won, they held the All Ireland champions to 10 scores in the first half and still went in the break down by double scores, our half forwards were non existent. For the whole first half stupid ball was being sent into a 2 man forward line who just broke the ball down to Galway defenders, they couldn't do anything else, they were out manned, our half forwards were completely missing.

David McInerney's distribution was terrible, he seemed more intent to pick out a Galway player than do anything else with the ball, his striking was extremely poor. I thought Cleary was excellent, he played very well.

Now, for the 2 reasons we lost the match, Tony Kelly and Peter Duggan. Kelly just went missing anytime he was needed, he seemed more intent to live on the fringes than getting stuck in, at the end of the match where was our start forward/midfielder? He was BEHIND his full backline hiding from play, he seemed shocked when he got the ball, but when he did get it you'd think he'd do something with it, but no, he did the most idiotic thing possible and hit a high ball into the forwards, it was clear that any low driven ball into the forwards would have resulted in at worst a free. Peter Duggan, first terrible thing was the sideline at the end of the first half, he might as well as driven the ball out himself for Galway, he free taking was of poor standard today and his sidelines were worse, he missed 2 frees that should have been scored and put 3 sidelines wide.

Duggan contributed a lot, including a goal.

Kelly did absolutely nothing.

Not fair to lump the two together.

Clareman

awec wrote: »

Duggan contributed a lot, including a goal.

Kelly did absolutely nothing.

Not fair to lump the two together.

Duggan did a lot and contributed a lot but his dead ball play today help cost us the match.

Davys Fits

Unlike previous macthes Kelly got a lot of possesion today. But his use of the ball was the worst Ive seen from him. He ceratinaly had the right ideas but his execution was terrible.
SOD all is forgiven, great game today.

awec

Clareman wrote: »

Duggan did a lot and contributed a lot but his dead ball play today help cost us the match.

Yea I suppose. The last free was pretty unforgivable.

Clare must have had 5 good chances to draw level today and they fluffed every one of them.

Clareman

Galvin had 3 bad wides, Hoey had a poor wide as well, Duggan a couple more, we just shat ourselves when we were close to drawing level

deaddonkey15

Clareman wrote: »

Right, today's performance sums up EVERYTHING that's wrong with this set of Clare hurlers, this isn't a set of players with potential, this is a set of players who won an All Ireland 5 years ago. Not only could they have won today, they SHOULD have won, they held the All Ireland champions to 10 scores in the first half and still went in the break down by double scores, our half forwards were non existent. For the whole first half stupid ball was being sent into a 2 man forward line who just broke the ball down to Galway defenders, they couldn't do anything else, they were out manned, our half forwards were completely missing.

David McInerney's distribution was terrible, he seemed more intent to pick out a Galway player than do anything else with the ball, his striking was extremely poor. I thought Cleary was excellent, he played very well.

Now, for the 2 reasons we lost the match, Tony Kelly and Peter Duggan. Kelly just went missing anytime he was needed, he seemed more intent to live on the fringes than getting stuck in, at the end of the match where was our start forward/midfielder? He was BEHIND his full backline hiding from play, he seemed shocked when he got the ball, but when he did get it you'd think he'd do something with it, but no, he did the most idiotic thing possible and hit a high ball into the forwards, it was clear that any low driven ball into the forwards would have resulted in at worst a free. Peter Duggan, first terrible thing was the sideline at the end of the first half, he might as well as driven the ball out himself for Galway, he free taking was of poor standard today and his sidelines were worse, he missed 2 frees that should have been scored and put 3 sidelines wide.

I agree with you but I think it's a bit harsh to single out just Kelly and Duggan. Podge and Reidy were very ineffective today I thought. Fitzgerald disappointing and Malone anonymous when he came on. The backs weren't great either, though I have a degree of sympathy there because if they guy their marking is simply bigger and stronger and his team are giving him the right ball - as Galway often were - then it's always going to be an uphill battle to keep them quiet.