Clare GAA discussion thread

Reputable Rog · 04-07-2018 08:18PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

How many times did you play?
Are you a Clare GAA fan or Cork Fan or what?
Do you go to games to support?

Your question just shows signs that the truth hurts you doesnt it? Maybe you could answer that.
Dont need to be an expert to know it was the entire Clare backs that got found out badly last Sunday after they surrendered an 8 point lead between them and Cork. Do you deny that or not like me been direct about it? No point avoiding the issue! Your question is irrelevant? How many times did you play for Clare?

I didn't play and I'm a Clare fan. I go to suppport, not criticise or expect to be entertained.All I know is that 2 squads of amateur players went on and played a very enjoyable game of Hurling on Sunday.
Yes the result was disappointing but there's no need to single out an entire squad of players for abuse.

Figerty · 04-07-2018 10:08PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Look the problems with clare are obvious.
No defenders - Drop them off panel
Malone at midfield -not good enough drop him
ODonnell - Not upto it with 5 yrs! Drop him
No new natural defenders recruited
No new natural forwards recruited bar Duggan
Management need to step aside.

Delusion is a complete wrong answer to a complex problem. Clare suffer alot from that and some supporters. I suspect you are also some bit deluded? The answer will be seen from here in when fans stop going to matches.
Fool me once but not twice! Were Clare to get to munster final somehow again next year id say fans would not go but wait till Dublin!
That said next year will be even more bizzare Cork will probably beat Clare AGAIN in the round robin in Ennis and if dont WOW!!

Fair dues, you are a fair wind up merchant.. not quite a troll, but getting there.. Marks out 10... 6.

Gaatalk · 05-07-2018 07:19PM

Figerty wrote: »

Fair dues, you are a fair wind up merchant.. not quite a troll, but getting there.. Marks out 10... 6.

Era tiddly de di da.
Bad backline drop them
Get rid of the management as Cork are a bogey team now of Clares.
Calling it as seen it.

Gael85 · 06-07-2018 12:51AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Era tiddly de di da.
Bad backline drop them
Get rid of the management as Cork are a bogey team now of Clares.
Calling it as seen it.

So who are the 6 backs you would name for Wexfod game?

finbarrk · 06-07-2018 11:41AM

That quietened her.

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 11:43AM

Gael85 wrote: »

So who are the 6 backs you would name for Wexfod game?

Id have tried Jason mccarthy in on the backs to start the game id have tried by now to have enticed back Donal O'Donovan, Bugler, Donlon in the absence of no other good backs around in the clubs. Id have searched the entire county with the last two years for new backs. The 2nd goal Cork scored was got as a result of an incompetent clare fullback and halfback line and goalie. Kelly didnt read it either. It was sickening to see the way the clare backs fell or were sidestepped as Cork tore them apart. It was also sickening to see how the Cork players scored at will from midfield and the half forward line it was as if right we have decided to play now get out of our way and let us shoot long range over the bar!

Also I think there is too much reliance and pressure and hype about Duggan to score all the frees. Duggan proved last Sunday that he is not the finished article and blew 3 frees in the 2nd half of game 2 of them were very scorable and costly at the end as Clare lost by 2 points! Niall Deasy should be also getting game time in the forwards and hasnt. Deasy could be an option for frees or to help out Duggan. Deasy also couldnt be any worse than O'Donnell who was invisible and only taken off late in the game. Deasy was a fast natural forward for Ballyea two years ago when won Munster Club yet he is not getting any championship game time eventhough named on panel. Very strange and doesnt add up.

We need a complete overhaul replacement of the backline unit for next season with height, strength, skill and fitness ability to stick with ones marker an essential. We need new management too as they have not brought about change in the backline only kept the status quo.

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 11:52AM

finbarrk wrote: »

That quietened her.

Didnt. This season is now over for Clare and the backs have blown 2 munster finals in a row to Cork.

Id have tried Jason mccarthy in on the backs to start the game id have tried by now to have enticed back Donal O'Donovan, Bugler, Donlon in the absence of no other good backs around in the clubs. Id have searched the entire county with the last two years for new backs. The 2nd goal Cork scored was got as a result of an incompetent clare fullback and halfback line and goalie. Kelly didnt read it either. It was sickening to see the way the clare backs fell or were sidestepped as Cork tore them apart. It was also sickening to see how the Cork players scored at will from midfield and the half forward line it was as if right we have decided to play now get out of our way and let us shoot long range over the bar! We also urgently need a new goalie as hasnt blocked anything and doesnt organise his defence. One wonders where Pat Kelly of 2013 gone to.

Also I think there is too much reliance and pressure and hype about Duggan to score all the frees. Duggan proved last Sunday that he is not the finished article and blew 3 frees in the 2nd half of game 2 of them were very scorable and costly at the end as Clare lost by 2 points! Niall Deasy should be also getting game time in the forwards and hasnt. Deasy could be an option for frees or to help out Duggan. Deasy also couldnt be any worse than O'Donnell who was invisible and only taken off late in the game. Deasy was a fast natural forward for Ballyea two years ago when won Munster Club yet he is not getting any championship game time eventhough named on panel. Very strange and doesnt add up. Also pity havent available Cunnigham to aid Conlon and Duggan and Shanagher also Tots O'Connell who was always worth a few skilful scores seems to be not part of the plans either.

We need a complete overhaul replacement of the backline unit for next season with height, strength, skill and fitness ability to stick with ones marker an essential. We need new management too as they have not brought about change in the backline only kept the status quo.

Gael85 · 06-07-2018 12:21PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Id have tried Jason mccarthy in on the backs to start the game id have tried by now to have enticed back Donal O'Donovan, Bugler, Donlon in the absence of no other good backs around in the clubs. Id have searched the entire county with the last two years for new backs. The 2nd goal Cork scored was got as a result of an incompetent clare fullback and halfback line and goalie. Kelly didnt read it either. It was sickening to see the way the clare backs fell or were sidestepped as Cork tore them apart. It was also sickening to see how the Cork players scored at will from midfield and the half forward line it was as if right we have decided to play now get out of our way and let us shoot long range over the bar!

Also I think there is too much reliance and pressure and hype about Duggan to score all the frees. Duggan proved last Sunday that he is not the finished article and blew 3 frees in the 2nd half of game 2 of them were very scorable and costly at the end as Clare lost by 2 points! Niall Deasy should be also getting game time in the forwards and hasnt. Deasy could be an option for frees or to help out Duggan. Deasy also couldnt be any worse than O'Donnell who was invisible and only taken off late in the game. Deasy was a fast natural forward for Ballyea two years ago when won Munster Club yet he is not getting any championship game time eventhough named on panel. Very strange and doesnt add up.

We need a complete overhaul replacement of the backline unit for next season with height, strength, skill and fitness ability to stick with ones marker an essential. We need new management too as they have not brought about change in the backline only kept the status quo.

If your bringing back them sure might as well bring back the Lohans and Seanie Mc too. You haven't named any new defender.

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 12:57PM

Gael85 wrote: »

If your bringing back them sure might as well bring back the Lohans and Seanie Mc too. You haven't named any new defender.

I am not arguing with you ok but sticking to my point I am stating we need new backs. A sizable number of clare fans know that or most of them with common sense do they may not say it or admit it as open as I have but someone has got to say it! We are too nice! Offaly in 98 were classed as sheep in a heap by Babs, Babs resigned, Offaly players went ape dug deep and won the all ireland! Davy did the same in 2013 brought the lads to his house for miwadi and biscuits and a chat by September Clare were all ireland champions with a sweeper system as he knew the backs were not good enough to play 6 on 6 but he knew! That backline was just about ok though leaked goals in both all irelands v cork but this current backline is awful and they nearly always collapse when clares forwards look like they are going to run away with the game or build up a big lead!
Its not my job to pick or name 6 new clare replacement backs is it? Its the managers job and they have failed over 2 years to do it or at least ADMIT! their backs are a problem.
If I got the job I would find them or ADMIT offseason the backline has to be addressed!
I named one new back for you Jason Mc Carthy!
Tbh with you the Lohans and Seanie probably would still do a job in the clare team considering how really desperately poor the clare backline is!
They in my opinion some of them not even fit enough to be playing Senior Club hurling as backs never mind Senior Intercounty!
Tbh I always reckon people who turn the debate back by asking one to name new players are trying t dodge the obvious fact!!!

Clareman · 06-07-2018 01:11PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

I am not arguing with you ok but sticking to my point I am stating we need new backs. A sizable number of clare fans know that or most of them with common sense do they may not say it or admit it as open as I have but someone has got to say it! We are too nice! Offaly in 98 were classed as sheep in a heap by Babs, Babs resigned, Offaly players went ape dug deep and won the all ireland! Davy did the same in 2013 brought the lads to his house for miwadi and biscuits and a chat by September Clare were all ireland champions with a sweeper system as he knew the backs were not good enough to play 6 on 6 but he knew! That backline was just about ok though leaked goals in both all irelands v cork but this current backline is awful and they nearly always collapse when clares forwards look like they are going to run away with the game or build up a big lead!
Its not my job to pick or name 6 new clare replacement backs is it? Its the managers job and they have failed over 2 years to do it or at least ADMIT! their backs are a problem.
If I got the job I would find them or ADMIT offseason the backline has to be addressed!
I named one new back for you Jason Mc Carthy!
Tbh with you the Lohans and Seanie probably would still do a job in the clare team considering how really desperately poor the clare backline is!
They in my opinion some of them not even fit enough to be playing Senior Club hurling as backs never mind Senior Intercounty!
Tbh I always reckon people who turn the debate back by asking one to name new players are trying t dodge the obvious fact!!!

A siege mentality can do wonders for a team, especially a team that had won an All Ireland 4 years ago and lost in the last couple of minutes 2 years previously, not the mention that in the 90s you won 4 matches you were All Ireland champions.

Clare's backs are a problem, our biggest problem, but why not luck at it as a unit rather than as 6 individuals. For the first 34 minutes of last week the backs were doing brilliantly, hunting in packs, snuffing out plays and not giving Cork a sniff at it, after that they were at sea, why was that? In my opinion it was because the ork half backs and midfield got completely on top which allowed Cork pick out passes which exposed our backs, Cork's forwards just spread out and if midfield ran through the Clare backs had to make a decision whether to stay or go, most time they froze and did nothing which was the worst thing to do.

This is going to be hugely unpopular but I blame Tony Kelly for last week's loss. In the first half Cork man marked him but then realised that he was doing nothing so their centre back dropped back in front of the full back and let him off, you'd expect a great player to take full advantage of this but all Kelly did was drop further back and hide, watch how many times he ignores the spare man or slinks away from play. I'm sure his stats would be through the roof but his general play was shocking.

For the next day, I'd bring Conlon out to 11 with Duggan to 14 with the other forwards stuck to the sidelines, Wexford are going to play a sweeper so we'll need to avoid them. I'd drop either SoD or Kelly for McGrath, I don't think you could drop both but you have to drop 1 of them. In the backs, strangely enough with the extra man in the back we should be ok but we'll need to be willing to concede frees out the field to stop Wexford getting in for goals. Ian Galvin was poor for our under 21s last year, but I don't know who else to play in midfield.

Finally for the frees, since Colin Ryan has gone we don't have a free taker and the modern game doesn't allow you to carry 1, Deasy has been tried and didn't show his club ability, we have to stick with Duggan at this stage, I definitely don't think you can have 2 free takers.

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 03:05PM

Clareman wrote: »

A siege mentality can do wonders for a team, especially a team that had won an All Ireland 4 years ago and lost in the last couple of minutes 2 years previously, not the mention that in the 90s you won 4 matches you were All Ireland champions.

Clare's backs are a problem, our biggest problem, but why not luck at it as a unit rather than as 6 individuals. For the first 34 minutes of last week the backs were doing brilliantly, hunting in packs, snuffing out plays and not giving Cork a sniff at it, after that they were at sea, why was that? In my opinion it was because the ork half backs and midfield got completely on top which allowed Cork pick out passes which exposed our backs, Cork's forwards just spread out and if midfield ran through the Clare backs had to make a decision whether to stay or go, most time they froze and did nothing which was the worst thing to do.

This is going to be hugely unpopular but I blame Tony Kelly for last week's loss. In the first half Cork man marked him but then realised that he was doing nothing so their centre back dropped back in front of the full back and let him off, you'd expect a great player to take full advantage of this but all Kelly did was drop further back and hide, watch how many times he ignores the spare man or slinks away from play. I'm sure his stats would be through the roof but his general play was shocking.

For the next day, I'd bring Conlon out to 11 with Duggan to 14 with the other forwards stuck to the sidelines, Wexford are going to play a sweeper so we'll need to avoid them. I'd drop either SoD or Kelly for McGrath, I don't think you could drop both but you have to drop 1 of them. In the backs, strangely enough with the extra man in the back we should be ok but we'll need to be willing to concede frees out the field to stop Wexford getting in for goals. Ian Galvin was poor for our under 21s last year, but I don't know who else to play in midfield.

Finally for the frees, since Colin Ryan has gone we don't have a free taker and the modern game doesn't allow you to carry 1, Deasy has been tried and didn't show his club ability, we have to stick with Duggan at this stage, I definitely don't think you can have 2 free takers.

Id agree with most of what you said, yea Deasy has been tried I thought ok but wasnt sure but why have him on the panel a waste of a sub.
Yes Id agree and meant t say it Kelly was a flop last Sunday and I think he has been poor by his 2013 standard with a long time. Id drop him for sure but ODonnell was awful poor too and like Kelly hasnt done a thing in a big game v a big team since 2013. In fact Reidy, Conlon, Podge, Duggan all had great spells and when were not scoring were trying even if wasnt working out for them in 2nd half. However Kelly and ODonnell for the big name and threat they supposedly have, have been found wanting and flopping particularly v Cork over the last 5 years. Cork must be thinking great Clare will always play these two players for memories of 2013 which suits Cork!
Yes indeed the midfield of Clare the backs and the forwards all played poorly last Sunday in 2nd half. In fact the backs were the main reason for Cork coming back and then winning it but Tony Kelly one of the supposedly experienced players misread Corks runup play to the 2nd goal while he was roving around the backline so spot on
yes he together with the backs and ODonnell up front ( not for the first time) lost the game no doubt about that.
If Davy has Wexford playing like the old Clare next day Wexford will hammer Clare out the gate because clare management have no plan B when in trouble!!!!!

pakie ed · 06-07-2018 10:20PM

As a cork supporter, i think Clare management will have to look at the team warm up last Sunday, it was very intense in that heat. The team faded in the 2nd half. Cork were on the rack in the 1st half but ye ran out of gas.

Clareman · 06-07-2018 10:21PM

pakie ed wrote: »

As a cork supporter, i think Clare management will have to look at the team warm up last Sunday, it was very intense in that heat. The team faded in the 2nd half. Cork were on the rack in the 1st half but ye ran out of gas.

Warm up in the heat and waiting on the pitch for their opponents, you wouldn't get it at junior b level

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 11:13PM

pakie ed wrote: »

As a cork supporter, i think Clare management will have to look at the team warm up last Sunday, it was very intense in that heat. The team faded in the 2nd half. Cork were on the rack in the 1st half but ye ran out of gas.

Cork supporter much as I hate to agree yes they werent as 'cute' as Cork management, if this was previous winning clare managers like Ger Loughnane, or Davy Fitz they would have had the cuteness and held the momentum 8 point lead the team had too. I thought the referee was a bit hard on Clare as was in the All Ireland replay in 2013 v Cork also. A 65 at the start of the game went against Clare as did some fouls on Clare players went unnoticed then booked Clare players for similiar or less fouls and awarded frees. David Mc Inerneys momentum appeared to be just accidental on a Cork player and gave a soft free to Cork. John Conlon was pulled down on goal and no advantage allowed and the Cork player was not booked with Clare goal written all over it. It happened twice in the game.Nash was allowed to puck out ball on one occassion before the existing sliotar was still in play and had not gone out of play. There was also sidelines cuts decisions that went against Clare that were controversial too. Finally while I agree with your general comments Cork it must be said over delayed coming out after half time and while Clare were out a while b4 them the other issue is they appeared to be out too long (probably were!) but Cork made it appear like that because they over delayed coming out. The ref did not whistle for them whyever? If that happened under Davy or Ger they would whistle for them! In general clares backs, tony kelly and odonnell were not upto it and duggan missed frees in the second half was rattled by the Cork comeback and too much expected of him. Truth is Colin Ryan the steady freetaker should be still playing like 2013 Pat Horgan of Cork is. Thats the difference the Clare lineup in key positions is weaker than the team that won the all ireland final against Cork in 2013. Brendan Bugler, Pat Donlon Captain, Donal O'Donovan, Conor Ryan,
Goalie Pat Kelly, all have departed and not that old. Darach Honan, Aaron Cunnigham, Colin Ryan, Fergal Lynch, Aaron Shanagher, Cathal 'Tots' O'Connell all departed from the forward line and not too old. Maybe its the fact that this Clare team has only some of the 2013 lads remaining on it who themselves showing signs of on the way out maybe Kelly and ODonnell maybe the Clare team is content with the one all ireland medal that the likes of Horgan and Harnedy and Nash of Cork would like to get their hands on! They have served under JBM, Kingston and now Meyler and have a few munster titles but no All Ireland or League Medals that the Clare team have. Cork are hungry for what Clare got off them 5 yrs ago.
How time flies!

Gaatalk · 06-07-2018 11:34PM

Clareman wrote: »

Warm up in the heat and waiting on the pitch for their opponents, you wouldn't get it at junior b level

I could not agree more with you and what the cork suporter said. It was pure lunacy altogether.
Clare Management also had no plan B in 2nd half when the tide went against them! Never brought out or switched Conlon around to win ball. Never took action regarding Tony Kellys poor performance. Didnt take action re ODonnells performance till late on. They learned nothing from last yrs final or worse still the round robin game loss at the start of the munster championship down in Cork. That day in Cork Clare played in the 2nd half more Id say than last Sunday when after obtaining an 8 point lead just b4 half time they collapsed and handed Cork a second munster title in a row. The other side of all this is getting 2 chances to win munster against a team that already won in the round robin head to head is bizzare! Maybe as Cork and Clare both topped the table the result of the round robin game between them should have been deemed as the munster champions to give some element of fairness to it. Cork topped the round robin table, beat Clare in the round robin game thus it would have been strange had Clare won a Munster title via the backdoor! Backdoor is just about plausible for all ireland but am afraid doesnt make metit in the munster championship where potentially Clare who ended up 2nd on the table and also lost the round robin game could somehow then be crowned munster champions! Its either knock out munster title and if not then the top team in table should be muster champions, if cant be separated then the round robin game between teams should deem who the champions are.

deaddonkey15 · 07-07-2018 12:01AM

Clareman wrote: »

Finally for the frees, since Colin Ryan has gone we don't have a free taker and the modern game doesn't allow you to carry 1, Deasy has been tried and didn't show his club ability, we have to stick with Duggan at this stage, I definitely don't think you can have 2 free takers.

What's wrong with Duggan on frees? He's been excellent.

Gaatalk · 07-07-2018 12:30AM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

What's wrong with Duggan on frees? He's been excellent.

Clareman I support here. Did you see any of the munster final last Sunday or read any of my posts because if you saw or read you should know that Duggan missed about 4 crucial frees last Sunday in the 2nd half all after half time when the pressure came on him from the Cork comeback he missed at least two simple ones out of the 4 or so he got. Clare lost by two!!
Last Sunday was his first big game under pressure in the 2nd half and wasnt calm to score them. So thats it had Colin Ryan been them frees would hve gone over. Seanie b4 Colin was very reliable. If we had a reliable experienced freetaker such as Colin Ryan this may have been closer game.

lim4ev · 07-07-2018 01:21AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

I could not agree more with you and what the cork suporter said. It was pure lunacy altogether.
Clare Management also had no plan B in 2nd half when the tide went against them! Never brought out or switched Conlon around to win ball. Never took action regarding Tony Kellys poor performance. Didnt take action re ODonnells performance till late on. They learned nothing from last yrs final or worse still the round robin game loss at the start of the munster championship down in Cork. That day in Cork Clare played in the 2nd half more Id say than last Sunday when after obtaining an 8 point lead just b4 half time they collapsed and handed Cork a second munster title in a row. The other side of all this is getting 2 chances to win munster against a team that already won in the round robin head to head is bizzare! Maybe as Cork and Clare both topped the table the result of the round robin game between them should have been deemed as the munster champions to give some element of fairness to it. Cork topped the round robin table, beat Clare in the round robin game thus it would have been strange had Clare won a Munster title via the backdoor! Backdoor is just about plausible for all ireland but am afraid doesnt make metit in the munster championship where potentially Clare who ended up 2nd on the table and also lost the round robin game could somehow then be crowned munster champions! Its either knock out munster title and if not then the top team in table should be muster champions, if cant be separated then the round robin game between teams should deem who the champions are.

Oh my god!!!

Reputable Rog · 07-07-2018 08:32AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Clareman I support here. Did you see any of the munster final last Sunday or read any of my posts because if you saw or read you should know that Duggan missed about 4 crucial frees last Sunday in the 2nd half all after half time when the pressure came on him from the Cork comeback he missed at least two simple ones out of the 4 or so he got. Clare lost by two!!
Last Sunday was his first big game under pressure in the 2nd half and wasnt calm to score them. So thats it had Colin Ryan been them frees would hve gone over. Seanie b4 Colin was very reliable. If we had a reliable experienced freetaker such as Colin Ryan this may have been closer game.

I know we'll bring back the Lohans, Seanie McMahon and Fingers as well just to break up the play and lay balls off to Conlon and Duggan. Maybe Seamus Durack could give a shift between the sticks and we could David Forde as an impact sub.

Clareman · 07-07-2018 09:12AM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

What's wrong with Duggan on frees? He's been excellent.

He'll miss at least 1 scorable 1 in every match, I the Limerick game for example he hit the post, against Tipp he put a 65 wide.

LuckyGent88 · 07-07-2018 09:14AM

God their has been some amount of rubbish spouted on here since last Sunday. Like all other fans I was hurt by the loss and manner of the 2nd half performance. Once again we should and could have won against cork.

We played a near perfect 33 minutes of a match. We created chances, converted our chances, defended well and our work rate was huge. But that goal before have time was the killer. It shouldn’t have been as we were still 5 points up but you just knew we weren’t going to win it from there.
I’d certainly agree with the arguments around the fairly intense warm up in the heat compared to the cork one. It certainly may have been a factor for the lack of urgency, mentality and work rate in the 2nd half but this thing about being out on the pitch 2 minutes before cork is a load of rubbish to me. But I hate this waiting in the dressing room ****e, if it’s time to start the half the ref should throw in the ball.

The 2nd half was just a disaster. A couple of poor missed frees from Duggan, an awful effort from SOD, poor reaction to the change of tactics by cork and just not doing the basics correctly.

As pointed out, cleary was awful. He had a good season up to then but Cork really targeted him. As a defender of SOD a lot, I have no complaints about the criticism he has got for last 2 games. His contribution just simply hasn’t been good enough.

As for the next day, no idea where we are going to get six new defenders from!!! What a load of bollix. I think the full back position is the main one we are missing. I’d like to get Dave Mac to centre back. Malone has to make way for a player who can actually hit the ball. I think we will find it very hard to beat Wexford. Our forwards won’t be given the freedom by Davy and his sweeper so the management will have to work around that.

LuckyGent88 · 07-07-2018 09:16AM

Clareman wrote: »

He'll miss at least 1 scorable 1 in every match, I the Limerick game for example he hit the post, against Tipp he put a 65 wide.

Every free taker misses one ffs. Canning missed a hand full last week, Reid missed a few, even Horgan against us missed 2 handy ones.

The main Duggan miss was the short enough one. That was shocking. He is by far our best available free taker

Clareman · 07-07-2018 10:08AM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Every free taker misses one ffs. Canning missed a hand full last week, Reid missed a few, even Horgan against us missed 2 handy ones.

The main Duggan miss was the short enough one. That was shocking. He is by far our best available free taker

Top intercounty free takers don't miss from inside the 45 in the middle third. Duggan is the best we have and he's better than Kelly but that doesn't mean he's a great free taker,especially when the pressure is on.

Clareman · 07-07-2018 10:23AM

Gaatalk wrote: »

John Conlon was pulled down on goal and no advantage allowed and the Cork player was not booked with Clare goal written all over it. It happened twice in the game.

In my opinion Conlon fouled the ball both times and that was why the play was stopped.

Gaatalk wrote: »

Finally while I agree with your general comments Cork it must be said over delayed coming out after half time and while Clare were out a while b4 them the other issue is they appeared to be out too long (probably were!) but Cork made it appear like that because they over delayed coming out. The ref did not whistle for them whyever? If that happened under Davy or Ger they would whistle for them!

The ref blew a couple of times for them to come out. Clare did it against Wexford a couple of years ago and got caught for a goal cause the players weren't in their position in time.

Gaatalk wrote: »

Truth is Colin Ryan the steady freetaker should be still playing like 2013 Pat Horgan of Cork is.

Again, in my opinion, Ryan was struggling to keep him place in general play and could see the writing was on the wall for him that he wasn't going to be getting his place.

Clareman · 07-07-2018 10:28AM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

As pointed out, cleary was awful. He had a good season up to then but Cork really targeted him.

I don't know if Cork targeted him, I thought it was more a case of him being exposed by players running through on him from midfield, he didn't know what to do. Most of his season has been spent at full back and I think it's starting to show that he's not a centre back, he just can't read the game at all and is completely at sea.

Gaatalk · 07-07-2018 01:09PM

Tony Kelly needs to be dropped and Shane O'Donnell the hurling world does not revolve around them as some Clare fans think. Have shown no leadership or interest to win since 2013. They have five yrs got its time to drop them and let them see they will remain dropped if dont buck up! The team has been carrying them for far too long and they havent been doing anything. They should be the leaders but are clearly not! So if management cant see that when the ordinary fan does then it really is time for this joint management to step down now. They are too loyal to their u21s they managed anyway! No players as such found in the county outside of that bunches. Even in Tipperary when Eoin Kelly was playing several managers he played under used to drop him if his performance was below the level required! We need to do this with untouchables in Clare too!
I have nothing against them and had huge hurling admiration for them in 2013 as a Clare fan but they have not delivered since that all ireland win and thats 5 years ago almost so have got too many seasons to prove and they havent! Its time to take the hard stance and drop them as 2013 is now long gone like 95 97 and 98 is!

Conor Clery a westclare man simply not upto it and whether its a coincidence or not that he comes from the west side of the county the fact of the matter is he cant defend he cant hit a long shot he reads the game terribly and is a liability. Both him and his other west clare colleague Cathal Malone is not upto it either and hasnt the skill or reading of the game. In summary they are not natural hurlers to be honest about it. Colin Lynch came from West Clare well more Mid Clare (Lissycasey) but excelled and had the skill and strength for his master Ger Loughnane. Conor Clery and Cathal Malone need to be also dropped with Tony Kelly and Shane O Donnell.
Conor Clery and Cathal Malone would be well advised to stick to the big ball although no hope there with Clare for sure unless can avoid mentally playing Kerry every year ☺☺

As for the freetaking Duggan is a good player in the mould of Conlon lets hope in years to come.
However Clare fans and mentors built him up typically with hysteria. The long and short of it is I am not convinced after last Sundays second half freetaking performance he has the bottle
to convert easy scorable frees under pressure as the frees he missed were very poor and of junior C standard. He had a good first half but one half is no good as you get awarded frees in both halves! Colin Ryan and Seanie Mc Mahon and Jamesie O'Connor were always best at scoring frees when the games were really in the melting pot. It was in the melting pot last Sunday in the second half and he blew it we lost by 2 points.
I have great time for Duggan but I have to call it as I see it for the betterment of our county team.

Finally our goalie isnt upto it for stopping goals. When was the last time he made a match save?
He didnt make one in the league quarter final loss to Limerick nor did he last Sunday. You need a good goalie and for a proud county that had great goalies in past like Davy and Durack now we dont have a top class goalie. Pat Kelly was the all ireland winning goalie of 2013 and for some strange reason he isnt playing on the Clare team anymore nor is he even on the panel!

Finally where is Cathal Mc Inerney gone to? I thought they had ressurected him in the league panel this year after the great season he had in getting Clare single handly to the final in 2013.
Yet he wasnt on the team or panel last Sunday and he is in the same mould as Conlon he is strong and can score! He would most likely try unlike ODonnell standing up to be admired!

There is so much potential but Management are not in touch with reality at all and hence will be known as the 'ifs' and 'buts' and the dipplomats paying too much respect to Cork on their win.
Cork were on the rack and Management and key players that should be dropped blew the game.
Wexford I hope not but expect to put us out of our misery next weekend. Unless of course Westmeath cause a shock! Thats the best Clare can hope for!!

Kristopherus · 07-07-2018 02:26PM

Gaatalk wrote: »

Tony Kelly needs to be dropped and Shane O'Donnell the hurling world does not revolve around them as some Clare fans think. Have shown no leadership or interest to win since 2013. They have five yrs got its time to drop them and let them see they will remain dropped if dont buck up! The team has been carrying them for far too long and they havent been doing anything. They should be the leaders but are clearly not! So if management cant see that when the ordinary fan does then it really is time for this joint management to step down now. They are too loyal to their u21s they managed anyway! No players as such found in the county outside of that bunches. Even in Tipperary when Eoin Kelly was playing several managers he played under used to drop him if his performance was below the level required! We need to do this with untouchables in Clare too!
I have nothing against them and had huge hurling admiration for them in 2013 as a Clare fan but they have not delivered since that all ireland win and thats 5 years ago almost so have got too many seasons to prove and they havent! Its time to take the hard stance and drop them as 2013 is now long gone like 95 97 and 98 is!

Conor Clery a westclare man simply not upto it and whether its a coincidence or not that he comes from the west side of the county the fact of the matter is he cant defend he cant hit a long shot he reads the game terribly and is a liability. Both him and his other west clare colleague Cathal Malone is not upto it either and hasnt the skill or reading of the game. In summary they are not natural hurlers to be honest about it. Colin Lynch came from West Clare well more Mid Clare (Lissycasey) but excelled and had the skill and strength for his master Ger Loughnane. Conor Clery and Cathal Malone need to be also dropped with Tony Kelly and Shane O Donnell.
Conor Clery and Cathal Malone would be well advised to stick to the big ball although no hope there with Clare for sure unless can avoid mentally playing Kerry every year ☺☺

As for the freetaking Duggan is a good player in the mould of Conlon lets hope in years to come.
However Clare fans and mentors built him up typically with hysteria. The long and short of it is I am not convinced after last Sundays second half freetaking performance he has the bottle
to convert easy scorable frees under pressure as the frees he missed were very poor and of junior C standard. He had a good first half but one half is no good as you get awarded frees in both halves! Colin Ryan and Seanie Mc Mahon and Jamesie O'Connor were always best at scoring frees when the games were really in the melting pot. It was in the melting pot last Sunday in the second half and he blew it we lost by 2 points.
I have great time for Duggan but I have to call it as I see it for the betterment of our county team.

Finally our goalie isnt upto it for stopping goals. When was the last time he made a match save?
He didnt make one in the league quarter final loss to Limerick nor did he last Sunday. You need a good goalie and for a proud county that had great goalies in past like Davy and Durack now we dont have a top class goalie. Pat Kelly was the all ireland winning goalie of 2013 and for some strange reason he isnt playing on the Clare team anymore nor is he even on the panel!

Finally where is Cathal Mc Inerney gone to? I thought they had ressurected him in the league panel this year after the great season he had in getting Clare single handly to the final in 2013.
Yet he wasnt on the team or panel last Sunday and he is in the same mould as Conlon he is strong and can score! He would most likely try unlike ODonnell standing up to be admired!

There is so much potential but Management are not in touch with reality at all and hence will be known as the 'ifs' and 'buts' and the dipplomats paying too much respect to Cork on their win.
Cork were on the rack and Management and key players that should be dropped blew the game.
Wexford I hope not but expect to put us out of our misery next weekend. Unless of course Westmeath cause a shock! Thats the best Clare can hope for!!

You're dropping a third of the team:mad: What/who are you going to replace them with????

letowski · 07-07-2018 05:25PM

I don't know is there going to be much changes. Maybe McGrath might replace O'Donnell but I think the management will stick with bringing on McGrath. McCarthy instead of Malone is another one but I think they like Malone in there for 50 minutes of graft. 6 and 9 are big problem positions as we head into the buiness end of the championship. If feel their sub-standard hurling is going to hold us back like last Sunday. Their use of possession is appalling and I dont think we will get away with it especially if we make it to Croke Park. But we have hardly any options to replace them without taking a big risk.

If I were to pick the team I'd go:
Touhy
Browne - David Mc - Hayes
Seadna - O'Connor - Fitz
Galvin - Malone
Duggan - Kelly - Reidy
Podge
Conlon - McGrath

With McCarthy, I. Galvin and O'Donnell coming on around the 50 minute mark for Malone, Reidy and McGrath.

I think Shanahan is going to play against Wexford anyway as the sweeper. I'm not sure how he is going to fair in Croke Park as he lacks a bit of pace and isnt really a physical or aggressive back. Our backline has been hurt in recent years to the losses of the likes of Conor Ryan and Oisin O'Brien. You look at the backs we have now, the only lad that's properly playing with a bit of edge is Jack Browne, and unsurprisingly he has been our best back. I hope Hayes can make it for us in the future as he is a sticky corner back. But the reality is were not producing proper tight, tough backs who can stop their man, hence the scores we are giving up.

Look this team still has a great oppertunity to get back to Croke Park. They can beat this Wexford side if they set their stall out right. We are short in some areas but we can still challenge I believe in a once off semi final, if we can get there. I'm hoping McGrath can find some form on the hard surface too, would take the pressure of Conlon inside to do all the scoring.

Gaatalk · 07-07-2018 08:49PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

You're dropping a third of the team:mad: What/who are you going to replace them with????

I would give Cathal Mc Inerney the forward of 2013 a run in the forwards and Niall Deasy in the forwards and Ian Galvin and Cathal O'Connell (Tots). Rumours that Shanagher a forward back training too so thats already 5 options instead of ODonnell and Kelly, there must be more options than that up front too if management dared to search the county.
TOO MUCH LOYALTY TO THE 3 IN A ROW U21s THAT WON and thats too predictable and wrong.

As for the backs and midfield Jason Mc Carthy has to be started. David Fitzgerald has to get the nod. O'Malley and O'Neill have to be started. Clery from Miltown is not a natural hurler nor is Cathal Malone. So thats already 2 options but is there no search around replacemet of more backs by managt.

I have now listed 7 options to replace players and yes 5 to 7 players easily need to get the chop now. For 5 yrs wonderboys kelly and ODonnell have flopped. They dont care once been selected t play but 2013 is no good to Clare in 2018! DROP THEM.

Also finally have to say no plan B with our management, no rogueness or cynical tricks, too strict too honest all discipline and respect yet no success!! They have to be ruthless like Ger Loughnane and then Davy Fitz was to land an all ireland! We are going no where with their softly softly approach.

windy shepard henderson · 08-07-2018 12:54AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

You're dropping a third of the team:mad: What/who are you going to replace them with????

Crazy and all some of his posts are but he is right about both kelly and o donnell who have had a free run of things all year . There is plenty of replacements for both if players are given a chance

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