Clare GAA discussion thread

Davys Fits

Gael85 wrote: »

I played football in Clare for a few years .Football is a hindrance to county board and they simply don't give a damn. Footballers budget is a fraction of what hurlers get and it amazing Collins brought team from Division 4 to survive into Division 2.

Rubbish. Football may not be as popular but it has a healthy coexistence with hurling in a county that has just 100k population. Football has grown throughout the county over the last 20 years and in clubs that were always predominantly hurling. Simply blaming hurling is lazy analysis.

windy shepard henderson

Gael85 wrote: »

When is the Division 3 final?

In football ? It was played a week or two after the intetmeadite final kilmihil beat coolmeen both teams will be in the Garry cup next year

windy shepard henderson

Gael85 wrote: »

I played football in Clare for a few years .Football is a hindrance to county board and they simply don't give a damn. Footballers budget is a fraction of what hurlers get and it amazing Collins brought team from Division 4 to survive into Division 2.

I don't think that perception exists in the county anymore we have developed into a deacent duel county in recent years thanks to people like Collins... But also the likes of Joe Garry David O'Brien the Clancy's fom corofin and Peter o Connell who put pressure on the board to improve standards in the county

To be fair when they raised issues a few years back the likes of pat Fitz said he didn't know what to do. So gave licence to the above names and others to set up the development squads which has had a major impact on the senior intercounty team

Jamie malone . Eoin cleary . Kealan Sexton pearse lillis are all from that school and I expect big things from Ross phelan and young dermot coughlan next year. Both are the new recruits to the panel for 2018

We are a county with something like 28 hurling clubs and 23 or 24 football clubs. We probably are the only county in the country that has an Evan ballence when it comes to intercounty

Problem with the county board is there ignorance which is not exclusive to football

windy shepard henderson

Davys Fits wrote: »

Rubbish. Football may not be as popular but it has a healthy coexistence with hurling in a county that has just 100k population. Football has grown throughout the county over the last 20 years and in clubs that were always predominantly hurling. Simply blaming hurling is lazy analysis.

I agree with this in fairness
There was a time when hurling was the no1 concern in the county but as you said not in the last 20 plus years

People must realise we are beating counties at football nowadays ,Counties that will not promote hurling incase it gets in the way which is totally wrong . I have no doubt it May have happened here regarding football but that day is gone

square ball

There is a serious shortage of investment in football especially at underage level in the last few years. A lot of funds went to the Senior hurling team and was taken away from football development squads when Davy was in charge.

Football is an after thought to the current county board. In spite of this the minor team reached a munster final and gave a good account of themselves in an All Ireland quarter final and the Under 21s are strong but both were unlucky to come up.against phenomenal Kerry sides.

We need change at the top to see the interests of football in the county best served.

Claregaafan18

Tonight sees the draws for the following Munster GAA competitions

Under 20 football
Under 21 Hurling

Under 17 Hurling
Under 17 Football

Munster Hurling League
McGrath Cup Football

It looks like its Kerry, Clare, Cork and Limerick are the only teams competing in the Munster Hurling League while in the McGrath Cup Football its Clare, Cork, Limerick and Waterford. Both competitions are set to be round-robin. Both tournaments set to start possibly on the 30th of December although that should be confirmed tonight. Updates throughout the evening.

Claregaafan18

Under 20 football 2018

Tipp v Cork, winners play Clare in semi-final
Limerick v Kerry, winners play Waterford in semi final

Claregaafan18

Confirmed that Clare, Cork, Kerry and Limerick will take part in the round robin Munster Hurling League

Fixtures to be confirmed on December 8th. 1st round of matches to take place on Dec. 30th

Claregaafan18

Munster Under 21 hurling

1/4 final Clare at home v Limerick (to be played on 9th of May 2018) winner plays Tipperary in semi-final on 21st of June

Semi-final Cork v Waterford on 20th June

Claregaafan18

No draw tonight on the Munster U17 football championship subject to an agreement on format of the competition.

Claregaafan18

Confirmed that St Josephs Doora Barefield and Eire Og Ennis will play in their re-arranged semi-final of the Clare U21 Football Championship tomorrow night at Gurteen with a 8 pm throw-in. The parish refused to play this match 3 weeks ago due to a fixture clash with their minor footballers due to play on that same day. Had Doora-Barefield being thrown out of the championship, Eire Og Ennis would have received 2 walkovers on route to the final. The winners of tomorrow night's match will play Cooraclare in the final.

Tell me how

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

Confirmed that St Josephs Doora Barefield and Eire Og Ennis will play in their re-arranged semi-final of the Clare U21 Football Championship tomorrow night at Gurteen with a 8 pm throw-in. The parish refused to play this match 3 weeks ago due to a fixture clash with their minor footballers due to play on that same day. Had Doora-Barefield being thrown out of the championship, Eire Og Ennis would have received 2 walkovers on route to the final. The winners of tomorrow night's match will play Cooraclare in the final.

Had the teams received a heads up that this might go ahead? 24Hrs notice is not much, even if from a logistics perspective.

Claregaafan18

The Clare Champion this morning are seething with anger over Kilmurry Ibrickane's conduct post-match in the Cusack Cup final last Sunday. From not appreciating the support given to the newspaper's continued sponsorship (now under review). To the captain Marty McMahon not raising aloft the cup and giving a very short speech without thanking the Clare Champion's support of the now under-fire competition. What also irked Seamus Hayes this morning was that Marty was asked by the photographer (that he knew) to get the team together for a photograph but nothing was forthcoming. They also even considered not receiving the trophy.

I know KIB are not happy with the structures of Clare football at the moment. That is blatantly clear. But having read what happened last Sunday shocked me. It was pathetic behaviour from the Quilty men point of view. Childish like. Without the support of the Clare Champion the very existence of the Cusack Cup would be in most serious doubt a long time ago. KIB got 2,000 euros and the runners-up Miltown got 1,000 euros. Yet the lack of acknowledgement of this money from the seven in a row Cusack cup champions was completely unwarranted.

Tonight the structures meeting of Clare GAA will take place tonight at 8 pm in the Woodstock Hotel. This is an opportunity for all clubs not just KIB to vent their frustrations towards an out of touch county board and make meaningful suggestions towards solving the fixture crisis and making competitions like the Cusack Cup more relevant.

On a side note Aidan "Horse" Moloney has stepped down as KIB manager after guiding the Quilty men to 2 successive Clare senior football championship successes in 2016-17. Lets just say that his chances to become the new Clare senior football manager or involved with future Clare teams have slimmed quite considerably with his confrontational approach towards the powers-that-be in Clare County Board.

Keano

Do you work for the champion?

Claregaafan18

Keano wrote: »

Do you work for the champion?

I don't work for the champion, but was shocked at how dismissive the Quilty club were towards two things. 1. the continued generosity of the Clare Champion of offering the winner and runners-up of the Cusack Cup a four figure sum. Yet KIB didn't acknowledge it at all after the game. In particular Marty McMahon's victory didn't include his gratitude towards the paper for continuing to sponsor the Cusack Cup which without the help of the CC would turn out as meaningless as the O'Gorman Cup.

2. Considered refusing to accept the cup which if they did carry out with that threat would have been an insult towards all those who promote football in Clare, The Clare Champion and Michael Cusack, who would be sickened if he were alive today over what was in my opinion unprofessional conduct by a club that prides itself on being the top dog in Clare.

That is just my opinion but I felt that KIB had a duty whatever gra they have with Colm Collins and the Clare County Board to show a bit of respect for the competition and those that promote it. KIB failed to show that respect and lacked understanding of what the Cusack Cup should have meant last Sunday. Which is why tonight's Clare GAA structures meeting is so important and I look forward to hearing what reasonable suggestions and ideas in particular from Kilmurry Ibrickane about what direction the future of Clare football should take.

Claregaafan18

The big news to come out of last night's Clare GAA structures meeting is that the club championships will not start in April. That month will instead be designated for Cusack Cup and Clare Cup matches. Clare GAA chairman Joe Cooney said that they will work with both county managements and clubs to ensure that these clubs have as much access to their county players as much as possible during these games. Club Championships in Clare will start once the county teams involvement in their respective inter-county championships is over.

Meanwhile Eire Og Inis have booked their spot in the Clare U21 Football final after a dramatic 0-11 to 1-7 win over St Joseph's Doora Barefield in Gurteen last night. The townies will face Cooraclare in Kilmihil this Sunday. The competition looks set to be played earlier in 2018 after a motion was passed by clubs in the Woodstock Hotel last night. The Clare GAA county convention will take place on Thursday the 14th of December where this club v county row and the fixture debacle will in no doubt rumble on.

Clareman

These dedicated months are a great idea in theory but what I can see happening is the inter-county teams being taken away for training camps or "recovery".

Gael85

Clareman wrote: »

These dedicated months are a great idea in theory but what I can see happening is the inter-county teams being taken away for training camps or "recovery".

Especially if a team is playing early May players definitely won't be with clubs.

danganabu

Clareman wrote: »

These dedicated months are a great idea in theory but what I can see happening is the inter-county teams being taken away for training camps or "recovery".

Gael85 wrote: »

Especially if a team is playing early May players definitely won't be with clubs.

That's where the clubs need to be stronger, there was ruptions at the Tipperary County Board meeting last night but ultimately when the vote was taken the clubs wishes won out after a heated debate that has being going on for 2 months. In Tipp we have 28 Senior Hurling Clubs and I think off the top of my head there are 7 dual senior clubs, so the county boards proposal and the wish of the senior inter-county management was unacceptable. Remember that the Munster Club QF will be played in October, that window between the All Ireland final and first round of Munster is redicilous and again is a case of forming the calender around less that 1% of the organisations players.

One thing clubs need to remember, and trust me it has taken alot of clubs in Tipp a bloody long time for the penny to drop, is that the clubs are the county board, the county board cannot do anything with out the support of the clubs, the lack of knowledge of the rule book among club delegates is frightening. I myself will be putting forward a motion at our clubs AGM that our club rep at next years county board meetings be a current player or at the very least any motions being delat with at said meetings be put to the players in advance.

Gael85

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

The big news to come out of last night's Clare GAA structures meeting is that the club championships will not start in April. That month will instead be designated for Cusack Cup and Clare Cup matches. Clare GAA chairman Joe Cooney said that they will work with both county managements and clubs to ensure that these clubs have as much access to their county players as much as possible during these games. Club Championships in Clare will start once the county teams involvement in their respective inter-county championships is over.

Meanwhile Eire Og Inis have booked their spot in the Clare U21 Football final after a dramatic 0-11 to 1-7 win over St Joseph's Doora Barefield in Gurteen last night. The townies will face Cooraclare in Kilmihil this Sunday. The competition looks set to be played earlier in 2018 after a motion was passed by clubs in the Woodstock Hotel last night. The Clare GAA county convention will take place on Thursday the 14th of December where this club v county row and the fixture debacle will in no doubt rumble on.

I know it the same in every county but it unfair on ordinary club players waiting around until their county is knocked to play club championship. It means holidays etc are put on hold. Dublin took easy option years ago turning their football championship into straight knockout with no backdoor. They play a round or two in April/May then blitz off championship when the footballers/hurlers finished up. It hard to find a solutions to this. One thing GAA should have looking at playing a championship with 8 groups of 4 and therefore having set weekends for club championship. Impossible for county boards to structure club championship when don't know if county team will progress to front or back door.

Gael85

danganabu wrote: »

That's where the clubs need to be stronger, there was ruptions at the Tipperary County Board meeting last night but ultimately when the vote was taken the clubs wishes won out after a heated debate that has being going on for 2 months. In Tipp we have 28 Senior Hurling Clubs and I think off the top of my head there are 7 dual senior clubs, so the county boards proposal and the wish of the senior inter-county management was unacceptable. Remember that the Munster Club QF will be played in October, that window between the All Ireland final and first round of Munster is redicilous and again is a case of forming the calender around less that 1% of the organisations players.

One thing clubs need to remember, and trust me it has taken alot of clubs in Tipp a bloody long time for the penny to drop, is that the clubs are the county board, the county board cannot do anything with out the support of the clubs, the lack of knowledge of the rule book among club delegates is frightening. I myself will be putting forward a motion at our clubs AGM that our club rep at next years county board meetings be a current player or at the very least any motions being delat with at said meetings be put to the players in advance.

I agree players should with clubs but the county way setups have gone players are wrapped up in cotton wool.

Clareman

County setups have gotten to be completely extreme, ever facet of a players life is tracked for the inter-county, just look at the Kerry footballer who decided he didnt' like the caffine gel supplied to him by the county board, HE WAS GETTING CAFFINE GEL SUPPLIED BY THE COUNTY BOARD, everything these lads are doing are designed around the inter-county setup, no inter county manager is going to want to give up any kind of control for fear of injuries. This isn't limited to GAA by the way, soccer managers are limiting players playing for their national teams as well.

In my opinion the county board is stuck between a rock and a hard place, on 1 hand they have an inter-county manager who is insisting on being in charge of everything to do with the players and they have the clubs wanting their players. In my opinion players should be given the responsibility to decide what they want to do, they are seniors so they are adults, they are being treated like children and being spoon fed way too much.

Keano

Are we getting closer to that point that Clare is your club and that's it? This will then allow games to played all year round and yes clubs will have to play with what they have.

Clareman

I think it's getting to the stage where if someone gets picked for the Clare panel that they don't play club anymore, panels will probably have to be declared at the start of the season and not allow any changes.

danganabu

Keano wrote: »

Are we getting closer to that point that Clare is your club and that's it? This will then allow games to played all year round and yes clubs will have to play with what they have.

It's the fear and will be the single biggest disaster ever to face the organisation, teh club is the GAA.

windy shepard henderson

danganabu wrote: »

It's the fear and will be the single biggest disaster ever to face the organisation, teh club is the GAA.

need to make designated club weeks through out the summer for club games in both codes ....but id say we are ten years away from that happening :mad:

windy shepard henderson

square ball wrote: »

There is a serious shortage of investment in football especially at underage level in the last few years. A lot of funds went to the Senior hurling team and was taken away from football development squads when Davy was in charge.

Football is an after thought to the current county board. In spite of this the minor team reached a munster final and gave a good account of themselves in an All Ireland quarter final and the Under 21s are strong but both were unlucky to come up.against phenomenal Kerry sides.

We need change at the top to see the interests of football in the county best served.

i cant agree with some of this , the day of the hurlers getting steak and footballers getting salads is gone (which happened in the early 2000s in the sherwood)

collins made sure of that in his appointment in late 2013 his demand was to be treated the same as the hurlers and success has followed , a few major stumbling blocks remain ,

1 several players dont declare for the county : after running both kerry and mayo close this year we probably were up against the best footballers in either county ....the same cant be said for clare ( and i am not including hurlers)

2 incompetent county board : when i say our county board is useless and full of yes men i mean that for both codes they are getting away with murder , for example treasure bernard keane tried to refuse season ticket holders for clare hurling games this year for not paying at the styles :eek: ....idiots ..all of them

3 refuse of amalgamations at senior level : we badly need to get the best out off what we have in the county , poupluations are dropping in west clare its long over due that neighboring teams joined together to make the championship in the county stronger and put the rivelaries of the past behind them ,

kilkee and shannon gaels would be my example , two clubs in the mix of things 10 years ago have nothing coming now and need to be totally restructured like the inagh kilnamona model ,

you cant blame the hurling for any of that infairness

Tell me how

windy shepard henderson wrote:

kilkee and shannon gaels would be my example , two clubs in the mix of things 10 years ago have nothing coming now and need to be totally restructured like the inagh kilnamona model ,

Aren't they separated by Kilrush? Do you they allow non-bordering amalgamations?

tatoo

Sure wasn't that Killballyowen amalgam from only a few years back from three different corners of the county, with two parishes over an hour's drive from each other ?

Claregaafan18

Cooraclare 3-6 Eire Og Inis 0-7

So Cooraclare win the Clare U21 Football Championship after a 8 point win over the Ennis side. Congrats to the sky blues. The 3 day turnaround clearly affected Eire Og in the end as Cooraclare outscored the Ennis men 3-3 to 0-3 in the 2nd half. Jack Morrissey with all 3 of Cooraclare's goals. Killian Roche with 6 points too.