Clare GAA discussion thread

keeponhurling

Alarm bells that today Glynn won nearly every ball over Aidan Walsh, but yet Walsh completely dominated John Conlon when we played then

windy shepard henderson

Boots234 wrote: »

When will the draw be made for the losers round and how will it work with 4 winners from the losers round joining the 8 teams from the first round? That will bring it to 12 teams....

Good wins for Kilmihil and Kilfenora in the intermediate championship while Naomh Eoin and Corofin drew. Haven't heard the result of Eire Og and Clarecastle

not sure about the draw , normally it would be monday or tuesday evening on clare fm , doonbeg still have to play miltown the game was put back a week due to conor cleary's hurling involvment with the u21s so it might be after that not sure

the intermediate championship is still a minefield , corofin very unlucky last year not to go up , kilmihil have a new manager this year in michael o'shea and are now probably favorites to advance to the semi finals after this weeks result's but anything can still happen

on the other side of the draw kilfenora are putting together a decent young team and will probably top there group now , the game between eire og and clarecastle was called of this evening due to a bereavement i am led to believe

windy shepard henderson

Gael85 wrote: »

Kilkee will be junior when Russell and OShea finish up.O'Currys and Naomh Eoin have done great work at juvenile level.There 4/5 players between 2 clubs on Clare minors this year.Great to see

funny enough donal og cusack was giving out about cork's lack of underage tallent coming through and blaming guys in the county board down there
i have also heard the arguement that some counties cant compete to the top level any more because they dont have enough money
the reality in my opinion all that counts for nothing if the clubs are not producing the players , and it cant just be up to the same clubs to do this all the time either

a similar pattern has formed in the last number of years in clare gaa first in hurling with the likes of clonlara , cratloe , ballyea crusheen ect.. putting in the effort at under age level and producing top quality players , and giving the bigger clubs something to think about

the same for football , the current theme under age the the most likley clubs to be producing county players in the next few years will probably be the likes of corofin, kilfenora clondegad, eire og , cratloe , naomh eoin and o'currys and maybe one or two from miltown and kilmurry ibrickane but the latter not producing as much anymore at under age level
the likes of kilrush , doonbeg, kilkee and even cooreclare ( dispite a good year last year) have all fallen well below there own standers and have little coming through from under age i expect the shift to continue for a number of years to come

Hidalgo

Just to point out, club hurling is restarting in 2 weeks time. Bank holiday next weekend is a free weekend afaik

Gael85

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

funny enough donal og cusack was giving out about cork's lack of underage tallent coming through and blaming guys in the county board down there
i have also heard the arguement that some counties cant compete to the top level any more because they dont have enough money
the reality in my opinion all that counts for nothing if the clubs are not producing the players , and it cant just be up to the same clubs to do this all the time either

a similar pattern has formed in the last number of years in clare gaa first in hurling with the likes of clonlara , cratloe , ballyea crusheen ect.. putting in the effort at under age level and producing top quality players , and giving the bigger clubs something to think about

the same for football , the current theme under age the the most likley clubs to be producing county players in the next few years will probably be the likes of corofin, kilfenora clondegad, eire og , cratloe , naomh eoin and o'currys and maybe one or two from miltown and kilmurry ibrickane but the latter not producing as much anymore at under age level
the likes of kilrush , doonbeg, kilkee and even cooreclare ( dispite a good year last year) have all fallen well below there own standers and have little coming through from under age i expect the shift to continue for a number of years to come

I believe Cooraclare have a good minor team this year?The others are struggling big time

windy shepard henderson

Gael85 wrote: »

I believe Cooraclare have a good minor team this year?The others are struggling big time

sorry you are right cooreclare have some very good players coming from that minor team peirce lillis is probably there stand out player , possibly there best senior player , think he is only 17/18 and a huge prospect for the future , but like one or two more at that club he is a very good hurler and was on the minor hurling panel this year and has is now starting regularly for ballyea , they have pretty much almost lost thomas downes and damien bourke to hurling as it is but yeah i think they had 4 or 5 on what was a fairly descent minor team this year a number of which were missing for the first game against kerry

windy shepard henderson

Hidalgo wrote: »

Just to point out, club hurling is restarting in 2 weeks time. Bank holiday next weekend is a free weekend afaik

sound for that was full sure it was next weekend , but then again was sure the bank holiday weekend was'nt until 2 weeks time. . :rolleyes:

Clareman

There was talk of a peninsula team in the football last year, but Kilkee got to the quarter final so that didn't happen, I would imagine that it will happen sooner rather than later though.

Gael85

Clareman wrote: »

There was talk of a peninsula team in the football last year, but Kilkee got to the quarter final so that didn't happen, I would imagine that it will happen sooner rather than later though.

I dont think we'll see a peninsula team for a while. Cant see Naomh Eoin/O'Currys joining at the moment either. Kilkee seem to have neglected their under age structure over last 15-20 years. Its harder for some lads to get off the team than on it. Will be between themselves and Shannon Gaels for relegation.

letowski

Clare team unchanged for tomorrows U21 match v Limerick. Hopefully the lads can do it, its a young team this year and winning this will do alot for their confidence and development in the future. Id give them a good chance at home, although Limerick have a very talented team to be fair and have minor success unlike us. The forecast seems iffy tomorrow, if it holds up it should make for a good game in a packed house.

Also, I think this is our 7th Munster U21 final in 8 years or something which is decent going in fairness.

Deise_2012

letowski wrote: »

Clare team unchanged for tomorrows U21 match v Limerick. Hopefully the lads can do it, its a young team this year and winning this will do alot for their confidence and development in the future. Id give them a good chance at home, although Limerick have a very talented team to be fair and have minor success unlike us. The forecast seems iffy tomorrow, if it holds up it should make for a good game in a packed house.

Also, I think this is our 7th Munster U21 final in 8 years or something which is decent going in fairness.

Some going. All ye need now is for the u21 managers to follow the u21 players up to senior level.

Gael85

letowski wrote: »

Clare team unchanged for tomorrows U21 match v Limerick. Hopefully the lads can do it, its a young team this year and winning this will do alot for their confidence and development in the future. Id give them a good chance at home, although Limerick have a very talented team to be fair and have minor success unlike us. The forecast seems iffy tomorrow, if it holds up it should make for a good game in a packed house.

Also, I think this is our 7th Munster U21 final in 8 years or something which is decent going in fairness.

Is Jamie Shanahan on bench or still injured?

lim4ev

letowski wrote: »

Clare team unchanged for tomorrows U21 match v Limerick. Hopefully the lads can do it, its a young team this year and winning this will do alot for their confidence and development in the future. Id give them a good chance at home, although Limerick have a very talented team to be fair and have minor success unlike us. The forecast seems iffy tomorrow, if it holds up it should make for a good game in a packed house.

Also, I think this is our 7th Munster U21 final in 8 years or something which is decent going in fairness.

Fair impressive record clare should be pushing on and winning more at snr level and I think a change would serve clare well at this point in time,limerick have a young team too should be a cracker clare beat a crack Waterford side and we were luck to get over tipp and with home advantage it should favour clare.

Can't wait for it, clare u16 v limk u16 before it at 5pm I think

letowski

Gael85 wrote:

Is Jamie Shanahan on bench or still injured?

Still injured, he was with the panel alright but not togged the last day. He just cant catch a break from injuries but this one is a right mess. He only had the operation on his shoulder mid spring which more or less takes him out for the year. I think the Bridge feel he might be able to play some part later in the year, but its probably unlikely. We could do with him on this team, as we dont have any ball winners while its a big Limerick half back line.

Its dissapointing because he got an injury free run there for about 12 months where he played well for the Bridge that won the Canon and then with the Clare u21s, and also got his first senior game v Wexford. He had good potential, but maybe not so much anymore, sadly. He played 3 years minor.

letowski

Disappointing to lose that game, Limerick were the better team, but fair play to our guys they battled hard to the finish. We can't ask for much more really.

Overall the was similarities to the senior in which we badly struggled physically and our short game was poor. It's then you realise how good the like of Podge and Galvin were for us the last few years, our short game just wasn't as accurate today. I think though Clare need to start looking at producing bigger players around midfield. I think it's becoming a huge issue now with Clare hurling, we only have like 2 actual ball winners in our senior championship 24 (Conlon and Peter Duggan), if Conlon gets injured were badly stuck. Our minor team had a few bigger lads so hopefully we can get some from there. Limerick we well set up, their half backline played deep and the brought Cian Lynch out the field and succeeded in dominating possession and cutting space off to our lads.

The lads can be proud of their efforts this year and they were close today. Alot of players have improved hugely since minor and today's game in front of 15,000 will stand to them. There's some very talented players there and nearly all are underage again so hopefully they can give a good shot at it next year.

Keano

Disappointing end to what has been a great few years.

They got a handy few frees that brought them back to life and we never got going again. They out fought us then for the remainder and the goal we needed never looked likely.

deaddonkey15

A lot of over carrying and running into dead ends - Limerick must have scored five or six points from turning over the ball from those mistakes. A few intercepted puckouts too. Clare full back line was fairly solid. Conor Cleary was excellent. Shane O'Donnell was disappointing though. Worrying that he was kept under control by a lad who I think was playing minor last year. Some of Limerick players look very good. Diarmuid Byrnes and Ronan Lynch were rock solid. Cian Lynch was fantastic yesterday, his speed and ball control is frightening.

keeponhurling

Did SO'D just peak too early in the season or something ?

During the national league he was brilliant

danganabu

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

A lot of over carrying and running into dead ends - Limerick must have scored five or six points from turning over the ball from those mistakes. A few intercepted puckouts too. Clare full back line was fairly solid. Conor Cleary was excellent. Shane O'Donnell was disappointing though. Worrying that he was kept under control by a lad who I think was playing minor last year. Some of Limerick players look very good. Diarmuid Byrnes and Ronan Lynch were rock solid. Cian Lynch was fantastic yesterday, his speed and ball control is frightening.

FB was excellent, as he was against Waterford, the no.4 was brutal and could easily have walked for consistent fouling, he even foulded the corner forward who had no hurl at one stage and Lynch rifled over the free.

citykat

danganabu wrote: »

FB was excellent, as he was against Waterford, the no.4 was brutal and could easily have walked for consistent fouling, he even foulded the corner forward who had no hurl at one stage and Lynch rifled over the free.

+1. Think it was for the fourth foul that he picked up the yellow. That one without the hurl was a poor one to concede tbh.

citykat

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

A lot of over carrying and running into dead ends - Limerick must have scored five or six points from turning over the ball from those mistakes. A few intercepted puckouts too. Clare full back line was fairly solid. Conor Cleary was excellent. Shane O'Donnell was disappointing though. Worrying that he was kept under control by a lad who I think was playing minor last year. Some of Limerick players look very good. Diarmuid Byrnes and Ronan Lynch were rock solid. Cian Lynch was fantastic yesterday, his speed and ball control is frightening.

Is that not a consequence of the Clare strategy i.e. short puck outs, short passes? The strategy breaks down when there's nobody in support of the 'runner' which happened on occasion last night. I thought O'Donnell played well under the circumstances considering the attention he was getting and the fact that he was being double/triple marked at times.

letowski

It was more difficult I think for the management this year as it was more or less a new young team. Up til our 3 in a row we had players like David Mc, Morey, Galvin from the back that were excellent bringing the ball out from the back. I think tge team will learn this year and hopefilly get better next year. It was clear that Limerick were the more succesful team, they made less mistakes under pressure.

I dont know what is peoples opinions on Clares style of play. I think Davy and Maloney/Maloney/O'Connors philosohy of a short game is ok as we have a very small group of player right now. I dont think the Clare u21 mgmt had much choice in playing the ball short against an a over 6'3 LK half back line playing deep. Davy's over defensive set is very frustrating no doubt.

68deville

letowski wrote: »

It was more difficult I think for the management this year as it was more or less a new young team. Up til our 3 in a row we had players like David Mc, Morey, Galvin from the back that were excellent bringing the ball out from the back. I think tge team will learn this year and hopefilly get better next year. It was clear that Limerick were the more succesful team, they made less mistakes under pressure.

I dont know what is peoples opinions on Clares style of play. I think Davy and Maloney/Maloney/O'Connors philosohy of a short game is ok as we have a very small group of player right now. I dont think the Clare u21 mgmt had much choice in playing the ball short against an a over 6'3 LK half back line playing deep. Davy's over defensive set is very frustrating no doubt.

And there the problem is with clare,when the keeper has to give it long the HF line is under massive pressure, watched Clare's keeper last year in senior puck
Half a dozen balls down on one side to the pitch to his forwards and Wexfords Andrew Shore thought it was his birthday,he fielded ever puck out that came his way

windy shepard henderson

round up of this weekends championship results

winners group

clonlara 3-14 1-11 o'callaghans mills
N.O.F 0-13 1-11 clooney/quinn
sixmilebridge 0-17 1-12 crusheen
ballyea 0-21 1-14 kilmaley

losers group

eire og 0-16 1-09 tubber
tulla 1-12 0-13 feekle
cratloe 1-21 1-17 whitegate
inagh/kilnamona 3-18 -0-21 clarecastle

intermediate championship
partin 1-19 - 2-13 scarriff
wolfe tones 4-18 0-07 inagh/kilnamona
smith o'briens 2-20 - 2-08 clarecastle
doora/barefield 5-23 0-03 ogonnelloe
ruan 1-16 - 0-09 cratloe
broadford 2-22 0-15 corofin
newmarket 1-12 -2-08 crusheen
sixmilebridge 4-20 0-09 killenana

Clareman

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

N.O.F 0-13 1-11 clooney/quinn

This was the only match I was at all weekend and I have no ties to either club, but if that ref ever gets another game in Clare it's a disgrace, once of the worst displays from a man in the middle that I've ever seen, not only was he not up to the pace but he seemed hell bent on making sure that Clooney/Quin didn't lose.

windy shepard henderson

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

round up of this weekends championship results

winners group

clonlara 3-14 1-11 o'callaghans mills
N.O.F 0-13 1-11 clooney/quinn
sixmilebridge 0-17 1-12 crusheen
ballyea 0-21 1-14 kilmaley

losers group

eire og 0-16 1-09 tubber
tulla 1-12 0-13 feekle
cratloe 1-21 1-17 whitegate
inagh/kilnamona 3-18 -0-21 clarecastle

intermediate championship
partin 1-19 - 2-13 scarriff
wolfe tones 4-18 0-07 inagh/kilnamona
smith o'briens 2-20 - 2-08 clarecastle
doora/barefield 5-23 0-03 ogonnelloe
ruan 1-16 - 0-09 cratloe
broadford 2-22 0-15 corofin
newmarket 1-12 -2-08 crusheen
sixmilebridge 4-20 0-09 killenana

draw for the play off rounds and relegation play off monday evening
big shock for clarecastle to find themselves in the relegation play off with feekle , tubber and whitegate


big result today for tulla, had a couple of bad years behind them , big derby with neighbors feekle the win keeps them senior and in the hat for the play offs , cratloe and eire og's narrow victory's suggests that both will have to up the anti for the next round if they are to have a say in things later on . great win for inagh/ kilnamona who probably got the short straw when the draw was made

tony kelly scored 12 of ballyea's tally today for there big win over kilmaley , and setting themselves up as real contenders now with cratloe previously accounted for ,to better that yessterday niall gilligan scored 0-10 of sixmilebridge's 0-17 points against dogged crusheen , clonlara in my opinion still look like the team to beat with a big win over the mills , while the result of the round has to go to clooney/quinn and there one point win over newmarket on fergus , when not many were giving them a chance

the teams in the 1/4 are

ballyea
sixmilebridge
clooney/qunn
clonlara

the playoff teams
cratloe
eire og
tulla
inagh/kilnamona

will meet one of

newmarket
crusheen
kilmaley
o'callaghans mills

the 4 winners will progress to the 1/4 finals .

windy shepard henderson

Clareman wrote: »

This was the only match I was at all weekend and I have no ties to either club, but if that ref ever gets another game in Clare it's a disgrace, once of the worst displays from a man in the middle that I've ever seen, not only was he not up to the pace but he seemed hell bent on making sure that Clooney/Quin didn't lose.

was'nt there but heard the same thing yesterday , these things do happen quite regularly at this level especially if refferees get there noses up at criticism early on to be fair it is a great achievement for clooney/quinn to get this far but these things do happen as far as refs are concerned

CheltenhamJ

I was there too and as a neutral I can only agree , was amazed game didn't boil over as a result and thought there would be more "afters" , clooney did well and missed a lot of score able frees , still hard to see either lift silverware

letowski

windy shepard henderson wrote:

tony kelly scored 12 of ballyea's tally today for there big win over kilmaley , and setting themselves up as real contenders now with cratloe previously accounted for ,to better that yessterday niall gilligan scored 0-10 of sixmilebridge's 0-17 points against dogged crusheen , clonlara in my opinion still look like the team to beat with a big win over the mills , while the result of the round has to go to clooney/quinn and there one point win over newmarket on fergus , when not many were giving them a chance

Clonlara look very strong alright, I was looking at their team sheet, they have an array of attacking talent. Stack knows how to win county championships too.
I was at the Bridge v Crusheen game, wasnt a bad hour of hurling, a good battle that will stand to both teams. Crusheen could have snuck a draw with too bad wides at the end, but they will be back. The bridge didnt start Seadna Morey and keep their unbeaten record this year. They look good too, the have the Kerry manager Eamonn Kelly as selector and are well setup. Yeah the young lad of the Niall Gilligan's is playing well too.
I wouldnt rule out Cratloe despite their not so good form and Podges injury. Like last year both county senior teams are out now and they have full access to their players. Once they get into their schdule I think they will be back on form and tough to beat. Ballyea look good too.

tatoo

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

was'nt there but heard the same thing yesterday , these things do happen quite regularly at this level especially if refferees get there noses up at criticism early on to be fair it is a great achievement for clooney/quinn to get this far but these things do happen as far as refs are concerned

Early on he chose to ignore CQs star forward who was certainly very "up" for the game, to put it charitably.
I think the ref was hellbent on aiding Clooney whatever happened, you'd wonder if his close association with the Clare seniors and their forwards coach had anything to do with it, which or whether it was a very shoddy refereeing performance.