Clare GAA discussion thread

keeponhurling

Clareman wrote: »

I had an interesting conversation with someone well connected to a few of the players/county board, apparently a few of the players have left the country and haven't passed on their number to Davy and have told others not to pass them on either,

Sure the season is over as far as the senior panel is concerned.
The panel going into the 2016 season will be announced towards the end of the year, no?

thinkstoomuch1

keeponhurling wrote: »

Sure the season is over as far as the senior panel is concerned.
The panel going into the 2016 season will be announced towards the end of the year, no?

That's it exactly there entitled to leave as November before there back

Limestone Cowboy

Clareman wrote: »

I had an interesting conversation with someone well connected to a few of the players/county board, apparently a few of the players have left the country and haven't passed on their number to Davy and have told others not to pass them on either, others are getting more calls now from Davy than they did throughout the year. Davy has reached out to some of the club managers but he has burnt that bridge last year, apparently 1 manager has said (quite openly) that last year Davy was blaming us for the start of Clare hurling now he wants to be our best friend.

Bottom line is the club managers aren't Davy's best friends, a few players are taking a break and Davy is trying to drum up support.

I find it a bit sad that I hope all this is true clareman. If the man stood back and looked at what has happened and what is going on at the moment you would think he would step down as manager and retain some bit of respect. Fed up of all the controversy and hearsay surrounding the team this year and last now, I have heard and read so many story's the last week I don't know what to believe

LuckyGent88

Clareman wrote: »

I had an interesting conversation with someone well connected to a few of the players/county board, apparently a few of the players have left the country and haven't passed on their number to Davy and have told others not to pass them on either, others are getting more calls now from Davy than they did throughout the year. Davy has reached out to some of the club managers but he has burnt that bridge last year, apparently 1 manager has said (quite openly) that last year Davy was blaming us for the start of Clare hurling now he wants to be our best friend.

Bottom line is the club managers aren't Davy's best friends, a few players are taking a break and Davy is trying to drum up support.

Well Tony Kelly was playing against Dowling and Hannon in New York at the weekend and they are getting well compensated for going over. Getting paid per match too. Think there are 6 gone to the states and a couple more to Spain. Well deserved break in fairness but harsh on clubs IMO.

Also heard from a very reliable source that our u21 team trained up in north Clare 2 weeks ago and then went to the willie Clancy for a few beverages afterwards. Seems like donal Moloney has a much more lenient view on how to prepare for a match and it certainly worked.

Hidalgo

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Well Tony Kelly was playing against Dowling and Hannon in New York at the weekend and they are getting well compensated for going over. Getting paid per match too. Think there are 6 gone to the states and a couple more to Spain. Well deserved break in fairness but harsh on clubs IMO.

Also heard from a very reliable source that our u21 team trained up in north Clare 2 weeks ago and then went to the willie Clancy for a few beverages afterwards. Seems like donal Moloney has a much more lenient view on how to prepare for a match and it certainly worked.

U21 and senior are different ball games tbh. U21 grade is almost exclusively hurling based. It doesn't have the llevel of strength & conditioning, nutrition, even game plans. It's more pure hurling.


Anyways, tickets for next Thursday went on sale this morning.

Hidalgo

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Well Tony Kelly was playing against Dowling and Hannon in New York at the weekend and they are getting well compensated for going over. Getting paid per match too. Think there are 6 gone to the states and a couple more to Spain. Well deserved break in fairness but harsh on clubs IMO.

Also heard from a very reliable source that our u21 team trained up in north Clare 2 weeks ago and then went to the willie Clancy for a few beverages afterwards. Seems like donal Moloney has a much more lenient view on how to prepare for a match and it certainly worked.

U21 and senior are different ball games tbh. U21 grade is almost exclusively hurling based. It doesn't have the llevel of strength & conditioning, nutrition, even game plans. It's more pure hurling.


Anyways, tickets for next Thursday went on sale this morning.

washman3

Lads, do ye reckon I could buy a ticket at the grounds before the game or will this game be sold out in advance.?
Safer to have one travelling up...?

windy shepard henderson

washman3 wrote: »

Lads, do ye reckon I could buy a ticket at the grounds before the game or will this game be sold out in advance.?
Safer to have one travelling up...?

dont know if it will sell out but it could go close , especially as its limerick and they could bring up a big crowd giving they are out of the senior championship as well, it would probably be safer to buy them in advance

keeponhurling

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

dont know if it will sell out but it could go close , especially as its limerick and they could bring up a big crowd giving they are out of the senior championship as well, it would probably be safer to buy them in advance

Just swim across that little river at the back, but don't forget to bring a towel to dry off afterwards

Twiceasnice97

keeponhurling wrote: »

Sure the season is over as far as the senior panel is concerned.
The panel going into the 2016 season will be announced towards the end of the year, no?

By who ?

Twiceasnice97

washman3 wrote: »

Lads, do ye reckon I could buy a ticket at the grounds before the game or will this game be sold out in advance.?
Safer to have one travelling up...?

any centra super valu that sells gaa tickets will have them
three sides of the ground are terraced. it will be risky totravel without a ticket. i dont expect a sell out but it could happen

Gael85

Any results from todays championship games?
Cratloe/KIB and Kilkee/OCurrys should be good games tomorrow

Hidalgo

Ennistymon held on to beat Eire Og 3 06 to 0 13. Bit of a ruckus at ht by all accounts.
Breckans beat Lissycasey by a point after extra time. 1 14 to 0 16.
Cooraclare beat Wolfe Tones 1 11 to 1 10

Limestone Cowboy

Hidalgo wrote: »

Ennistymon held on to beat Eire Og 3 06 to 0 13. Bit of a ruckus at ht by all accounts.
Breckans beat Lissycasey by a point after extra time. 1 14 to 0 16.
Cooraclare beat Wolfe Tones 1 11 to 1 10

Big win for breckan's there, wasn't expecting that!

Hidalgo

Clonegad beat Shannon Gaels also yesterday. Something like 2 11 to 1 07 but don't take that as official. I half heard a score on Clare fm. Gary Brennan didn't start by all accounts

LuckyGent88

How the hell did we loose to this cork team. They are brutal.

niallo27

Lost to two teams who were both destroyed the next day out. What does that say about this Clare team.

deaddonkey15

niallo27 wrote: »

Lost to two teams who were both destroyed the next day out. What does that say about this Clare team.

It says that we need a manager who can take us forward and not backwards. One who can get the most out of our players and not have Conor McGrath playing centre field.

Gael85

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

How the hell did we loose to this cork team. They are brutal.

Thinking the exact same. Surely the county board should be questioning the performance of Clare management team now over last 2 years?

Clareman

We need to have a manager that realises that we can score more than our opponents, or more importantly realise that we should concentrate on ourselves and let our opponents react to us rather than have 9 different game plans in case something happens.

From 10-15 we are as good as anyone else in the country, I'm not saying we're better, but we're as good.
From 2-4 we're as dicey as f**k but we've great hurlers in each position, we haven't been exposed too badly in the last few years
From 4-7 we've great attacking players, but we don't have a great "block" like we had with Doyle/McMahon/Daly. we have spent the last 2 years trying to use this line as a "backs" line, we need to realise that this is where everything is bypassed unless it's open play and then it's off you go.

8-9, I'm going to get a bit ranty here and I apologise in advance.

Midfield should be your sweepers, they should be picking off scores or doing the hard work, in the last few years Clare have decided to try to get rid of the midfeild, ffs our best wing forward the last day was started there, the best midfielder Clare ever had doesn't have any thumbs, they aren'te there to win ball, they are there to clean up and support, they are your sweepers by definition.

Looking at todays 2 games, I've no doubt that we could have won either of those games but Rushe's sending off was what we're trying to protect against, he's a brilliant player, as good as anyone in the country if not better, but he gets dragged into a battle that he's not suited for. If the batter was skills he would have beaten his opponent every day of the week, if the battle was Championship hurling in Semple then it needs something else.

Clare hurling needs to realise that we've the players to win and that we don't need to do anything to beat our opponents, we just need to setup our best team as possible and let the opposition adapt to us rather than us setup in line what we think or opponents will do.

letowski

I think defensively we were not too bad this year, if you take away the frees conceded. We didn't ship too high a score or goals. I understand we were playing sweeper the whole time, but Galway and Waterford show you can still hit a good score if you attack with proper structure. Setting up right offensively is something mostly Davy has consistently failed to achieve in his tenure. SOD up top isolated, McGrath around the 65, Golden at half forward, etc. has not properly worked and whether he is there next year or not, we desperately need someone new in the management who can bring a better strategy. I think that's Fergal Lynch's role, which is tough on him as he has no real experience at inter county coaching. Also a proper skills coach is of absolute paramount going into next year. Davy's decision not to go with one this year was a beyond awful call. Our sharpness and accuracy in our hurling was miles to where it should have been.

We a good bit off the top right now unfortunately, but I like to think if get the best of this group we will be tough to stop. We haven't won a good standard competitive game in 2 years, which is demoralizing.

windy shepard henderson

just to break with the trend for the moment the club football championship started this weekend here are the scores from the first round of games , the hurling club championship will resume next weekend ( i know i know . none of us wanted to be in a possition where all we have to look forward to for the rest of the year is only club stuff at senior level :mad:)

yesterday

ennistymon 3-06 - 0-13 Eire og
st breackens 1-14 -0-16 lissycaesy
clondegad 2-11 -1-07 shannon gaels
cooreclare 1-11 - 1-10 wolfe tones

today

O'currys 2-08 -0-05 kilkee
cratloe 4-09 - 2-09 kilmurry ibrickane
kilrush 3-09 - 1-07 doora/barefield

IFC

GROUP 1
kilfenora 2-09 -0-10 kildysart

GROUP 2

Naomh Eoin 1-12 -1-12 Corofin
kilmihil 2-10 - 0-8 liscannor

windy shepard henderson

just to add to the club championship

the teams in the winners round are as follows

doonbeg/miltown malbay winners
clondegad
kilrush
O'currys
cratloe
st breackens
ennistymon
cooreclare

the losers round looks very tough , could be an early exit for one or two big guns

eire og
kilmurry ibrickane
doonbeg/ miltown loosers
lissycasey
wolf tones
doora/barefield
kilkee
shannon gaels

Clareman

letowski wrote: »

I think defensively we were not too bad this year,

In the league we conceded 9 goals, this is the most of the league.

letowski wrote: »

if you take away the frees conceded.

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that in my world, conceding a free 65 meters out is conceding a point

letowski wrote: »

We didn't ship too high a score or goals.

Huh???

letowski wrote: »

I understand we were playing sweeper the whole time, but Galway and Waterford show you can still hit a good score if you attack with proper structure. Setting up right offensively is something mostly Davy has consistently failed to achieve in his tenure.

I agree 1,000,000,0000,000x1,0000 with this

letowski wrote: »

SOD up top isolated, McGrath around the 65, Golden at half forward, etc. has not properly worked and whether he is there next year or not, we desperately need someone new in the management who can bring a better strategy. I think that's Fergal Lynch's role, which is tough on him as he has no real experience at inter county coaching. Also a proper skills coach is of absolute paramount going into next year. Davy's decision not to go with one this year was a beyond awful call. Our sharpness and accuracy in our hurling was miles to where it should have been.

I was going to pick out each player point, but if ANY manager is reliant on 1 individual to perform a task then that manager has failed. FFS SoD was a sub in 2013 and now he's a critical cog, don't give me that.

letowski wrote: »

We a good bit off the top right now

We can't reach the quarter finals which means we're just about in the top-10

letowski wrote: »

unfortunately,

Agreed, but this isn't a recent thing, we over-relied on the team of the late 90's, we aren't Kilkenny, but FFS NO ONE ELSE IS, we've as much right as any other team to lose All Ireland's, at least get there

letowski wrote: »

but I like to think if get the best of this group we will be tough to stop.

I agree think if we get the best of our players we'll be tough to beat, but if Antrim get the best of their players they'll be tough to beat, if Carlow get the best of their players they'll be tough t beat, if Dublin get the best of their players they'll be tough to beat, I could go through the alphabet bet ultimately they'll be beaten, no point in being tough be beaten if you're always going to be beaten, show me a close loser and I'll show you a loser, being beaten by a point here and there is grand if you want to be continue being a loser.

letowski wrote: »

We haven't won a good standard competitive game in 2 years, which is demoralizing.

It's f**king heart breaking, the team of the 90's was based on a minor team that was central on Fitz, O'Halloran, Hegarty, Clancy,O'Connor, McMahon, Baker, F. Lohan, S. Mc that had a few lads that were close to the same age, B. Lohan, Daly, Tuohy, and a few more that would do anything they could for Clare, Doyle, O'Loughlin, O'Connell.
Now we've 2 groups of players coming through that have gotten us 1 All Ireland what looks like no more.

Gael85

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

just to break with the trend for the moment the club football championship started this weekend here are the scores from the first round of games , the hurling club championship will resume next weekend ( i know i know . none of us wanted to be in a possition where all we have to look forward to for the rest of the year is only club stuff at senior level :mad:)

yesterday

ennistymon 3-06 - 0-13 Eire og
st breackens 1-14 -0-16 lissycaesy
clondegad 2-11 -1-07 shannon gaels
cooreclare 1-11 - 1-10 wolfe tones

today

O'currys 2-08 -0-05 kilkee
cratloe 4-09 - 2-09 kilmurry ibrickane
kilrush 3-09 - 1-07 doora/barefield

IFC

GROUP 1
kilfenora 2-09 -0-10 kildysart

GROUP 2

Naomh Eoin 1-12 -1-12 Corofin
kilmihil 2-10 - 0-8 liscannor

Any word on brawl in Ennistymon Eire Og game?
Surprised O'Currys beat Kilkee so well with Ger Quinlan missing.

windy shepard henderson

Gael85 wrote: »

Any word on brawl in Ennistymon Eire Og game?
Surprised O'Currys beat Kilkee so well with Ger Quinlan missing.

o' currys have a number of lads coming through from u21 and minor clare teams kilkee have had no underage for years now i would have them down as relegation candidates , although the likely hood is shannon gaels will probably go this year

there was a brawll at half time as the teams entered the tunnel it was a fairly niggly game dont think anything will come out of it it was'nt like as if any one was badly injured or anything but just one of those incedients , the two dug outs are very close to the tunnel so it esclated quickly , huge shock though Eire og are one of the favorites this year

Boots234

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

just to add to the club championship

the teams in the winners round are as follows

doonbeg/miltown malbay winners
clondegad
kilrush
O'currys
cratloe
st breackens
ennistymon
cooreclare

the losers round looks very tough , could be an early exit for one or two big guns

eire og
kilmurry ibrickane
doonbeg/ miltown loosers
lissycasey
wolf tones
doora/barefield
kilkee
shannon gaels

When will the draw be made for the losers round and how will it work with 4 winners from the losers round joining the 8 teams from the first round? That will bring it to 12 teams....

Good wins for Kilmihil and Kilfenora in the intermediate championship while Naomh Eoin and Corofin drew. Haven't heard the result of Eire Og and Clarecastle

keeponhurling

niallo27 wrote: »

Lost to two teams who were both destroyed the next day out. What does that say about this Clare team.

You need to narrow it down a bit more, football or hurling ?

Gael85

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

o' currys have a number of lads coming through from u21 and minor clare teams kilkee have had no underage for years now i would have them down as relegation candidates , although the likely hood is shannon gaels will probably go this year

there was a brawll at half time as the teams entered the tunnel it was a fairly niggly game dont think anything will come out of it it was'nt like as if any one was badly injured or anything but just one of those incedients , the two dug outs are very close to the tunnel so it esclated quickly , huge shock though Eire og are one of the favorites this year

Kilkee will be junior when Russell and OShea finish up.O'Currys and Naomh Eoin have done great work at juvenile level.There 4/5 players between 2 clubs on Clare minors this year.Great to see

commonsense.

LuckyGent88 wrote:

How the hell did we loose to this cork team. They are brutal.

Today's Cork/Galway result should set off the alarm bells in Clare.
Despite yer league results I thought Clare were going to have a big say in this years championship. I have now come firmly to the conclusion that Davy is simply holding back a bunch of very talented hurlers.
What ye need us a new manager who trusts his players and allows them to express themselves. Looks like its going to be at least another year before that will happen.