Clare GAA discussion thread

Figerty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cusack brilliant pundit and calls it as it is

I heard today clare players want him there

Davy said after game he'll be back next year

Cusack the brilliant pundit had to apologise about a wrong call on a point last week.
Cusack the brilliant pundit was put back in his box last week by Daly about putting Rushe back in at Centre back...

How did that work out this week...

Now he backs Davy,, If I was a Cork man, I would back Davy...

thinkstoomuch1

Figerty wrote: »

Cusack the brilliant pundit had to apologise about a wrong call on a point last week.
Cusack the brilliant pundit was put back in his box last week by Daly about putting Rushe back in at Centre back...

How did that work out this week...

Now he backs Davy,, If I was a Cork man, I would back Davy...

Well he got call wrong but honesty admit wrong


As rush Saturday showed Dublin no forwards so has imo moved up

pajoguy

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He said well be back fighting next year

Sorry i thought you meant Davy said Paul be back

thinkstoomuch1

pajoguy wrote: »

Sorry i thought you meant Davy said Paul be back

He's abroad travelling but back start September or around as far as I know


Id say he'll rejoin clare again in autumn training when start in November back again id say with Fitzgerald

My guess I may be wrong

Maybe davy will resign I can't see it

Only way he'll go if players say so

marco_polo

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He's abroad travelling but back start September or around as far as I know


Id say he'll rejoin clare again in autumn training when start in November back again id say with Fitzgerald

My guess I may be wrong

Maybe davy will resign I can't see it

Only way he'll go if players say so

If Kinnerk is the difference between success and failure of this team then what exactly is the middleman (Davy) bringing to the party? If thats really is the case then that almost makes it worse IMO.

I have plenty of respect for Davy for both 2013 and his playing days, but I am 100% in agreement with letowski, at best the team has stagnated or even regressed in the past two years, its nothing personal but the time seems right for a fresh voice in the camp.

I do expect he will see out his term, and while it might not necessarily be a complete disaster (it is not beyond the bounds of possibly that he could turn it around), I certainly won't be bursting with optimism for 2016 with the current management still in place.

windy shepard henderson

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He's abroad travelling but back start September or around as far as I know


Id say he'll rejoin clare again in autumn training when start in November back again id say with Fitzgerald

My guess I may be wrong

Maybe davy will resign I can't see it

Only way he'll go if players say so

county board will not sack him as his father is his boss
players do actually have great time for him by all accounts
he didnt look or sound like a guy that had any intention of quiting yeterday , and to sum him up , at a function a week after losing to cork in the munster semi final two years ago he told those across the table from him that he had X amount of years in charge of clare and he was going nowhere until the tenure was up , he did talk very highly of the players and did expect to have an all ireland won by now , which at the time was something that was not seen to be on the cards

clare supporters are as i said in the past slightly more morally guided then most other counties even to the point of some people that he makes clare supporters look bad by his sideline/ interview antics , i gather by the views of some of the waterford , limerick, galway and now even cork supporters that they would easily take or leave all that stuff for another all irealnd giving each county feel they have gone too long with out one

citykat

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cusack brilliant pundit and calls it as it is

Brilliant wouldn't be the word I'd use. Skilful PR operator yes. Think he lets his innate bias cloud his judgement i.e. his antagonism against Kilkenny. IMO analysis in general is for people who don't know a sport and need it explained to them.

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/davy-fitzgerald-we-didnt-want-to-take-john-conlon-off-342123.html

I backed davy where I feel it is warranty but here is prove I don't agree all he says

He's complete wrong with regard conlon in as if hint why lost game when be fair aidan Walsh dominated him

What is talking about regards he was told take conlon off by who

I find it hard to believe referee would do that if he's implying that

Mountainlad

Did Kinnerk not take a position with limerick underage football development, similar to what Daly is doing? Mark my words lads, he won't be back.

Davy failed massively on Saturday. Cork are a decent side but not one capable of challenging the top two. Clare were supposed to be the dark horses, fully fit team no excuses. There's been to many in the past year as ye are aware in fairness. 2 competitive wins since about March or April last year, one against Dublin in the league and the other v Offaly is not good enough for all Ireland champions.

Wasn't sure at the time but the credit Kinnerk was getting for the all Ireland in 2013 seems to be ringing true more and more.

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

Did Kinnerk not take a position with limerick underage football development, similar to what Daly is doing? Mark my words lads, he won't be back.

Davy failed massively on Saturday. Cork are a decent side but not one capable of challenging the top two. Clare were supposed to be the dark horses, fully fit team no excuses. There's been to many in the past year as ye are aware in fairness. 2 competitive wins since about March or April last year, one against Dublin in the league and the other v Offaly is not good enough for all Ireland champions.

Wasn't sure at the time but the credit Kinnerk was getting for the all Ireland in 2013 seems to be ringing true more and more.

Yeah but he's played football limerick but you see wouldn't join hurling as wouldn't allow possession game and he said he'd be open clare hurling

He'll come back i guess

cnoc

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I backed davy where I feel it is warranty but here is prove I don't agree all he says

He's complete wrong with regard conlon in as if hint why lost game when be fair aidan Walsh dominated him

What is talking about regards he was told take conlon off by who

I find it hard to believe referee would do that if he's implying that

Were you cheering for Cork or Davy last Saturday evening?

thinkstoomuch1

cnoc wrote: »

Were you cheering for Cork or Davy last Saturday evening?

I'm not going to answer that question now with respect
You know two well the answer

Going forward who would you like as the next management as people want davy out then must offer better alternative

cnoc

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'm not going to answer that question now with respect
You know two well the answer

Going forward who would you like as the next management as people want davy out then must offer better alternative

A few names spring to mind - Anthony Daly, Brina Lohan, Jamsie O'Connor, under 21 mngt team. Liam Sheedy would be tops but I can't see him being interested.

thinkstoomuch1

cnoc wrote: »

A few names spring to mind - Anthony Daly, Brina Lohan, Jamsie O'Connor, under 21 mngt team. Liam Sheedy would be tops but I can't see him being interested.

Daly has been there done that and to be fair has been solid with clare and Dublin but never won all ireland

He's teams are build on defence styles so clare fans bemoan davy lack of attack won't get change with daly in this regard


Dublin don't forget were beaten by Antrim and huge beating to kk early on and average cork team beat Dublin all ireland final
Clare say performance is not good enough with Davy it's about winning
Nothing proved daly can win an all Ireland


Lohan with ul but hasn't won anything there or maybe he did

He's done nothing else but with cratloe yes impressive I'll admit

O Connor is with flannan building good harty team next year but he's never coaches under age or other team prove he's man senior clare side


Sheedy yes is brilliant but won't go to another county


My point is no point in saying davy should go unless there is proven better options

All your options have risk attacked

Kinnerk would with Davy be the safest option imo

Figerty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Daly has been there done that and to be fair has been solid with clare and Dublin but never won all ireland

He's teams are build on defence styles so clare fans bemoan davy lack of attack won't get change with daly in this regard


Dublin don't forget were beaten by Antrim and huge beating to kk early on and average cork team beat Dublin all ireland final
Clare say performance is not good enough with Davy it's about winning
Nothing proved daly can win an all Ireland


Lohan with ul but hasn't won anything there or maybe he did

He's done nothing else but with cratloe yes impressive I'll admit

O Connor is with flannan building good harty team next year but he's never coaches under age or other team prove he's man senior clare side


Sheedy yes is brilliant but won't go to another county


My point is no point in saying davy should go unless there is proven better options

All your options have risk attacked

Kinnerk would with Davy be the safest option imo

Lohan won the Fitz with UL this year.

The progress that Daly made with Dublin is notable, the difficulty with Daly is the boom/bust with Dublin. Daly played a sweeper with Clare against Kilkenny a few years ago. It was innovative at the time and KK nearly cracked under it. Lost a replay after nearly catching KK in a drawn match.
U21 Management for the last 3 years deserve a crack at it,, if they want it.

thinkstoomuch1

Figerty wrote: »

Lohan won the Fitz with UL this year.

The progress that Daly made with Dublin is notable, the difficulty with Daly is the boom/bust with Dublin. Daly played a sweeper with Clare against Kilkenny a few years ago. It was innovative at the time and KK nearly cracked under it. Lost a replay after nearly catching KK in a drawn match.
U21 Management for the last 3 years deserve a crack at it,, if they want it.

They do I agree but are they good enough to manage the set up

Would they be better as a back room team

I agree if the players want davy out he has to go

Hidalgo

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Daly has been there done that and to be fair has been solid with clare and Dublin but never won all ireland

He's teams are build on defence styles so clare fans bemoan davy lack of attack won't get change with daly in this regard


Dublin don't forget were beaten by Antrim and huge beating to kk early on and average cork team beat Dublin all ireland final
Clare say performance is not good enough with Davy it's about winning
Nothing proved daly can win an all Ireland


Lohan with ul but hasn't won anything there or maybe he did

He's done nothing else but with cratloe yes impressive I'll admit

O Connor is with flannan building good harty team next year but he's never coaches under age or other team prove he's man senior clare side


Sheedy yes is brilliant but won't go to another county


My point is no point in saying davy should go unless there is proven better options

All your options have risk attacked

Kinnerk would with Davy be the safest option imo

Getting a new man in has risk attached as you point out.
Keeping as we are has as much or even more risk attached. The risk being that we continue results wise as we have been this yr and last.

Figerty

Hidalgo wrote: »

Getting a new man in has risk attached as you point out.
Keeping as we are has as much or even more risk attached. The risk being that we continue results wise as we have been this yr and last.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

tatoo

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Daly has been there done that and to be fair has been solid with clare and Dublin but never won all ireland

He's teams are build on defence styles so clare fans bemoan davy lack of attack won't get change with daly in this regard


Dublin don't forget were beaten by Antrim and huge beating to kk early on and average cork team beat Dublin all ireland final
Clare say performance is not good enough with Davy it's about winning
Nothing proved daly can win an all Ireland


Lohan with ul but hasn't won anything there or maybe he did

He's done nothing else but with cratloe yes impressive I'll admit

O Connor is with flannan building good harty team next year but he's never coaches under age or other team prove he's man senior clare side


Sheedy yes is brilliant but won't go to another county


My point is no point in saying davy should go unless there is proven better options

All your options have risk attacked

Kinnerk would with Davy be the safest option imo

On yes Kinnerk and Davy, have you any basis to suggest that this belongs to anywhere apart from wishful thinking

tatoo

Hidalgo wrote: »

Getting a new man in has risk attached as you point out.
Keeping as we are has as much or even more risk attached. The risk being that we continue results wise as we have been this yr and last.

And continue to underperform, this risk is we will end up where Offaly have found themselves.

pilate 1

just a thought.one of the most disappointing aspects for me was the withdrawal and re introduction of a player. what must it have been like for unused subs and extended panel members to see this happen? you train and give you're all to see this happen? the only way we will see management change is if those present on the panel decide that enough is enough, and take control of their fast dwindling inter county careers. i,m not a huge fan of player power but i really dont see the will or courage for change otherwise.

Hidalgo

According to Clare FM this morning there certainly won't be changes.
The county board have stated that Davy will see out the remaining 2 years of his contract. Further more there will be no review of the year.

The last line says it all. Between league and championship this year we've only got 2 wins. Add in last year's under performance and it's most disappointing, if not overly surprising that the board will not even conduct a review of the season

Keano

We've only beaten one team in the championship, Offaly, since we won the All Ireland and the county board doesn't see a need to at least review the situation. Beggars belief.

Next year will pretty much be the same. Fitz believes in the system so why change it now?!!

wackokid

Who is the Chairman of the County Board?
If he don't/can't see what Davy is, then Clare do have a big problem.

He's a huge embarrassment and a silly person sadly.

Clareman

Keano wrote: »

We've only beaten one team in the championship, Offaly, since we won the All Ireland and the county board doesn't see a need to at least review the situation. Beggars belief.

Next year will pretty much be the same. Fitz believes in the system so why change it now?!!

But what system? We played about 4 different systems last Saturday alone

Clareman

wackokid wrote: »

Who is the Chairman of the County Board?
If he don't/can't see what Davy is, then Clare do have a big problem.

He's a huge embarrassment and a silly person sadly.

The Chairman doesn't have the power, the true boss of the County Board is Davy's father, not exactly impartial.

thinkstoomuch1

Hidalgo wrote: »

According to Clare FM this morning there certainly won't be changes.
The county board have stated that Davy will see out the remaining 2 years of his contract. Further more there will be no review of the year.

The last line says it all. Between league and championship this year we've only got 2 wins. Add in last year's under performance and it's most disappointing, if not overly surprising that the board will not even conduct a review of the season

They should been a review most definitely and I agree davy family connection to board secretary give him immunity other would not get and that's wrong

thinkstoomuch1

Clareman wrote: »

The Chairman doesn't have the power, the true boss of the County Board is Davy's father, not exactly impartial.

It's like Cork county board chairman no power it's the secretary that runs the show

Keano

Clareman wrote: »

But what system? We played about 4 different systems last Saturday alone

Too true

Hibrasil

Clareman wrote: »

The Chairman doesn't have the power, the true boss of the County Board is Davy's father, not exactly impartial.

Are we talking another Frank Murphy here