Clare GAA discussion thread

Rowley Birkin QC

Did Davey do a post match interview?

blackcard

I think if you asked anyone outside Clare who they wanted as Clare manager in 2016, they would say Davy, because he is the best person to aleniate referees and to hold back an extremely talented bunch of players

deaddonkey15

pajoguy wrote: »

A talented bunch of hurlers are there in clare. But u-21 is a completely different level. No comparison so it doesnt automatically transfer into senior. Although 3 in a row and the other one in 09 should leave in in good health in another few years. It takes time but it might never come. Look at limerick.

A win here and there and a few convincing performances isn't much to ask for. Waterford unbeaten this year and only recent success has been at minor level.

marco_polo

blackcard wrote: »

I think the problem is your manager. Clare have brilliant players so why not play a conventional game. I think Davy wants to be seen as a tactical genius so plays a 1 man full forward line, takes off a player and brings him back on again

They were actually causing a few problems inside in the opening stages and winning plenty ball albeit without much reward, how McGrath and O'Donnell ended up so far out the field in the second half is baffling.

68deville

It not a shock now or a huge scalp ta c how Wex beat Clare last yr,good god
KK or Tipp must be eyeing up a A1 title from here on in

Shortstop12

Figerty wrote: »

That is the most ridiculous comment about a player. You need to take a hard look at your understanding of hurling. It had to be frustrating as a player to day when Clare effectively played 7 backs,, 3 midfield 3 half forwards and 1 full forward..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, maybe you should go to a few club games too you might understand where I'm coming from..

keeponhurling

Keano wrote: »

Why was SOD chasing balls back in his own half, why was Conor McGrath playing midfield?

This amazed me also, what was McGrath doing playing midfield

We were hitting stupid wides because there was nobody inside

But ultimately the game was all to play fur with 5 mins to go, and Cork lifted it

windy shepard henderson

management . . . . . . .. .. . .. . . . that is all!!!!!! . . . . . . .crazy!!!

letowski

I like beer :-)

windy shepard henderson

letowski wrote: »

I like beer :-)

still an awfull lot of qustions to be answered though in fairness , and i was fitz's biggest defender on here in terms of management lately but today/yesterday was bad in fairness i couldnt defend the guy on a number of things he called , but yeah on the bigger picture cork were the better team and to win a game by 3 points after hitting 17 wides deserved there win in truth

Clareman

Assuming that Davy does the right thing and steps down (massive assumption there I know), who should be the next manager?

Personally I think we should go outside the county, we definitely have to cut the ties to the teams from the 90s

keeponhurling

Clareman wrote: »

we definitely have to cut the ties to the teams from the 90s

Why ?

(and I'd assume Daly would be favourite )

Clareman

Cause it's 20 years ago.

Dalo had his shot, time for completely new blood

munsterlegend

Clareman wrote: »

Cause it's 20 years ago.

Dalo had his shot, time for completely new blood

I think Clare need an outside man as to who very hard to know.
Will Davy be pushed though?

As for the match very 50/50 and when clare went 2 up it looked curtains for Cork but they showed great leadership and battling qualities to pull it out out of the fires. Our half back line was superb all through and was the reason we won.

Grueller

Clareman wrote: »

Assuming that Davy does the right thing and steps down (massive assumption there I know), who should be the next manager?

Personally I think we should go outside the county, we definitely have to cut the ties to the teams from the 90s

Keep training to East Clare and maybe Donal O Grady might be an option. With him over a bunch of talented young hurlers like ye have it could be magical.

Clareman

Grueller wrote: »

Keep training to East Clare and maybe Donal O Grady might be an option. With him over a bunch of talented young hurlers like ye have it could be magical.

There has been massive investment into Clare Abbey and Tulla , might as well use those facilities.

An older manager with a good backroom team is what we need, the team having the hurling and fitness we just need someone to manage it without it turning into a circus.

Figerty

Shortstop12 wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, maybe you should go to a few club games too you might understand where I'm coming from..

I go to plenty club games, I know enough about hurling to know Honan is 6'6,unorthodox and has great feet.
He makes run that open channels for other players that open the full forward line up.
If you can't see that,,then going to more matches won't help you. With a hurler like Honan you have to be willing to see past the normal game.

You also have to have a manger that has a team play less like sheep in a heap and having a game plan to use the players he has in a way that opens up a team rather than contain the opposition.

keeponhurling

Clareman wrote: »

An older manager with a good backroom team is what we need, .

But you said the 95/97 team should be discounted for being too old ?!

Reputable Rog

From what I hear the players want Paul Kinnerk in charge and I think he would be the perfect fit.
Outside of Clare I think we should be looking at Liam Sheedy.

Clareman

keeponhurling wrote: »

But you said the 95/97 team should be discounted for being too old ?!

I didn't say they are too old, I said we should cut ties with the teams of the 90s

letowski

One positive from yesterday I thought was Seadna Morey. I think this lad has had it tough because at underage and senior at both club and county theres hardly a position he hadnt played in. He is a hugely skillful player, but I think we saw great amount of maturity and composure in his play yesterday. He had to deal with some difficult balls in but he used his possesion well really well. I think the guy has to start in future Clare teams, we dont have the luxury of benching players of his ability.

As for Davy subbing him for Donnellan late last night, I mean it was a beyond a crazy call..

Figerty

letowski wrote: »

One positive from yesterday I thought was Seadna Morey. I think this lad has had it tough because at underage and senior at both club and county theres hardly a position he hadnt played in. He is a hugely skillful player, but I think we saw great amount of maturity and composure in his play yesterday. He had to deal with some difficult balls in but he used his possesion well really well. I think the guy has to start in future Clare teams, we dont have the luxury of benching players of his ability.

As for Davy subbing him for Donnellan late last night, I mean it was a beyond a crazy call..

I agree, Morey did all he could do; taking him off was a poor call. Bringing back on John Conlon was also strange. Great hurler and all, he wasn't on fire or went off through injury that we know.
It seems after this weekend, that every team is preparing to play against Kilkenny with a sweeper.. even though Kilkenny will just play deep and use their forwards to beat teams.

windy shepard henderson

few harder calls should have been made too , if mcgrath had to come off for cunningham or o'donnell for galvin well fair enough none of the two had there best days yesterday , honan had just scored before he was taking off and i still cant understand the call on morey , aidan walsh had a super game at times but taking off john conlon so early was questionable too especially giving the fact he came back on again

donellan did well when he came on , reidy is probably too small for an out and out inside forward but his pace would have been ideal as an extra man out the field in the podge roll to pick up the breaks and leave someone bigger inside

still a very young team with major bulk of the team under the age of 22 or 23 fitz will see out his tenure next year regardless of how bad things get in my opinion , liam sheedy would be a great man to bring in but i would be looking towards the likes of donal and gerry for when the time dose come

thinkstoomuch1

Donal og Cusack backed davy to a hilt that good enough for me

He said what I said Kinnerk huge huge loss and once he's back davy for future clare hurling should stay

Kinnerk be very good imo to be back and he's coming back

Future very bright for clare hurling

Figerty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Donal og Cusack backed davy to a hilt that good enough for me

He said what I said Kinnerk huge huge loss and once he's back davy for future clare hurling should stay

Kinnerk be very good imo to be back and he's coming back

Future very bright for clare hurling

The blinkers are back on,,,

windy shepard henderson

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Donal og Cusack backed davy to a hilt that good enough for me

He said what I said Kinnerk huge huge loss and once he's back davy for future clare hurling should stay

Kinnerk be very good imo to be back and he's coming back

Future very bright for clare hurling

you are right to a degree but last night on the line was poor on fitz's part and as for a bright future " if i had'nt seen such riches i could live with being poor " is a song lyric that sticks in the brain , we have really stalled since 2013 most of us had expectations of a 1/4 final semi final spot this year in terms of real progress

thinkstoomuch1

Figerty wrote: »

The blinkers are back on,,,

Cusack brilliant pundit and calls it as it is

I heard today clare players want him there

Davy said after game he'll be back next year

pajoguy

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cusack brilliant pundit and calls it as it is

I heard today clare players want him there

Davy said after game he'll be back next year

Did he????

letowski

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

few harder calls should have been made too , if mcgrath had to come off for cunningham or o'donnell for galvin well fair enough none of the two had there best days yesterday , honan had just scored before he was taking off and i still cant understand the call on morey , aidan walsh had a super game at times but taking off john conlon so early was questionable too especially giving the fact he came back on again

donellan did well when he came on , reidy is probably too small for an out and out inside forward but his pace would have been ideal as an extra man out the field in the podge roll to pick up the breaks and leave someone bigger inside

still a very young team with major bulk of the team under the age of 22 or 23 fitz will see out his tenure next year regardless of how bad things get in my opinion , liam sheedy would be a great man to bring in but i would be looking towards the likes of donal and gerry for when the time dose come

When Reidy replaced Golden I think our forward line was:

Cunningham Kelly Reidy
McGrath
Honan
Sod

Thats way too lightweight a half forward line to be playing in intercounty hurling nowadays. I like Reidy, he improves every year and is a decent option to bring on but only in a roving corner forward role.

It's just disappointing, we keep losing to Cork which is frustrating as it kinda reminds us how we just have not kicked on from beating them 2 years ago. I just saw TSG there, and saw the SOD Kelly and Honan first half goal chances again and brought back memories. On those three occasions the forward racing in had a simple overlap to get a shot on goal but were messed up, oh how different it was in the the replayed All-Ireland 2013.

I dont really know anymore, it just never felt right this year. There was signs alright of improvement but we never played good enough to our potential and that accuracy and sharpeness in our skills just was not where it should be. Patch at 6, Conor Ryan at 8, Golden at 12 was never really on either, none of those player have a suitable skillset to play in those positions.

I know youre a big fan of Davy TTM but the whole setup feels stale right now and I think a fresh voice is the right course to take now. With the exception of Brian Cody and Alex Ferguson there very few examples of coaches spending years with a team of continued success. It's no criticism of Davy here but it feels like a natural ending now. I guess we will see over the coming months.

thinkstoomuch1

pajoguy wrote: »

Did he????

He said well be back fighting next year