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N2 - Slane Bypass [planning decision pending]
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To_be_confirmed wrote: »
Not being a moderator here or anything, but there's a report button if you actually have a problem...Lol he has an agenda but nobody opposing him does!?
...This is a silly path of discussion to go down, it's a personal attack which is against the rules here. You're supposed to play the ball and not the man.
You might take your own advice?!
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To_be_confirmed wrote: »I just made a statement of fact, I could hardly be acting as a mod if I linked to the charter for example.
Ok. Grand.A tonne of former national routes, perhaps.
When exactly were the N11, N1, N2, N3, and N4 in the ban area downgraded from National Primary status?
National primary roads are defined by legislation, so you should be able to find the changes on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/And you went out of your way to reach the M50 and out of your way from the M50.
No, it's just the most direct legal route around the ban area from the northside to the southside.
And I could have got longer distances (ie somewhere further east both on the northside and southside).Trucks did, and can still, cross the Liffey at Chapelizod, Lucan, Islandbridge (albeit there's not many places to go outside of the 5-axle ban from there) or by routing around the problem entirely by going through (well, around) Maynooth and heading north/south of the Liffey as required from there.
In short: You can't give an alternative route, can you?
Chapelizod, and Islandbridge: Main Street / Martin's Row have a 3 ton ban, the park excludes commercial traffic and all roads east of the park are in the ban area, so none of those work with the kind of trips we're talking about.
Lucan, Maynooth: Brings you way out of the way, way less direct than the M50.There are no national routes of any description inside the 5-axle ban zone.
Nothing factually incorrect - you may wish to stop claiming that.
And if you want to talk about playing the ball not the man, then I'm afraid that boat has already sailed when tuathal posted this bilge about the
Sure, then he is just as bad.Look, Irish law is clear, before you put up a toll or an HGV ban, there must be alternative route that contains neither. The river in question doesn't have a whole lot of high quality toll free crossings to play around with.
Open to correction, but there is no law on this. If I'm wrong, you should be able to quote the law or case law.0 -
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When exactly were the N11, N1, N2, N3, and N4 in the ban area downgraded from National Primary status?
National primary roads are defined by legislation, so you should be able to find the changes on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/
Look and you will find. They've been detrunked.No, it's just the most direct legal route around the ban area from the northside to the southside.
Its not the most direct. That's blantantly obvious by looking at it.In short: You can't give an alternative route, can you?
I've given alternative routes and you attempt to dismiss it as you're annoyed.
These are the routes that were used before the M50 opened and are still available should traffic not wish to pay the tolls. You do realise that before the M50 was built there were *no* bridges there, right?
An outdated map shows what, exactly?
Are you going to continue to compare a part-time 5-axle ban that was brought in when a free alternative route was built to a proposed "HGV" (presumably actually a 5T ban) with absolutely no alternative route? Because that *is* factually incorrect - unlike your repeated, unproven claims against me of that.0 -
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IANAL, but I'm reasonably sure the government cannot just slap up an HGV ban without considering alternative routes, anymore than it can slap on a Motorway Regulation Order or a toll charge on a road that does not have an alternative route.
There's nothing stopping them legally from putting a HGV ban in.But like I said, it doesn't matter: an HGV ban won't do anything to counter the fact that the roads in the Slane area are totally unsuited to their use in the 21st century and cannot be fixed without new construction.
I really find it bizarre that anyong thinks an HGV ban is a suitable substitute for a bypass in this context.
Sure a HGV ban would do something -- it would take the main hazard off the bridge crossing and the roads leading up to it, including the hill in the village.Roads Act 1993 (Classification of National Roads) Order 2012.
Thanks -- did not realise the change had happened.
Good move overall, but will be a bit annoying when talking about the routes (N1 etc is easier to remember).The only through traffic of any consequence in the area was to/from Dublin Port.
You're claiming there's more local HGV traffic going from one side of Slane to the other than there is local HGV traffic (excluding port traffic) going from the northside within the M50 to the southside within the M50? Seems highly unlikely.The same cannot be said of a National Primary Route.
National Primary Roads can be reclassified
Take the R148 (former N4) in for starters - your route goes hilariously out of the way (Tallaght? Why?) to try and prove a point.
Because that's what Google suggests.
I only picked the start / end points and a random way-point on the M50.0 -
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Except they haven't. The N2 is still a National Primary. Dublin port, however, wasn't even on a primary until it got the M50 DPT. If they "have" replaced the N2, why are people not using it?
The N2 can be downgraded if that makes you feel any better.
Or we can wait a few years -- the Dublin ban area included national roads for what, six years?SCR on to the canal is not. Would have thought you'd know the ban area well enough - clearly not.
[1] Three ton ban applies to that section of the SCR
[2] traffic on the canal craws for half of the day...
[3] and there's also a right turn ban from the canal onto the Rathmines Road.
The route Google suggests starts to look ok.Its the route that those who don't want to pay the M50 toll take; and its what was there before the M50, so you can drop the rolleyes.
:rolleyes:
If such a poor route which takes HGVs so far out of the way is an alternative for Dublin, then something like it or better is ok for Slane?You're the one who keeps crying wrong when, well, it isn't. Haven't been wrong on anything, and when you're shown that you just ignore it. Odd that...
Yes, you have been wrong. Wrong about the SCR, wrong about Islandbridge (which I forgot is also in the ban area), etcYou're completely and utterly unarguable with. Single issue pusher who won't see beyond that.
Go on, forget the rules and try to attack me, because you're not doing very well defending all of the flaws in your arguments.0 -
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