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Renault have there heads Screwed on, and so ahead of everyone else (in my opinion)

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    #62
    bazzachazza
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    So were actually talking here about Nissan technology in a Renault body.

    So its not really Renault who are ahead of everyone and I imagine the range of zero emission cars released will be limited in where they will available like central Paris and Lyon.

    How many decades will it be before we can drive from Dublin to Cork on one charge in a decent looking car and enjoy the trip.:cool:


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    #63
    Rev. BlueJeans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Hydro-electric, as opposed to Hydrogen fuel cells (although, as said, they're coming along too).

    Battery tech will improve, look at how far it's come in the last two decades.

    I see home/car park charging as the way forward, one will be fair easier to implement, maintain, and protect than the other though.


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    #64
    gpjordanf1
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    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    It's already in place in California. There are Hydrogen 7 series driving around.

    At the moment, apparently BMW are abandoning hydrogen
    http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1040470_bmw-halts-7-series-hydrogen-vehicle-testing



    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    At the moment only.

    Ford & BMW have abandoned it, next will be Honda and thats the nail in the coffin.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    No it doesn't. It requires a shed load of water, and a catalyst like Aluminum to allow the molecules to split to oxygen and hydrogen. There was a guy in the 60's who built a water carburettor in his shed. There are childrens toys you can buy now which allow you to make hydrogen and run a car on it.

    You need electricity to make hydrogen, infact you need a lot more electricity to make it than what you get out so your figures are always negative.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    So is petrol :)

    Exactly, hardly a step forward, but Hydrogen is more dangerous.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    There's none for electricity either as it charging points/stations on the road. At one point, there was no delivery network for Petrol - you had to buy it in the local pharmacy. It just needed to become popular for the network to be established. The same is true whether or not the next fuel is electricity, or whether it's Hydrogen. If it is Hydrogen, there's already an established network in place. Fuel Depots, Petrol Stations, Knowledgable Staff - they all just need to be converted. Not the toughest thing in the world.

    So theres no electricity going into stations today? Funny the lights were on when I got the papers this morning ;-)


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    So are the very good electric cars! It's the sh*tty ones which are cheap.

    So wheres the ****ty hydrogen ones? Not around because its an impossibility.


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    The electric car is efficient. The grid needed to charge it is not. Plus, if we do all flip flop to an electric motor in the morning, suddenly we fill every landfill with petrol and diesel cars, and millions of people in the oil processing industry, petrol stations, etc are out of work.

    It will take 20 years to convert to all electric cars, supply & demand. its not a problem. Cars will be scrapped & recycled, again not an issue.
    We still need plastics and other everyday items supplied by this industry, they will not be out of work, good of ya to think of them though, fair play!
    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    Petrol engines have the potential to be converted to a hydrogen system, which will save the environmental disaster that scrapping all our cars, and building nuclear stations to charge all the electric cars will bring.

    You cant convert todays cars when they still haven't figured out how to store it safely. no scrapped cars anymore, they are recycled. If wwe have to go nuclear so be it, as long as we use french or jap designs we'll be fine.


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