Feral teenage gangs - what can be done to protect us?

gurramok

Last night on Ringsend Rd(between Pearse st and Ringsend bus garage) in Dublin I was in my apt at the back and I heard constant screaming from teenage kids at the front.

Now me thinking, they are noisy kids playing whatever they get up to and they always trot about while passing on the main road. I could hear girls screaming and fella's shouting, all about 15 yrs of age. This went on for a few minutes and when I finally went to look out the front window to see what the commotion was, i couldn't believe what I saw and heard. Squad cars lined up at the neighbours gate with the family next door at their gate in tears while a bunch of scum teenagers laughing and joking at them with about a dozen Gardai between the 2 sets.

From what I could make out especially from the teenagers mocking impersonations of a fight, punches were thrown from the teenagers at the father and kid(yeh, he's about 8). Now, whatever happened initially between the 2 groups over maybe words exchanged, there was no justification for a mob like that to pick on a father & mother & child huddled together with the father under severe distress while his wife and kid were balling with tears on the street.

I asked the neighbours afterwards what happened and they wouldn't say, I reckon they just want to move on and deal with it privately so i didn't pursue it. They were still crying over what happened. They are foreign(think Polish) so maybe their English was not great and they were probably still in shock. Very nice people, the last you'd think of who would of been involved in such an incident. It was such a sight to see the mother and child still crying about 30minutes afterwards when i did approach them, i'll never forget it and i''ve seen some nasty crap over the years while growing up in a deprived area.(yeh for the smart aleks i'm not really from D4 :P)

The Gardai(fair dues to them for being quick in response) moved the perpetrators on after a few words and they headed on their way towards Pearse St flats. No arrests though:mad:.

Thing is, do these kids have no moral awareness of what they just did?
I asked myself, was this a racist attack? If the family was Irish and local, would they not have been so persistent in picking on them?

It might seem fun to them having a few punches with a strangers family and bragging about it to each other but the damage they caused to that family is immense. Its not the first time i've seen teenagers up to no good picking on strangers, it makes you think how often this harassment goes on. I've seen security guards in shops locally been picked on by groups of teenagers 'for the fun of it' and co-incidentally all those security guards were foreign.

Vandalism along the busy road has occurred in the past few weeks, like bus shelters and panes of glass on the nearby bridge put in(there goes anyone else's safety as protective barrier on McMahon bridge is made of glass). Rumours from speaking to other neighbours was that it was passing teenagers doing the damage.

Should there be a law thats enforced restricting large groups of teenagers congregating at that hour of night(incident happened just after 9pm) like in the US or something else done to prevent teenagers harassing people?

kraggy

Ireland's gone to ****.

If I were in government, I'd have it that 16 year olds and younger have to be accompanied outside by an adult after 9pm. If not, slap a big fine on the parents.

Once money comes into things, parents aren't long copping on.

I'm really beginning to hate Ireland. The amount of scum in our country is worse than Britain at this stage. I've lived there. It's not as bad as Ireland.

Hank_Jones

Personally I think that if they are caught doing anything untoward, that the Gardai don't feel they can prosecute them for, then they should be forced to clean the streets or something regarding community service.
That way they would meet different people, who weren't complete scumbags like them, and possibly make them think twice about what they are doing when out with their scanger mates.

gurramok

Yeh, i've been to lovely derelict Birmingham and Manchester and its nowhere near as hostile as it is in Dublin.
I was the only neighbour that opened the door to the situation albeit late on a busy road. I've wondered, if I had came across the incident sooner by a few minutes, what would have the scums reaction to me been Irish if they had confronted me as well?

Or perhaps the incident was not racist in that they would have picked on someone if they looked different in any way.

I've a down to earth local accent to compete with the teenagers ones, would they have backed off as i was local(could be naive here ) or would they have just picked on me as well?

Hank_Jones

gurramok wrote: »

I've a down to earth local accent to compete with the teenagers ones, would they have backed off as i was local(could be naive here ) or would they have just picked on me as well?

Let me look into my crystal ball and see...

Hmmmm.....yessss

They would have probably told you to fcuk off if you had intervened as teenage scangers generally don't give a fcuk what any people say to them.
And I'd imagine that it was an inicident relating to prejudice, as a lot of young people aren't properly educated on other nationalities and races, they therefore think of these people as ''different''.

Sofiztikated

Tl;dr

The only thing you candour about feral animals is ensure no food is left lying around, so as to not attract them into your garden, and use a hose to spray them to scare them off.

R0ot

Summary Executions anyone?

Pighead

R0ot wrote: »

Summary Executions anyone?

The Citizen is dead. Chaos ensues.

FlutterinBantam

Them Winter Gardens can be tough enough!!!

Seriously, there is a nest of flats in behind the Fire Station area there, most of the scangers originate from there.

If you dont believe me take a stroll down there any night.

Crann na Beatha

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Nodin

gurramok wrote: »

Feral teenage gangs - what can be done to protect us??

Tucking your trousers into your boots would be a start.

Dartz

2 words;

Battle Royale

El Siglo

Teenagers are pretty bad nowadays, however there's nothing a sack, few cinder blocks and a river couldn't sort out.;)

jonsnow

write a strongly worded letter laying out your concerns to the Daily Mail

Kiera

Its disgusting. Those little feckers wouldn’t dare start that crap with their own or with a group of Polish guys.

The poor father couldnt do anything for fear the little runts would jump his wife and kid. Intimidating little pricks. :mad:

bonerm

I blame the Education system tbh. My parents raised me right and I'm a decent enough person now(imho) but when I entered secondary school (in a new area) there was an element there (who am I kidding - the majority) of scum in the place and they were given the run of the place so long as it didn't interfer with the teachers cushy-lifestyle. I was a good kid but I found myself veering towards this element in order to fit in /survive so I can see how the majority of little tykes who get involved in this type of behavior aren't genuinely bad and are only trying to get by. Doesn't excuse it of course.

I think if the teachers there had been allowed to take these trouble makers (myself included) aside and knock seven shades of **** out them that they wouldn't have been so anti-social (both in and out of the classroom) but of course that wasn't an option.

That was over 10 years ago now so I can only assume that in this nanny-state we live in that the level of behavior has deteriorated further as a result of this kid-gloves approach. Anyway, the jist of this post? Bring back corporal punishment in the classroom.

beng128

kraggy wrote: »

If I were in government, I'd have it that 16 year olds and younger have to be accompanied outside by an adult after 9pm. If not, slap a big fine on the parents.

Once money comes into things, parents aren't long copping on.

It thould really be all 16yr olds that have an IQ under 100 hould not be alowed out after 9, cos there are till a few decant teens out there.

Pighead

bonerm wrote: »

Anyway, the jist of this post? Bring back corporal punishment in the classroom.

Balderdash. That just means the teacher will take the easy option and beat little Johnny black and blue instead of trying to get to the root of his problem and find out what is making little Johnny act like a spanner.

As Yeats (or maybe it was that bird from the Cranberries) once said: When the violence causes silence. We must be mistaken.

Dravokivich

bonerm wrote: »

I blame the Education system tbh. My parents raised me right .

How is the education system to blame if you reckon your parents did a good job raising you?

The problem is that they know nothing is goign to happen to them for their actions... these scumbags can walk around and fuck with everyone they please and nothing is going to change that because there are no repercussions for their actions...

this is where the problem lies...

not with schools...

Their parents most likely don't give a fuck.

- Drav!

Ordinary man

Hit them in the pocket. I believe any law breakers should lose all entitlements to dole etc for life. If they want to act the bollix why should society eer give them anything. Same with the adults.

Whippersnapper

They don't get enough love and attention at home, they come from homes where there are a lot of issues and they don't know how to handle it. They take out all their anger and frustrations on strangers. It's not solely down to education. If your parents treat you well and instil moral values in you then an unruly element in school will make no difference.

Intothesea

Few months on a building site in the deep mid-winter might help :pac: The unapproachability of welfare system reform; fearful (from lowered sense of social cohesion) and passive (thanks to perceptibly ineffective policing) attitudes towards troublemakers and lack of faith in the law are primarily making this possible, I think. The antidote is social organisation, responsive policing and obvious and apparent just laws and punishments. I'm not sure if your native accent would beget a more positive response, but by the sounds of it it's only a matter of time before it doesn't. Sad stuff.

Dravokivich

Whippersnapper wrote: »

They don't get enough love and attention at home, they come from homes where there are a lot of issues and they don't know how to handle it. They take out all their anger and frustrations on strangers. It's not solely down to education. If your parents treat you well and instil moral values in you then an unruly element in school will make no difference.

All the scum I've known... and trust me I've worked in a few shiteholes, never had problems at homes with their folks...

Agreed, thats where the problem is though, if the parents dont show a sense of responsiblity and pass it onto their kids, the kids aren't going to get that from no-where.

The kids are scumbags because the parents are scumbags...

- Drav!

dolliemix

bonerm wrote: »

I blame the Education system tbh. My parents raised me right and I'm a decent enough person now(imho) but when I entered secondary school (in a new area) there was an element there (who am I kidding - the majority) of scum in the place and they were given the run of the place so long as it didn't interfer with the teachers cushy-lifestyle. I was a good kid but I found myself veering towards this element in order to fit in /survive so I can see how the majority of little tykes who get involved in this type of behavior aren't genuinely bad and are only trying to get by. Doesn't excuse it of course.

I think if the teachers there had been allowed to take these trouble makers (myself included) aside and knock seven shades of **** out them that they wouldn't have been so anti-social (both in and out of the classroom) but of course that wasn't an option.

That was over 10 years ago now so I can only assume that in this nanny-state we live in that the level of behavior has deteriorated further as a result of this kid-gloves approach. Anyway, the jist of this post? Bring back corporal punishment in the classroom.

So your parents raised you well.

Then you choose to act like a delinquent and go with the crowd of delinquents

You're acting like you're a victim here. Take responsibility for your actions and choices and then your bitterness might subside.

Claiming that teachers should hit children is wrong. Claiming that teachers have a cushy lifestyle because they don't hit children is crazy

BraziliaNZ

yup, was outside Sin É on New Year's Eve having a cigarette (one of my last ones ever hopefully) and some 14 year olds from inner city (I presume) started throwing snowballs at clientele and bouncers outside. Some guy told them to eff off and then they come over and start throwing punches at the guy, calling the black bouncers "n*ggers" etc.
They are absolutely fearless little b*stards that hate society.
In fairness they come from awful families, no one really gives a crap about them, so they're angry little feckers. What can we do? I wish I knew.

stovelid

Don't rent/buy in shit areas then, you cheapskates.

OutlawPete

I think things have always been f**ked.

In the 80's when I was a teen there were lots of scumbags doing similar ****. Council estates where you couldn't walk through.

I went to discos (not nightclubs now) but just straight Discos were guys were bottled in the face.

I used to drink in the Iveagh Rooms from the age of 15 and there was killings outside the place every night of the week. Oi Skins battling rockers, skas.

If anything, I feel safer in Dublin more now that I ever have.

dolliemix

bonerm wrote: »

I blame the Education system tbh. My parents raised me right and I'm a decent enough person now(imho) but when I entered secondary school (in a new area) there was an element there (who am I kidding - the majority) of scum in the place and they were given the run of the place so long as it didn't interfer with the teachers cushy-lifestyle. I was a good kid but I found myself veering towards this element in order to fit in /survive so I can see how the majority of little tykes who get involved in this type of behavior aren't genuinely bad and are only trying to get by. Doesn't excuse it of course.

I think if the teachers there had been allowed to take these trouble makers (myself included) aside and knock seven shades of **** out them that they wouldn't have been so anti-social (both in and out of the classroom) but of course that wasn't an option.

That was over 10 years ago now so I can only assume that in this nanny-state we live in that the level of behavior has deteriorated further as a result of this kid-gloves approach. Anyway, the jist of this post? Bring back corporal punishment in the classroom.

The majority of kids don't behave this way but some choose to and some come from difficult backgrounds, are genuinely angry and frustrated but don't don't know how to express it. You come from the first group.

So your parents raised you well.

Then you choose to act like a delinquent and go with the crowd of delinquents who have genuine problems at home

You're acting like you're a victim here. Take responsibility for your actions and choices and then your bitterness might subside.

Claiming that teachers should hit children is wrong. Claiming that teachers have a cushy lifestyle because they don't hit children is crazy

extra-ordinary_

Sorry OP, am I missing something here?

You didn't witness what happened and you don't exactly know what happened, but you're deciding to just go on a rant about the local teenagers?

meditraitor

Dravokivich wrote: »

The kids are scumbags because the parents are scumbags...

- Drav!

If the parents are scumbags then almost invariably the offspring will be little scumbags,
But there are other reasons for scumbag kids, bad parents are not always scumbags just bad parents with problems that keep them from giving the kids the upbringing they need. Respect and honesty for a start.

Most of the little scumbags I know are from broken homes, children of people with mental/drink/drug problems and of course scumbag parents....

The answer to this is ................................................

gurramok

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

Sorry OP, am I missing something here?

You didn't witness what happened and you don't exactly know what happened, but you're deciding to just go on a rant about the local teenagers?

Put two and two together. When I first looked out the window, they were shouting abuse at the family in full view of the Gardai and bragging amongst themselves how they threw their punches Mike Tyson style.

I don't know what caused the incident, but i sure know what happened at the end of it, the teenagers were 100% involved. Read the 2nd & 3rd paragraph.

And they ain't local.

extra-ordinary_

gurramok wrote: »

...From what I could make out... Rumours from speaking to other neighbours...

gurramok wrote: »

And they ain't local.

You also say that the group of teenagers moved off towards Pearse st flats - I'd say that was pretty local.

s10

( not me)

Just got assault-robbed on my bike in ballymun.
Hey Guys, i just got my bike stolen in Ballymun center, it was parked outside travellodge at the parking space nearest coultry apps.

Its a Black kawazaki ninja 250, make 2009, fully faired (at least when they stole it) with slight damage to the right hand side indicator area (some tape around the indicator seams) it was alarmed and locked when stolen.
vehicle reg no: 08D70633

My story: I was outside tesco when they stole it, but since i have a two way alarm and it warns me as soon as anyone touches it, i chased back to where i parked it and noticed it was gone. I hit the "locate" button on the remote and noticed a beep in direction of coultry apps. So i stupidly went there myself to look, there was like 5 guys standing outside the stairs entrance to the elevator shaft (first opening from travellodge) and i ran there asking where the **** is my bike they lied and pointed in the wrong direction of course, but i used the remote to locate it inside the house, ran in there and saw about 20 or so knackers about 16-18 years old, perhaps a few of them a bit older even. They where all out back from the back entrance watching me, stepping back from the bike. They had taken it around the back, i just screamed at them "where is the helmet" etc but they wouldn´t give it back, it was locked to the rear end from the beginning but was now gone. When i was getting on the bike and was about to turn the ignition they all rushed me and started punching me in the face and chest, totally pummeling me until i almost passed out, however i managed to struggle my way back to the doorway and eventually back across the street though (since i entered at the front of the elevator shaft house, i went back the same way. and get across the road, some girl was walking there and i just screamed call the Garda, a dozen or so bystanders stopped to see me, they called the Garda for me, i was not a beauty to look at at this point.

When the Garda arrived and went in to find the bike it was gone, they must have moved it in the 10-15 minutes before they got there, however they where great and really confident they will find the bike, however i have my doubts.


This bike i need to get to work i have no other vehicle and it will not be fun come monday... since i wont be able to get there.. also my face look really pummeled... Well thats my story... and its true, happened today at around 18:00

I have all the owner documentation, receipt, etc, it was bought from bikeworld and there are only about 50 of these in the country tops since bikeworld didnt get more and its the new model, didnt exist before 2008. Also only about 20 or so of these 50 are black..

if you know anything please contact the ballymun gardai as they are investigating it, thanks.

There is no non violent solution, therrefore no solution, therefore stay indoors.

um7y1h83ge06nx

It's quite sad alright.

I walked up the street of my estate yesterday evening and there was about 6 teenagers hanging around on the corner. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and walked down to my GFs. Later the two of us walked back up to my place at around 20:10 and the group had grown to about 10-12. When we walked past at the other side of the street they started pelting us with snowballs, throwing abuse and laughing at us.

What pissed me off is not so much the snowballs but the fact that they were out to get a reaction, to get some-one to approach them, and with 10-12 of them that wasn't going to happen. It's very easy to be brave and be "the big man" when you have almost a dozen others standing with you.

RobbieTheRobber

What we need is a good war, then we could pack them all off to some foreign spot lose maybe 70% and the 30% who do come back will have manners.


Although then again a war is sort of a form of a government organised racist campaign so maybe not, and them poilish took der jobs.

hooradiation

oh please, this whole "ZOMG TEENAGERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL" bullshit is as old as time itself.

for example

Hesiod, in the Eighth Century B.C. wrote:

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and
impatient of restraint.

You're just getting old and crotchety OP, your rocking chair and sanctioned list of "things what were better when i were a lad" have been sent to you and will arrive shortly.

RobbieTheRobber

hooradiation wrote: »

oh please, this whole "ZOMG TEENAGERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL" bullshit is as old as time itself.

for example



You're just getting old and crotchety OP, your rocking chair and sanctioned list of "things what were better when i were a lad" have been sent to you and will arrive shortly.

That was the piece i was looking for but couldn't find it.

Didn't happen in my day mind.

raptorman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilante

PCPhoto

Billy Worried Adhesive wrote: »

It's quite sad alright.

I walked up the street of my estate yesterday evening and there was about 6 teenagers hanging around on the corner. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and walked down to my GFs. Later the two of us walked back up to my place at around 20:10 and the group had grown to about 10-12. When we walked past at the other side of the street they started pelting us with snowballs, throwing abuse and laughing at us.

What pissed me off is not so much the snowballs but the fact that they were out to get a reaction, to get some-one to approach them, and with 10-12 of them that wasn't going to happen. It's very easy to be brave and be "the big man" when you have almost a dozen others standing with you.

so a bunch of kids threw snowballs !!!!

didnt the government pass some "gang" legislation last year ? saying its now illegal to be part of a gang ....maybe its time to enforce that ..... for gangs of people hanging around the place "harrassing" people.

Seriously though....

scum shouldnt be allowed to reproduce (multiple convictions and yer sterilised)

...slightly over the top but hey !!! thats what AH is for.

biko

The Chinese have one thing right - licence for children.
Have more than 2 and you get a bullet.
They don't behave - bullet.
Speak without raising their hand - bullet.

RoadKillTs

The Chinese have one thing right - licence for children.
Have more than 2 and you get a bullet.
They don't behave - bullet.
Speak without raising their hand - bullet.

Hooray for Chinese child policies! Have to say I agree with them.

ejmaztec

They should invite some Brazilian recruits to Templemore.

http://pangaea.org/street_children/latin/braz7.htm

Third Ex-policeman Confesses to Murder of Street Kids BRASILIA, Brazil (CNN) -- A third former police officer confessed Saturday to shooting to death a group of Brazilian street children as they slept. Marco Aurelio Alcantara, who goes on trial next month, was identified by one child who survived the shooting and later identified him.
Marcos Vinicius Emmanuel, the first former policeman to go on trial for the 1993 shooting deaths of eight children, confessed, and was given a 309-year sentence for his crimes. Even though by Brazilian law, Emmanuel will only serve 30 years, the conviction is seen as a major step forward for human rights, since no Brazilian policeman had ever been convicted for murdering street children before.
Human rights groups believe about 1,000 homeless children are shot each year, many by squads hired by shopkeepers. Off-duty policemen are believed to sometimes participate in the squads

bonerm

RoadKillTs wrote: »

Hooray for Chinese child policies! Have to say I agree with them.

It's backfiring on them now because they have a marked gender imbalance in their young population.

gurramok

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

You also say that the group of teenagers moved off towards Pearse st flats - I'd say that was pretty local.

Can you not read? You obviously haven't a clue about the area.

The 'Rumours' were about other incidents listed, not this one. All the perpetrators of vandalism were supposed to have headed back towards Pearse st on their journey whilst passing. Local kids don't go home to Pearse st, they go to Barrow st, Sth Lotts, Ringsend village etc and this vandal bunch are not known..hence not local. Of course if they were local, the locals would know who they were but they don't hence they are not local.

I'll quickly explain the geography. Pearse St is a very long street that leads from Pearse St Garda station in the city centre to another long street called Ringsend Road which leads to Ringsend itself. A couple of miles walk right there.

You a member of the pedantic police? They ain't local, they ain't from Ringsend, they are from Pearse st towards the city centre.

FFS.

Dravokivich

bonerm wrote: »

It's backfiring on them now because they have a marked gender imbalance in their young population.

ow yeah and risk of a famine would of been a doosy...

- Drav!

bonerm

Dravokivich wrote: »

ow yeah and risk of a famine would of been a doosy...

Yep. Now there's only a risk of excessive sausage at the nightclub.

Sean Quagmire

Magnus wrote: »

The Chinese have one thing right - licence for children.
Have more than 2 and you get a bullet.
They don't behave - bullet.
Speak without raising their hand - bullet.

Looking at my sandles - you better believe thats a paddlin' bullet

biko

We need Harry Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOSfHFNlcI

to clean up in Dublin

j1974

gurramok wrote: »

Yeh, i've been to lovely derelict Birmingham and Manchester and its nowhere near as hostile as it is in Dublin.
I was the only neighbour that opened the door to the situation albeit late on a busy road. I've wondered, if I had came across the incident sooner by a few minutes, what would have the scums reaction to me been Irish if they had confronted me as well?

Or perhaps the incident was not racist in that they would have picked on someone if they looked different in any way.

I've a down to earth local accent to compete with the teenagers ones, would they have backed off as i was local(could be naive here ) or would they have just picked on me as well?

yes you are being naive and abit silly. fact is, they then know where you live, you could be replacing your front windows regularly in this case, or putting out your car. ive seen this happen al too frequently in finglas with scumbags. the major problem is that these are second generation scumbags, the father (if he can be found) and mother, are also scumbags and therefor have little empathy for others. they're just glad to have their dole and loan parents etc. it all come down to breeding in my book. I dont know what the row was about, but if you think that cos you've a flat dublin accent, they might fear you, you're sadly mistaken. Once you start woth these guys, you have to be prepared to go all the way, go outside and clatter the head off the biggest one or two of them and follow through on any subsequent threats you issue, they only understnad, force, violence and fear. If you have none of these in yards, then best just offer a kind ear and any other support to your neighbour, once the smoke clears.

christina_x

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

Sorry OP, am I missing something here?

You didn't witness what happened and you don't exactly know what happened, but you're deciding to just go on a rant about the local teenagers?

Ahh now, the guards wern't standin in between the taunting gang and the family because they didnt want the kids to see the mans wife and kid cry.. they clearly did something.

RonMexico

Take a look elsewhere and see how other countries deal with the problem instead of sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it will go away as usual.