New Planet X TT Bike: The EXOCET

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Lumen wrote: »

Obviously Chinese/Taiwanese people can't use computers.

Nah ... its just because China has banned google search results ... 99.9999% of all research can be found through google.

Home:Ballyhoura

blorg wrote: »

Or indeed the bike that Cadel Evans used to win Stage 13 of the Tour in 2007

I have seen that picture many times at this stage and even have a folder of pictures of Cadel riding this bike in the TdF incase I'm ever selling it and someone is complaining! However, I just came across the following photo for the first time and it seems to me that there is a different weave pattern than the usual Planet X, a finer carbon fiber if you know what a mean seen best probably at the junction of the down-tube and top-tube around the headtube. What do you think? Am I just seeing things or does it indeed look different to you too?

Click to enlarge:


On a different note, I had my Stealth out for another proper spin today...first time in a while...and I really love it! On mine you cannot see the regular weave as it is white but here is a quick snap anyway...I am jet to get a proper picture for the images of beauty thread! It's also nice to see that I just spotted Cadel used the exact same bars as I have too...now I just need those legs! :rolleyes:

Quigs Snr

I don't think there is a weave on that ridley/planet X. Its just sprayed black isn't it ? (Looking at it on a very small screen though)

Home:Ballyhoura

I think there is alright...I just blew up the photo in photoshop and adjusted the levels so hopefully it is a bit easier to see on your screen! The picture blorg linked to definitely looks to be just sprayed black alright but that was a different stage as you can see the difference in tyre colours!

Quigs Snr

Ah I see. No it will be the same frame, just a different cosmetic final weave layer. Several manufacturers use this frame and use different weave patterns for the finish layer. Same frame though.

Home:Ballyhoura

Looks like they are getting closer to the finished product!

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

I think its pretty safe to say that this will no be more aero than the new Spesh, Trek or Cervelo. Its better than the Stealth but there are a few things obviously lacking on this frame. internal cable routing behind the headset for one. Thats a biggie. I think the Trek with the faux 8:1 tubes is the frame to beat these days.

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:)

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

I think its pretty safe to say that this will no be more aero than the new Spesh, Trek or Cervelo. Its better than the Stealth but there are a few things obviously lacking on this frame. internal cable routing behind the headset for one. Thats a biggie. I think the Trek with the faux 8:1 tubes is the frame to beat these days.

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:) according to designers "Good design beats fashion fads any day" cannot get a better philosophy than that when you are striving for excellence. i think this bike will make alot of super substantiated bike company faithfulls very unhappy, because it will be hard to contend with, when it comes to value performance, frame set retails for $1049 us frame, fork, seatpost and headset. very hard to beat for a bike of this quality and at this level. as i said before it sits up there with the big boys easily

http://issuu.com/planetx/docs/testing_times_december

check page 9.

cheers:)

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:)

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

Ok it does have internal cable routing, all internal routing has to have and entry point, they ALL have cable hang (i would guarantee and bet all my money) at some point but the vast majority of the cable in inside the frame(meaning of internal) check out pictures of other bikes the FELT DA, Cervelo P4. Not to be rude but do you even know what internal cable routing is The stealth did not have it but this surely does.

http://2009.feltracing.com/08/images/catalog/large/8702.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/i/helmbrugge1gr8.jpg/
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/img/product/11/93/13/11931399.jpg

this bike certainly has it.:cool:


the object of the design of the bike is not to be super flashy and fancy, they all look average, including the good aerodynamically superior ones FELT DA, i like treks too, but Trek really has nothing on this bike apart from a brandname no offence, and i think they will not be worth the 1000-3000 dollars more they cost by no stretch of the reasonable imagination. there is nothing spectacular looking about the trek or any of the really good bikes.could all be possible Tiawan Generic bikes but they are not. they all just looks aim just to look sleek and good. being swoopy and curvy and not very aero doesn't mean anything in racing. all these bikes look the way they do because of the windtunnel and extensive testing, were not made by some fashion designer.
Trek, Felt DA(fastest UCI legal bike),Cervelo have some really generic looking lines, that you could find pieces of on several bikes, any or them could pass for Taiwan bikes without stickers, but they are by no means any.

I think you are looking for a reason to not like the bike but you cannot really find a sensible, reasonable one, don't worry you will not be the last.;)

This bike is not the full production bike btw.

mloc123

This:



is internal cable routing...

blorg

That is not the Speed Concept he is on about, this is it. It's not available to the public yet but I imagine when it is it will be around the same €10,000 range as the Specialized TT bike. Spot the cables.



Whether it will make much difference to amateur competition is a whole other question.

Lumen

From the current Trek catalogue (Equinox TTX):

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

They all have dangling cables somewhere so what is your point.

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/23/f_DSCN4071m_eb1ab9b.jpg

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/time-trial-or-triathlon/1245851082719-1ghuof7tn77mh-500-90-500-70.jpg
Big dangling one off to the left side

http://www.arueda.com/images/stories/2009/eurobike/cervelo/cervelo_0009_a.JPG

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/cervelo-p1-2009/sm/p200.jpg

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/tech/shows/interbike08/interbike085/Cervelo_P4_Ventus_cables.jpg

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/cache/d/DM-headtube.jpg_e_7698e66aa86d4e45963f88a918adde2d.jpg

Now the Planet X stealth is external

Do your homework.

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

Ok it does have internal cable routing, all internal routing has to have and entry point, they ALL have cable hang (i would guarantee and bet all my money) at some point but the vast majority of the cable in inside the frame(meaning of internal) check out pictures of other bikes the FELT DA, Cervelo P4. Not to be rude but do you even know what internal cable routing is The stealth did not have it but this surely does.

http://2009.feltracing.com/08/images/catalog/large/8702.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/i/helmbrugge1gr8.jpg/
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/img/product/11/93/13/11931399.jpg

this bike certainly has it.:cool:


the object of the design of the bike is not to be super flashy and fancy, they all look average, including the good aerodynamically superior ones FELT DA, i like treks too, but Trek really has nothing on this bike apart from a brandname no offence, and i think they will not be worth the 1000-3000 dollars more they cost by no stretch of the reasonable imagination. there is nothing spectacular looking about the trek or any of the really good bikes.could all be possible Tiawan Generic bikes but they are not. they all just looks aim just to look sleek and good. being swoopy and curvy and not very aero doesn't mean anything in racing. all these bikes look the way they do because of the windtunnel and extensive testing, were not made by some fashion designer.
Trek, Felt DA(fastest UCI legal bike),Cervelo have some really generic looking lines, that you could find pieces of on several bikes, any or them could pass for Taiwan bikes without stickers, but they are by no means any.

I think you are looking for a reason to not like the bike but you cannot really find a sensible, reasonable one, don't worry you will not be the last.;)

This bike is not the full production bike btw.

P4 - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.cervelo.com/en_us/bikes/2010/P4/gallery/

Trek - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-trek-speed-concept-time-trial-bike-22271

Scott - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/scott-plasma3-side-hi.jpg

I can continue. The PX has a single behind the headset cable routing, the rear break i suspect. The other two are standard old style, obsolete for TT frames, routings. This is a fudge, probably introduced once your target market went "Hey this was cool - in 2001"

Obviously the person (company??) that doesn't understand cable routing for TT bikes is you.

Yes I have disliked all the PX bikes I've ridden - but I've always had a valid reason.

DirkVoodoo

I don't think Planet-X's mission statement has ever been to worry the world's largest frame manufacturers (that should probably be designers as a lot of them seem to outsource the actual manufacture to the far east) through innovation. We all know now that they buy off the shelf frame designs.

The point is, they pick pretty good frames and package them with good wheels and groupsets at a price that makes a full carbon bike or TT rig affordable to most people.

How many seconds will an amateur time trialist lose because of those exposed cables? Should they not work on refining their position first rather than spend 1000s of euro on a much more expensive bike from the pro peloton because it has totally internal routing or a cutting edge frame?

A Trek Equinox TTX 9.0 (SRAM Rival, Bontrager SSR wheels) can be bought in Wheelworx for 3,300 euro.

Planet X Stealth Pro Carbon (SRAM Red, Planet X Pro Carbon 82/101) costs about 2,300 euro.

If I was looking to TT on a budget, I know which one I would go for.

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

They all have dangling cables somewhere so what is your point.

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/23/f_DSCN4071m_eb1ab9b.jpg

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/time-trial-or-triathlon/1245851082719-1ghuof7tn77mh-500-90-500-70.jpg
Big dangling one off to the left side

http://www.arueda.com/images/stories/2009/eurobike/cervelo/cervelo_0009_a.JPG

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/cervelo-p1-2009/sm/p200.jpg

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/tech/shows/interbike08/interbike085/Cervelo_P4_Ventus_cables.jpg

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/cache/d/DM-headtube.jpg_e_7698e66aa86d4e45963f88a918adde2d.jpg

Now the Planet X stealth is external

Do your homework.

Those that have behind the head tube routing have a single cable sticking out - the front brake. This new PX has three - looks like both gear cables and the front brake. My homework is done - was your design?

(Edit one of those links is to a road bike, the S2. Notice that they have more cables behind the head tube that your TT bike.)

tunney

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I don't think Planet-X's mission statement has ever been to worry the world's largest frame manufacturers (that should probably be designers as a lot of them seem to outsource the actual manufacture to the far east) through innovation. We all know now that they buy off the shelf frame designs.

The point is, they pick pretty good frames and package them with good wheels and groupsets at a price that makes a full carbon bike or TT rig affordable to most people.

How many seconds will an amateur time trialist lose because of those exposed cables? Should they not work on refining their position first rather than spend 1000s of euro on a much more expensive bike from the pro peloton because it has totally internal routing or a cutting edge frame?

A Trek Equinox TTX 9.0 (SRAM Rival, Bontrager SSR wheels) can be bought in Wheelworx for 3,300 euro.

Planet X Stealth Pro Carbon (SRAM Red, Planet X Pro Carbon 82/101) costs about 2,300 euro.

If I was looking to TT on a budget, I know which one I would go for.

Some valid points indeed. However this thread was long dead until the PX employee resurrected it and started claiming the PX was up there with the design features of more expensive frames.

blorg

I think what tunney is getting at here is that the PX is equivalent to a dated design like the Cervélo P2.

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

P4 - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.cervelo.com/en_us/bikes/2010/P4/gallery/

Trek - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-trek-speed-concept-time-trial-bike-22271

Scott - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/scott-plasma3-side-hi.jpg

I can continue. The PX has a single behind the headset cable routing, the rear break i suspect. The other two are standard old style, obsolete for TT frames, routings. This is a fudge, probably introduced once your target market went "Hey this was cool - in 2001"

Obviously the person (company??) that doesn't understand cable routing for TT bikes is you.

Yes I have disliked all the PX bikes I've ridden - but I've always had a valid reason.

You obviously do not know what internal cable routing means or even the word internal.
Wow a picture of a concept trek that will prolly cost 6x more and is just a concept? you linked me a pic of scott in a shot where the cables are mostly hidden and off to the other side in the picture(showed you a pic of that same bike with the cables hanging), and a pic of a cervolo which i already showed you does indeed have long doggy cables, and it even shows in the frontal shot of the bike in the link you showed me.:D

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg
looke here

i showed you all of these bikes that you quoted all wired up and with doggy hangings lol. btw some handlebars can be bought with internal cable routing if you want, so your gear cables hanging arguement is moot.
i can see big long ugly cable shooting out of that cervelo from the frontal shot and the scott bike has hangings as i showed you in an actually real life pic of a set up scott , dont get me wrong i like the mentioned bikes but seriously.
You speak of the rear brake cables, all bikes with rear brakes in that position have some cable showing there too.
and to shoot you down on that, this bike has been tested against an unamed bike with that same lower hidden aero brake design and it has achieved better aerodynamic figures that the unnamed bike they tested it against, maybe its your precious trek. it sucks that an OBSOLETE design outdid your modern design inst it? they avoided doing unnecessary crap as to not justify, retarded overpricing.
This PX is lighter stiffer and stronger than the old PX stealth TT so what now?
This bike is in a totally different category from the old Planet-X


The extremely overpriced prices paid for your big brands cannot be justified fullstop. i know plp who buy Expensive Pinarello Dogma road bikes and are sorely dissapointed when other guys build cheaper lighter better bikes in the real world than it. all they have to go on is that "i have a pinarello" which does not account for anything really except for the muddying of the brand name.
I am sure this bike will ride and be as good if not better than alot of your precious big brands, and weather you like it or not the Planet-X stealth was a marvellous bike and received many bike of the year awards and always got high reviews, from riders and professional reviewers.

http://issuu.com/planetx/docs/testing_times_december

did you even look at or read page 9 of this article or are you too afraid to.

Stop looking at your precious emblems and names and just ride the bike.
I am sure when this comes out and you get the chance to ride one your will either be pissed that it feels and rides as good or better than your overpriced bike or be happy and say wow this is nicer than i expected:cool: i will give credit where it is due and not just to a brand name.

Try harder you are not very convincing, in your views.

cormacjones

Are you employed by PX? Your posts really beginning to grate and this is coming from a happy owner of an PX SL.

mloc123

cormacjones wrote: »

Are you employed by PX? Your posts really beginning to grate and this is coming from a happy owner of an PX SL.

agreed

TinyExplosions

tunney wrote: »

Some valid points indeed. However this thread was long dead until the PX employee resurrected it and started claiming the PX was up there with the design features of more expensive frames.

cormacjones wrote: »

Are you employed by PX? Your posts really beginning to grate and this is coming from a happy owner of an PX SL.

I'm not so sure he is... the guys from PX are quite open on other forums, and answer a lot of questions, so I'd be surprised if they'd be happy to see an employee spouting off like this. They've been very open on other fora about where the frames come from, and the process that goes into it (moreso than a lot of other companies)

I think it's just some guy with a bee in his bonnet...

dreadzedan

blorg wrote: »

I think what tunney is getting at here is that the PX is equivalent to a dated design like the Cervélo P2.

It has far more curvy lines than a P2 if you want to go there and looks far newer and it is carbon. wait until you see the black paint scheme.
to say it has a design equivalent to the P2 is ignorant because it looks like much like the P2 as a Kouta Kueen K Looks like a P4
They omitted what they saw as unnecessary design cues like the hidden rear break etc, as they derived that it made no real difference in the wind tunnel.
they tested it against a top of the line 2010 model from another unnamed manufacturer and it achieved better aero performance.

Bike designs in general are not that drastically different due to UCI, they all do look like bikes, after all.

It has a way better price, the New P4 and Trek designs look absoultey No better in terms of physical design, it also outperformed the so called newer bike designs in the wind tunnel for aerodynamics.

Has a clean good looking and subtely sexy design that still has modern curves, not over the top non aero uglyness like alot of new bikes these days.

dreadzedan

Not an employee, but i just don't like people talking about what they don't know about and trying to shoot down and honest quality bike company and their products as inferior and decent with silly comments about what they just assume and don't really know about, and brand name loyalist who seek to destroy everything that is not their preferred brand of bike.

If you dont like a bike keep it to yourself, dont go around on forums spouting it out.

I am sure that their are many happy PX owners out there and this bike will be great, and be right up there.

Cheers:)

cormacjones

Fair enough, but I think a thread on any bike would be of limited value if you only had people who liked the bike giving their opinion.

dreadzedan

cormacjones wrote: »

Are you employed by PX? Your posts really beginning to grate and this is coming from a happy owner of an PX SL.

Sorry to grate you, i did not meant to. just hate haters who hate unjustifiably.:mad:

dreadzedan

cormacjones wrote: »

Fair enough, but I think a thread on any bike would be of limited value if you only had people who liked the bike giving their opinion.

fair enough.

DirkVoodoo

cormacjones wrote: »

Fair enough, but I think a thread on any bike would be of limited value if you only had people who liked the bike giving their opinion.

This is true. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you can't ask people not to bad mouth a bike on the internet, that's ridiculous. If someone doesn't like it, then they don't like it and they are allowed to say that. As long as someone can back up their opinion then I don't take too much issue with them trying to convince others though, i.e. anyone can say "I don't like Planet-X bikes", it's slightly different to say "No, don't buy that Planet-X, they suck balls!" but in fairness to Tunney he does say why he doesn't like them.

This whole thing is starting to remind me of those "Which should I buy: Playstation or Xbox?" which inevitably ended up with what could only be 14 year olds arguing (or very stupid adults) along the lines of "PS3 roolz, no M$ charging for internets, lolz, wtf?" "Dude, XBOX is da best, PS3 sux balls" and other not too compelling arguments.

I own a Planet X, I think it's a good bike and I bought the frame because I was looking at the cheapest frame/fork deal I could find and it was either this or an audax style aluminium frame. I like it and if I ever needed to buy a TT bike (ha, when pigs fly!) I wouldn't be looking to spend crazy money and so would either go second hand or with an exocet.

dreadzedan

cormacjones wrote: »

Fair enough, but I think a thread on any bike would be of limited value if you only had people who liked the bike giving their opinion.

It must be admitted and will be that this bike will perform very well for its pricing, so what if it may feel as good as a more expensive frame it happens all the time even in the automotive industry.people worked hard on this frame at the Sheffield University, the guys valiantly tried and something decent came out at a good price-point, its nothing people should be intimidated or offended by. and have to make silly non-sensible comments. constructive criticism is only good if it is constructive. agreed?
PX bikes rarely disappoint
Good job PX.