New Planet X TT Bike: The EXOCET

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See page 8 & 9 of the Testing Times (Bumper Christmas Issue) on the Planet X website for more details. Claims that it is even more aerodynamic than the current fastest TT rig (which is it, Cervelo P4, Specialized Shiv, Giant Trinity or that new Trek with concealed brakes) is impressive stuff, can't wait until it is released to the public and to see how much it will cost (hopefully I won't be sickened after just buying a Planet X Stealth, but we'll have to wait and see).

What do ye think of it? Anyone else heard of it yet or got any other info on it?

Some discussion here, here and here if you are interested!

MCOS

Been chatting with a few of the lads over at PX over the last couple of weeks and I'm reliably informed it will be more expensive than the stealth.

If you recently bought a Stealth I'm sure you are already sickened by the 20% off this week offer!

tunney

I think its pretty safe to say that this will no be more aero than the new Spesh, Trek or Cervelo. Its better than the Stealth but there are a few things obviously lacking on this frame. internal cable routing behind the headset for one. Thats a biggie. I think the Trek with the faux 8:1 tubes is the frame to beat these days.

Lumen

MCOS wrote: »

If you recently bought a Stealth I'm sure you are already sickened by the 20% off this week offer!

They're not really any cheaper though.

Besides which, the £999 bike I got in November is not currently available; the cheapest version is currently £2120 with discount.

MCOS

Lumen wrote: »

They're not really any cheaper though.

Besides which, the £999 bike I got in November is not currently available; the cheapest version is currently £2120 with discount.

Disagree. I've been tracking the PX website and chatting with them almost daily for the last month. Yes the base stealth build went from 1999 to 2499 but they included nicer kit, the bontrager bars, shimano wheels etc... Still a 500 jump. but 20% off 2.5k is 500 so you are essentially getting that nicer kit free. All depends how you look at it but 3 weeks ago I was looking at dropping 3k on PX and have since dropped 2.5 and have better kit too. Bargain!

Original budget was 3.5 with a P2C in mind, looks like me and the OH are taking a sunny spring break. I'll live with the cables not being hidden behind the headset for that

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MCOS wrote: »

If you recently bought a Stealth I'm sure you are already sickened by the 20% off this week offer!

Well not really, as I only bought the frame so only lost out by €50 or so (reduction made smaller by slightly less favourable exchange rate too), and still managed to build it all up for €1050 (already had wheels). I'm really delighted with building such a nice TT rig for just fifty quid over my relatively small budget. Will post pics when I get my nice wheels back from being repaired so it looks well in its photo. First impressions are important!

(They have also slightly put up the prices of their complete bike builds to make the sale not so cheap afterall. Still minor savings to be had here and there but not as drastic as the 20% off headline would lead you to believe!

Lumen wrote: »

They're not really any cheaper though.

Besides which, the £999 bike I got in November is not currently available; the cheapest version is currently £2120 with discount.

Ya, that deal has completely disappeared and it was a very good bargain altogether. Now the Stealth's aren't really that cheap anymore unless you buy the frame only and build it up with cheap new/2nd hand parts or else if you want a really high spec TT bike. On those threads I linked to on other forums have input from Planet X staff members who mention it being above the Stealth alright in performance and price, and off the top off their heads around 30% more expensive.

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MCOS wrote: »

Bargain!

Original budget was 3.5 with a P2C in mind, looks like me and the OH are taking a sunny spring break. I'll live with the cables not being hidden behind the headset for that

Does that mean we have another Stealth on the way to the boards.ie Cycling forum? Man they are getting popular these days aren't they!

mloc123

I see they haven't copied the Treks integrated brakes either...

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2009/07/03/1246634248407-33t04vmxult5-798-75.jpg

blorg

Are there any better/similar TT frames around the £400-500 mark- or complete TT bikes around the £1,000-1,500 mark? I am generally around 58cm if that helps with offers. Either M or L on the Stealth. Have Zipp 404s which will do for the moment.

My budget for this is not in Cervelo P4, Specialized Shiv, that new Trek territory

Lumen

blorg wrote: »

Are there any better/similar TT frames around the £400-500 mark- or complete TT bikes around the £1,000-1,500 mark? I am generally around 58cm if that helps with offers. Either M or L on the Stealth. Have Zipp 404s which will do for the moment.

My budget for this is not in Cervelo P4, Specialized Shiv, that new Trek territory

Ribble (probably still requires IE).

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blorg

Thanks, I was looking at the Ribble, some reckon it is a rebadged PX... But the paintjob really puts me off!

djpm

blorg wrote: »

Are there any better/similar TT frames around the £400-500 mark- or complete TT bikes around the £1,000-1,500 mark? I am generally around 58cm if that helps with offers. Either M or L on the Stealth. Have Zipp 404s which will do for the moment.

My budget for this is not in Cervelo P4, Specialized Shiv, that new Trek territory

Cervelo S1 (formerly soloist team) road bike can be set up as a TT/tri bike by flipping top of seat post around and clipping on aerobars. I have one but have never set it up for TT. It's aluminium but rated better than many carbon bikes. As a road bike it won Paris Nice in 04 and 05, among other races for CSC team.

blorg

djpm wrote: »

Cervelo S1 (formerly soloist team) road bike can be set up as a TT/tri bike by flipping top of seat post around and clipping on aerobars. I have one but have never set it up for TT. It's aluminium but rated better than many carbon bikes. As a road bike it won Paris Nice in 04 and 05, among other races for CSC team.

Saw that one but seems oriented towards people who only want one bike which is rather the opposite of my situation. I have road bikes coming out of my ears here... have aerobars but would like gears at the end of them so would be a lot involved. Reckon a dedicated TT bike is the way to go. PX are going to have a budget build in the next few weeks at around the 999-1199 mark apparently so imagine I would go for that. If I was going Cervelo reckon I would want a P2C, maybe get the 2008 frame and build it up thus deceiving myself as to the actual expense involved. I have stuff like wheels, TT saddle, aero bars, brakes, already...

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Slightly off topic I know but I only just came across these 3T hybrid ZEFIRO bars for the first time yesterday. Mad lookin yokes but they could make an interesting build for someone looking to combine a road and TT bike like djpm mentioned with the Cervelo (I know this is not what you want blorg). I'm sure they are more aimed at the Tri crowd but I was interested in the for all my "long solo breakaways" but they aren't allowed for mass start UCI events! Good enough for hilly Pro Tour TT's though! See below:

blorg

I think that sort of thing can make sense when the course is hilly or very technical. Emma Pooley used this very peculiar setup with normal STI levers to win silver in her Olympic time trial. Hanka Kupfernagel had a similar idea.

mloc123

The 3T looks to be designed for draft legal tris where the bars must be bridged and under a certain length.

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Here is a resized version of your initial picture - more user friendly...that was massive!!! Anyway, I thought this 162cm Columbians TT setup was strange until I saw that photo, I would love to see a side on shot. Thanks!

blorg

Haha, cheers, it was one of those where it didn't look so big in the article. I changed it to another pic.

Bambaata

MCOS wrote: »

Been chatting with a few of the lads over at PX over the last couple of weeks and I'm reliably informed it will be more expensive than the stealth.

If you recently bought a Stealth I'm sure you are already sickened by the 20% off this week offer!

I dont think ill be catching you on the bike this coming year with this kinda talk

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Anyone ever seen a side on shot of Emma Pooleys's Olympic TT bike blorg linked to? I recently saw Cadels setup for the first time, crazy stuff! Is it something similar to his do you think? He runs such a low front end with that TT position, his hands are not that far away from the tyre! He has also been on -17° stems on his road bike for quite a long time...madness!

P.S. That WeightWeenies thread is very interesting indeed, lively and fast moving! (Go on..say it. I'm a traitor, I know!!! )


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niceonetom

Pooley's bike look fairly similar to the way a lot of old pursuit bikes looked before aero bars came in:




Evan's setup looks more normal though it is very low - Cadel has very long arms and a short torso and in one of the few rider you see who TTs with his knees between his elbows rather than behind them. Works for him though it is anything but stylish...

JacksonHeightsOwn

Evans has that funny position because he has extremly long arms, i remember the commentator saying this during the Vuelta, he has arms like an orangatang supposedly

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Quick side on shot of the Evans' extreme TT bike position as seen above!

kcuu77

Hey guys, I found a website of China's carbon bicycle manufacturer produce a similar frame as PX Exocet!

http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail.asp?id=500386&nowmenuid=500006&previd=500027

mloc123

kcuu77 wrote: »

Hey guys, I found a website of China's carbon bicycle manufacturer produce a similar frame as PX Exocet!

http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail.asp?id=500386&nowmenuid=500006&previd=500027

Further poof that the ebay carbon frames and PX aren't very far removed..

blorg

mloc123 wrote: »

Further poof that the ebay carbon frames and PX aren't very far removed..

Or indeed the bike that Cadel Evans used to win Stage 13 of the Tour in 2007 :rolleyes:

Chips Lovell

blorg wrote: »

Or indeed the bike that Cadel Evans used to win Stage 13 of the Tour in 2007 :rolleyes:

If he'd been riding a Colnago, he would have won by more;)

petethedrummer

kcuu77 wrote: »

Hey guys, I found a website of China's carbon bicycle manufacturer produce a similar frame as PX Exocet!

http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail.asp?id=500386&nowmenuid=500006&previd=500027

If there's one thing I require from a TT frame its good agglunation. And it looks like they're adhering to the old Chinese carbon fibre proverb:

- stairway agglutination,make agglutination surface larger

blorg

el tonto wrote: »

If he'd been riding a Colnago, he would have won by more;)

Could have won the entire Tour!

kcuu77

Is it consider NEW TT Frame? Or just import some chinese carbon frame and mark on PX sticker? China's made? How good they are?

Lumen

kcuu77 wrote: »

Is it consider NEW TT Frame? Or just import some chinese carbon frame and mark on PX sticker? China's made? How good they are?

Almost all carbon frames are maufactured in China and Taiwan. The process is very labour intensive.

The spendier manufacturers just tend to do more of the design work, or at least that's what they claim. Obviously Chinese/Taiwanese people can't use computers.

short circuit

Lumen wrote: »

Obviously Chinese/Taiwanese people can't use computers.

Nah ... its just because China has banned google search results ... 99.9999% of all research can be found through google.

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blorg wrote: »

Or indeed the bike that Cadel Evans used to win Stage 13 of the Tour in 2007

I have seen that picture many times at this stage and even have a folder of pictures of Cadel riding this bike in the TdF incase I'm ever selling it and someone is complaining! However, I just came across the following photo for the first time and it seems to me that there is a different weave pattern than the usual Planet X, a finer carbon fiber if you know what a mean seen best probably at the junction of the down-tube and top-tube around the headtube. What do you think? Am I just seeing things or does it indeed look different to you too?

Click to enlarge:


On a different note, I had my Stealth out for another proper spin today...first time in a while...and I really love it! On mine you cannot see the regular weave as it is white but here is a quick snap anyway...I am jet to get a proper picture for the images of beauty thread! It's also nice to see that I just spotted Cadel used the exact same bars as I have too...now I just need those legs! :rolleyes:

Quigs Snr

I don't think there is a weave on that ridley/planet X. Its just sprayed black isn't it ? (Looking at it on a very small screen though)

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I think there is alright...I just blew up the photo in photoshop and adjusted the levels so hopefully it is a bit easier to see on your screen! The picture blorg linked to definitely looks to be just sprayed black alright but that was a different stage as you can see the difference in tyre colours!

Quigs Snr

Ah I see. No it will be the same frame, just a different cosmetic final weave layer. Several manufacturers use this frame and use different weave patterns for the finish layer. Same frame though.

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Looks like they are getting closer to the finished product!

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

I think its pretty safe to say that this will no be more aero than the new Spesh, Trek or Cervelo. Its better than the Stealth but there are a few things obviously lacking on this frame. internal cable routing behind the headset for one. Thats a biggie. I think the Trek with the faux 8:1 tubes is the frame to beat these days.

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:)

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

I think its pretty safe to say that this will no be more aero than the new Spesh, Trek or Cervelo. Its better than the Stealth but there are a few things obviously lacking on this frame. internal cable routing behind the headset for one. Thats a biggie. I think the Trek with the faux 8:1 tubes is the frame to beat these days.

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:) according to designers "Good design beats fashion fads any day" cannot get a better philosophy than that when you are striving for excellence. i think this bike will make alot of super substantiated bike company faithfulls very unhappy, because it will be hard to contend with, when it comes to value performance, frame set retails for $1049 us frame, fork, seatpost and headset. very hard to beat for a bike of this quality and at this level. as i said before it sits up there with the big boys easily

http://issuu.com/planetx/docs/testing_times_december

check page 9.

cheers:)

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

Umm not to be rude or anything but it kinda does have internal cable routing, i saw that as an minor issue on the stealth but this fixes it, and i think it is subtly beautifully sexy, (cant go wrong sexiness) and i am sure will be right there with the big boys or better if they not careful.:)

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

Ok it does have internal cable routing, all internal routing has to have and entry point, they ALL have cable hang (i would guarantee and bet all my money) at some point but the vast majority of the cable in inside the frame(meaning of internal) check out pictures of other bikes the FELT DA, Cervelo P4. Not to be rude but do you even know what internal cable routing is The stealth did not have it but this surely does.

http://2009.feltracing.com/08/images/catalog/large/8702.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/i/helmbrugge1gr8.jpg/
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/img/product/11/93/13/11931399.jpg

this bike certainly has it.:cool:


the object of the design of the bike is not to be super flashy and fancy, they all look average, including the good aerodynamically superior ones FELT DA, i like treks too, but Trek really has nothing on this bike apart from a brandname no offence, and i think they will not be worth the 1000-3000 dollars more they cost by no stretch of the reasonable imagination. there is nothing spectacular looking about the trek or any of the really good bikes.could all be possible Tiawan Generic bikes but they are not. they all just looks aim just to look sleek and good. being swoopy and curvy and not very aero doesn't mean anything in racing. all these bikes look the way they do because of the windtunnel and extensive testing, were not made by some fashion designer.
Trek, Felt DA(fastest UCI legal bike),Cervelo have some really generic looking lines, that you could find pieces of on several bikes, any or them could pass for Taiwan bikes without stickers, but they are by no means any.

I think you are looking for a reason to not like the bike but you cannot really find a sensible, reasonable one, don't worry you will not be the last.;)

This bike is not the full production bike btw.

mloc123

This:



is internal cable routing...

blorg

That is not the Speed Concept he is on about, this is it. It's not available to the public yet but I imagine when it is it will be around the same €10,000 range as the Specialized TT bike. Spot the cables.



Whether it will make much difference to amateur competition is a whole other question.

Lumen

From the current Trek catalogue (Equinox TTX):

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

Emmm two posts only and point singing the praises of a PX, emmmmm.

I don't think any of the major TT frame manufacturers are going to be too worrried to be honest. Its looks to be a very average TT frame, nothing special. I still stand by my opinion that the Treak Speed concept is where it is at. Actual innovation rather than imitation.

Also its very appropriate that you saying "it kinda does have internal cable routing" - yes it kinda of does, but not really. Look at the photo two posts up and look at the big bloody cable dangling off to the right of the head tube - looks on the outside right?

They all have dangling cables somewhere so what is your point.

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/23/f_DSCN4071m_eb1ab9b.jpg

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/time-trial-or-triathlon/1245851082719-1ghuof7tn77mh-500-90-500-70.jpg
Big dangling one off to the left side

http://www.arueda.com/images/stories/2009/eurobike/cervelo/cervelo_0009_a.JPG

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/cervelo-p1-2009/sm/p200.jpg

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/tech/shows/interbike08/interbike085/Cervelo_P4_Ventus_cables.jpg

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/cache/d/DM-headtube.jpg_e_7698e66aa86d4e45963f88a918adde2d.jpg

Now the Planet X stealth is external

Do your homework.

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

Ok it does have internal cable routing, all internal routing has to have and entry point, they ALL have cable hang (i would guarantee and bet all my money) at some point but the vast majority of the cable in inside the frame(meaning of internal) check out pictures of other bikes the FELT DA, Cervelo P4. Not to be rude but do you even know what internal cable routing is The stealth did not have it but this surely does.

http://2009.feltracing.com/08/images/catalog/large/8702.jpg
http://img385.imageshack.us/i/helmbrugge1gr8.jpg/
http://www.asia.ru/images/target/img/product/11/93/13/11931399.jpg

this bike certainly has it.:cool:


the object of the design of the bike is not to be super flashy and fancy, they all look average, including the good aerodynamically superior ones FELT DA, i like treks too, but Trek really has nothing on this bike apart from a brandname no offence, and i think they will not be worth the 1000-3000 dollars more they cost by no stretch of the reasonable imagination. there is nothing spectacular looking about the trek or any of the really good bikes.could all be possible Tiawan Generic bikes but they are not. they all just looks aim just to look sleek and good. being swoopy and curvy and not very aero doesn't mean anything in racing. all these bikes look the way they do because of the windtunnel and extensive testing, were not made by some fashion designer.
Trek, Felt DA(fastest UCI legal bike),Cervelo have some really generic looking lines, that you could find pieces of on several bikes, any or them could pass for Taiwan bikes without stickers, but they are by no means any.

I think you are looking for a reason to not like the bike but you cannot really find a sensible, reasonable one, don't worry you will not be the last.;)

This bike is not the full production bike btw.

P4 - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.cervelo.com/en_us/bikes/2010/P4/gallery/

Trek - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-trek-speed-concept-time-trial-bike-22271

Scott - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/scott-plasma3-side-hi.jpg

I can continue. The PX has a single behind the headset cable routing, the rear break i suspect. The other two are standard old style, obsolete for TT frames, routings. This is a fudge, probably introduced once your target market went "Hey this was cool - in 2001"

Obviously the person (company??) that doesn't understand cable routing for TT bikes is you.

Yes I have disliked all the PX bikes I've ridden - but I've always had a valid reason.

DirkVoodoo

I don't think Planet-X's mission statement has ever been to worry the world's largest frame manufacturers (that should probably be designers as a lot of them seem to outsource the actual manufacture to the far east) through innovation. We all know now that they buy off the shelf frame designs.

The point is, they pick pretty good frames and package them with good wheels and groupsets at a price that makes a full carbon bike or TT rig affordable to most people.

How many seconds will an amateur time trialist lose because of those exposed cables? Should they not work on refining their position first rather than spend 1000s of euro on a much more expensive bike from the pro peloton because it has totally internal routing or a cutting edge frame?

A Trek Equinox TTX 9.0 (SRAM Rival, Bontrager SSR wheels) can be bought in Wheelworx for 3,300 euro.

Planet X Stealth Pro Carbon (SRAM Red, Planet X Pro Carbon 82/101) costs about 2,300 euro.

If I was looking to TT on a budget, I know which one I would go for.

tunney

dreadzedan wrote: »

They all have dangling cables somewhere so what is your point.

http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/23/f_DSCN4071m_eb1ab9b.jpg

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/bikes/time-trial-or-triathlon/1245851082719-1ghuof7tn77mh-500-90-500-70.jpg
Big dangling one off to the left side

http://www.arueda.com/images/stories/2009/eurobike/cervelo/cervelo_0009_a.JPG

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/cervelo-p1-2009/sm/p200.jpg

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2008/tech/shows/interbike08/interbike085/Cervelo_P4_Ventus_cables.jpg

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/cache/d/DM-headtube.jpg_e_7698e66aa86d4e45963f88a918adde2d.jpg

Now the Planet X stealth is external

Do your homework.

Those that have behind the head tube routing have a single cable sticking out - the front brake. This new PX has three - looks like both gear cables and the front brake. My homework is done - was your design?

(Edit one of those links is to a road bike, the S2. Notice that they have more cables behind the head tube that your TT bike.)

tunney

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I don't think Planet-X's mission statement has ever been to worry the world's largest frame manufacturers (that should probably be designers as a lot of them seem to outsource the actual manufacture to the far east) through innovation. We all know now that they buy off the shelf frame designs.

The point is, they pick pretty good frames and package them with good wheels and groupsets at a price that makes a full carbon bike or TT rig affordable to most people.

How many seconds will an amateur time trialist lose because of those exposed cables? Should they not work on refining their position first rather than spend 1000s of euro on a much more expensive bike from the pro peloton because it has totally internal routing or a cutting edge frame?

A Trek Equinox TTX 9.0 (SRAM Rival, Bontrager SSR wheels) can be bought in Wheelworx for 3,300 euro.

Planet X Stealth Pro Carbon (SRAM Red, Planet X Pro Carbon 82/101) costs about 2,300 euro.

If I was looking to TT on a budget, I know which one I would go for.

Some valid points indeed. However this thread was long dead until the PX employee resurrected it and started claiming the PX was up there with the design features of more expensive frames.

blorg

I think what tunney is getting at here is that the PX is equivalent to a dated design like the Cervélo P2.

dreadzedan

tunney wrote: »

P4 - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.cervelo.com/en_us/bikes/2010/P4/gallery/

Trek - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-trek-speed-concept-time-trial-bike-22271

Scott - look no dodgy cable hanging out for the gears
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/images/scott-plasma3-side-hi.jpg

I can continue. The PX has a single behind the headset cable routing, the rear break i suspect. The other two are standard old style, obsolete for TT frames, routings. This is a fudge, probably introduced once your target market went "Hey this was cool - in 2001"

Obviously the person (company??) that doesn't understand cable routing for TT bikes is you.

Yes I have disliked all the PX bikes I've ridden - but I've always had a valid reason.

You obviously do not know what internal cable routing means or even the word internal.
Wow a picture of a concept trek that will prolly cost 6x more and is just a concept? you linked me a pic of scott in a shot where the cables are mostly hidden and off to the other side in the picture(showed you a pic of that same bike with the cables hanging), and a pic of a cervolo which i already showed you does indeed have long doggy cables, and it even shows in the frontal shot of the bike in the link you showed me.:D

http://www.scott-sports.com/service/files/images/news/upload/image/%20bike08/plasma2_2.jpg
looke here

i showed you all of these bikes that you quoted all wired up and with doggy hangings lol. btw some handlebars can be bought with internal cable routing if you want, so your gear cables hanging arguement is moot.
i can see big long ugly cable shooting out of that cervelo from the frontal shot and the scott bike has hangings as i showed you in an actually real life pic of a set up scott , dont get me wrong i like the mentioned bikes but seriously.
You speak of the rear brake cables, all bikes with rear brakes in that position have some cable showing there too.
and to shoot you down on that, this bike has been tested against an unamed bike with that same lower hidden aero brake design and it has achieved better aerodynamic figures that the unnamed bike they tested it against, maybe its your precious trek. it sucks that an OBSOLETE design outdid your modern design inst it? they avoided doing unnecessary crap as to not justify, retarded overpricing.
This PX is lighter stiffer and stronger than the old PX stealth TT so what now?
This bike is in a totally different category from the old Planet-X


The extremely overpriced prices paid for your big brands cannot be justified fullstop. i know plp who buy Expensive Pinarello Dogma road bikes and are sorely dissapointed when other guys build cheaper lighter better bikes in the real world than it. all they have to go on is that "i have a pinarello" which does not account for anything really except for the muddying of the brand name.
I am sure this bike will ride and be as good if not better than alot of your precious big brands, and weather you like it or not the Planet-X stealth was a marvellous bike and received many bike of the year awards and always got high reviews, from riders and professional reviewers.

http://issuu.com/planetx/docs/testing_times_december

did you even look at or read page 9 of this article or are you too afraid to.

Stop looking at your precious emblems and names and just ride the bike.
I am sure when this comes out and you get the chance to ride one your will either be pissed that it feels and rides as good or better than your overpriced bike or be happy and say wow this is nicer than i expected:cool: i will give credit where it is due and not just to a brand name.

Try harder you are not very convincing, in your views.