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El Director wrote: »

My coach has totally converted me on this. I was wondering, I can only manage 50m kick in 1:15, which is a big improvement on 2 mins which was where i was at at christmas. But i just cannot get it below 1:15, would you have any advice/drills t help? Coach said he is going to build 10x50 kick into all my session for the next few weeks, hopefully this will help.

Thanks and you're swimming times and distances are something to be very envious of! Keep it up! How's the running and cycling going?

50m kick in 1.15 is a very good kick time for 50 - Ill assume you're using a board on your front. Without seeing your kick the only advice Id offer is that you need to kick faster whilst keeping the kick nice and shallow from the hip and keep your feet and ankles as loose as you can ... as you'll already know its gonna hurt like hell but you've already made a massive leap from doing 50's on 2 min to 1.15 in the space of 10 weeks or so. I would imagine you've seen a similar improvement in your 100/200/400 f/s times as well based on the fact your body position is considerably better due to an improvement in kick.

Of course, theres absolutely nothing to stop you doing 2 or 3 powerful dolphin kicks off the turn to help you ... ahem .. make the time ... - it takes a bit of experience but on hard kick sets with a board I do tumble turns ... I knows its bending the rules but hey ... pardon the pun .. but you gotta get your kicks from somewhere

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09/03/10

1500 easy f/s warm up
800 f/s stroke work
100 easy

2400

two occurances of the word 'easy', along with 'stroke work' will hopefully indicate how bloody tired I was this morning (again). Long weekend cycling taking its toll in addition to all the usual life related limiters of sleep. Still, its still sunny out there All tiredness in shoulders now gone, will do alot of stretching and foam rolling this evening before tues pm swim.

dare2be

Interested

Is it against public pool rules to wear Fins whilst swimming in open pool sessions? Got told off for wearing them & was asked to remove them if i wanted to continue swimming during a swim last week. Just for future reference.

Thanks

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dare2be wrote: »

Interested

Is it against public pool rules to wear Fins whilst swimming in open pool sessions? Got told off for wearing them & was asked to remove them if i wanted to continue swimming during a swim last week. Just for future reference.

Thanks

Every pool will have a set of rules - that they should display to paying customers. Ive swam in alot of pools and Ive never heard the like of this.

If its a public pool in the Dublin area then it's more than likely a Dublin City Council pool and you might consider checking their website or attempting to talk to someone directly about this supposed rule.

Who asked you to remove them ? lifeguard or pool mgt - did they offer a reason why it was necessary for you to remove them ? By 'Got told off for wearing them' it sounds very harsh. IMHO by pass the lifeguards and talk to pool mgmt about publishing ALL of their rules or explaining why they have deemed finns illegal so to speak.

Playing devils advocate here ... but were you swimming in a laned off section with the fins at the time ? or under the water alot ? reason I ask is that you might have been swimming alot faster than others in the pool or in their opinion without caution for other swimmings and the lifeguard deemed it dangerous. Bear in mind that some lifeguards can be influenced to stop you from using fins if a collection of other pool users have a problem with it ... for any reason ... public pools are full of alot of different people and very few are actually training imho.

dare2be

interested wrote: »

Every pool will have a set of rules - that they should display to paying customers. Ive swam in alot of pools and Ive never heard the like of this.

If its a public pool in the Dublin area then it's more than likely a Dublin City Council pool and you might consider checking their website or attempting to talk to someone directly about this supposed rule.

Who asked you to remove them ? lifeguard or pool mgt - did they offer a reason why it was necessary for you to remove them ? By 'Got told off for wearing them' it sounds very harsh. IMHO by pass the lifeguards and talk to pool mgmt about publishing ALL of their rules or explaining why they have deemed finns illegal so to speak.

Playing devils advocate here ... but were you swimming in a laned off section with the fins at the time ? or under the water alot ? reason I ask is that you might have been swimming alot faster than others in the pool or in their opinion without caution for other swimmings and the lifeguard deemed it dangerous. Bear in mind that some lifeguards can be influenced to stop you from using fins if a collection of other pool users have a problem with it ... for any reason ... public pools are full of alot of different people and very few are actually training imho.

First thing i looked for when this occured was the rules of the pool. None to be seen, well not by me anyway. I didn't ask the reason for the removal of them but the lifeguard did say that they just weren't allowed. I did get some funny looks by other users of the pool when i had them on but as you say most of the swimmers in this pool are not training and are only in for a hours casual exercise. It is a public pool and i some respect i think they should have a laned section for people like me who want to 'train'.

I'm going tonight and i think i will speak to somebody regarding this. The same night another user was wearing paddles and nothing said to him. A case of one rule for one and different for another??

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dare2be wrote: »

First thing i looked for when this occured was the rules of the pool. None to be seen, well not by me anyway. I didn't ask the reason for the removal of them but the lifeguard did say that they just weren't allowed. I did get some funny looks by other users of the pool when i had them on but as you say most of the swimmers in this pool are not training and are only in for a hours casual exercise. It is a public pool and i some respect i think they should have a laned section for people like me who want to 'train'.

I'm going tonight and i think i will speak to somebody regarding this. The same night another user was wearing paddles and nothing said to him. A case of one rule for one and different for another??

Yeah. From what you've just said ...
a) reason with someone other than the lifeguard that one (and better still 2) lane where lane rules apply (up one side down the other) would allow people the option of actually training in the pool whilst still allowing other pool users to safely chat/swim/etc
b) someone in the pool at the time said something to the lifeguard whilst you were swimming with the fins and hence you were told to take them off. when that person went away - the person with the paddles on (which are ALOT more dangerous imho and experience in unlaned pools) was given a free run.


Its cool if you'd prefer not to say but ill ask anyhow but which pool did this occur ?
Typically there are periods of the day where lane swimming is provided in most pools - could be worth asking about and then casually mentioning that you need to use your fins for stroke work and casually as do they see any problems with that (in a nice and polite way obviously).

I'd a guy ask me did I think I owned the pool when he was being lapped in a lane when doing breastroke and I was doing freestyle. He was a little shocked when I told him no but Id be happy to race him for it if he owned it

dare2be

interested wrote: »

Yeah. From what you've just said ...
a) reason with someone other than the lifeguard that one (and better still 2) lane where lane rules apply (up one side down the other) would allow people the option of actually training in the pool whilst still allowing other pool users to safely chat/swim/etc
b) someone in the pool at the time said something to the lifeguard whilst you were swimming with the fins and hence you were told to take them off. when that person went away - the person with the paddles on (which are ALOT more dangerous imho and experience in unlaned pools) was given a free run.


Its cool if you'd prefer not to say but ill ask anyhow but which pool did this occur ?
Typically there are periods of the day where lane swimming is provided in most pools - could be worth asking about and then casually mentioning that you need to use your fins for stroke work and casually as do they see any problems with that (in a nice and polite way obviously).

I'd a guy ask me did I think I owned the pool when he was being lapped in a lane when doing breastroke and I was doing freestyle. He was a little shocked when I told him no but Id be happy to race him for it if he owned it

Happened in a pool in NI. Banbridge leisure centre. I have yet to enjoy a training session in there yet as its extremely busy up until 9.30pm. I try and leave it as close to that time as i can for my sessions to get some real benefit for my money. Aqua aerobics, kids swimming lessons etc etc are one of many activities going on until 9pm. I even went one morning at 11am to find that the local school kids had have the pool roped off for swimming lessons and i had to swim widths of the pool instead of lengths.

Anyways, enough ranting. Thanks for the advice and keep up the good work. Enjoy reading your log.

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dare2be wrote: »

Happened in a pool in NI. Banbridge leisure centre. I have yet to enjoy a training session in there yet as its extremely busy up until 9.30pm. I try and leave it as close to that time as i can for my sessions to get some real benefit for my money. Aqua aerobics, kids swimming lessons etc etc are one of many activities going on until 9pm. I even went one morning at 11am to find that the local school kids had have the pool roped off for swimming lessons and i had to swim widths of the pool instead of lengths.

Sounds like a very very busy pool. Good luck with the training

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09/03/10 PM

600 f/s warm up
10 * 100 f/s on 1.30
5 * 150 f/s on 2.20
5 * 200 f/s on 3
8 * 100 f/s on 1.30
50 swim down

4200

Still very tired. Controlled things through first set of 10 1's. Same for 150's and then started focusing more during the 200's (around 2.45/2.50's). Pushed the middle 100's during last set of 8 ... average around 1.16's or so.
Need to get more sleep and get myself back running in the evenings.

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10/03/10

400 f/s warm up
10 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 3
100 easy swim down

2500

Good solid set of 200's - nothing remarkable - worked the middle 6 and controlled the rest.

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11/03/10

400 fs warm up
2 * 400 f/s on 6
4 * 200 f/s on 3
6 * 100 f/s on 1.30
100 easy swim down

2700

Its all about pace at this stage. Definitely a bit slower than Id like this morning but can be hard to motivate yourself some of the time when solo swimming with the clock. Pushed the last couple of 100's.

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12/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
10 * 100 f/s pull with paddles on 1.30
400 desc pace on 100's
200 swim down

2600

evening swim - pool so hot the swim was like training in soup. Pool mgmt companies wonder why their power bills are sky high after they increase temperature of pool by a couple of degrees to satisfy people who dont swim/train in the pool and complain of the cold.
Ho hum.

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14/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
6 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 3
6 * 100 f/s on 1.30
200 easy
4 * 50 stroke on 60

3200

Nice quiet pool - controlled 200's and worked through 100's - steady around 1.20.

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15/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
6 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 3
200 easy

2400

Woke up thinking it was Saturday. I really hate that. Nothing to imaginative with the set of 200's. Eased into them - all of them were below 2.40.

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16/03/10

800 f/s warm up
2 * 400 f/s pull with paddles on 6
4 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 2.45
200 easy swim down

2600

Good strong set of pull - 5.30's for the 400's so shortened the rest on the 200's (~2.36's).

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16/03/10 PM

400 f/s warm up
8 * 150 f/s on 2.20
8 * 100 f/s on 1.30
4 * 200 f/s on 2.45
8 * 150 f/s on 2.20

4400

Long session - controlled both sets of 150's - used as a prelude to the 100's and 200's. 100's were done holding around 1.20/1.22 pace and 200's were 2.35, 2.38, 2.38, 2.40.

Macanri

Great swimming as usual Interested. I see you're about to go gold for St Patrick's Day never mind green! Fair play to you.

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Macanri wrote: »

Great swimming as usual Interested. I see you're about to go gold for St Patrick's Day never mind green! Fair play to you.

Thanks Chief. Its unlikely Ill get to the pool today - but tomorrows another day

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18/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
12 * 100 f/s pull with paddles on 1.30
200 easy swim down

2400

Eased into this since alot of aches and pains this morning. Shoulders feel fine so all good. Strong set of 100's - first of each 4 was sub 1.20.

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23/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
12 * 100 f/s pull with paddles on 1.30
200 easy swim down

2400

Out of the water for a bit and the usual 'this doesnt feel right' experience this morning. Eased into warm up and progressively improved pace through 100's pull.

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23/03/10 PM

500 f/s warm up
3 * 400 f/s on 5.30
3 * 350 f/s on 5
3 * 300 f/s on 4.30
3 * 250 f/s on 3.30

4400

Long long session - tired as hell. The odd distances didnt really suit but good distances to get back into things.

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24/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
5 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 2.50
200 easy swim down

2200

pushed the 200's pull a little but still tired. case of getting through the distance this week.

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25/03/10

800 f/s warm up
3 * 400 f/s pull with paddles on 5.45
4 * 100 IM on 2

2400

Felt better this morning - solid 400's and the IM's were around 1.25

El Director

Thats great swimming interested, and so consistent. Im in a lull at the moment, can't seem to get out of bed in the morn for swimming (at 5:30), i think it is because i am not going to bed early enough but i am off to bed now to see if that helps!

I think by the way that you are right about putting emphasis on the swimming, i think it is important to be relatively close to the leading pack of swimmers coming out of the water, i am usually half way down. I have been working hard this winter on it but the last two weeks have been a no go for one reason or another.

I think i will mimic some of your sessions when i am in the pool on my own, by the way do you use paddles?

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El Director wrote: »

Thats great swimming interested, and so consistent. Im in a lull at the moment, can't seem to get out of bed in the morn for swimming (at 5:30), i think it is because i am not going to bed early enough but i am off to bed now to see if that helps!

If you're getting up at 5.30 then its a case of forcing yourself to bed early. In a former life I used to get up at 4.45 but Id be in bed the night before religiously at 9.30. Its impossible for most people but when you can sleep and if you cant sleep nap .. and if you cant nap then pretend to be listening to the better half

I think by the way that you are right about putting emphasis on the swimming, i think it is important to be relatively close to the leading pack of swimmers coming out of the water, i am usually half way down. I have been working hard this winter on it but the last two weeks have been a no go for one reason or another.

Im pretty sure you mentioned you were in the younger age group so - for what its worth I think at some point you may try a draft legal race. This is where getting as close to the lead swimmers as possible makes sense since you dont have to work too hard initially on the bike to jump across to the lead group.
I guess Oly distance draft illegal races it makes sense as well since its possible to pace your initial 10k of the bike on the leaders etc - but obviously staying the required distance behind the wheel in front of you.

My emphasis on swimming is more to do with a mix of a) my background and b) the little time / energy Ive had recently in the evenings to train in any shape or form.

Im probably way off where I should be on the bike and run training but then again, its a long season

I think i will mimic some of your sessions when i am in the pool on my own, by the way do you use paddles?

Yeah - I tend to use them when Ive a small amount of time in the pool (most mornings Ive just 40 mins in the water). I stretch my shoulders before I get in, I use a long warm up and I only really use the paddles for sets of 200's or more or long solid sets of 100's. Sprinting when wearing paddles will put along of unnecessary stress on your shoulders. If you have access to a coach - ask his/her opinion on whether you'd benefit from paddles - since they'll know your stroke ... paddles can cause inflamation and other shoulder problems so just bear that in mind.

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26/03/10

1000 f/s warm up
6 * 200 f/s pull with paddles on 2.45
200 easy

2400

Good set of 2's. Averaging 2.40 for them. Need to more of these to improve fitness over the course of the next 8 weeks or so.

shotgunmcos

I see your RTs have come down lately.. great stuff interested..progress

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shotgunmcos wrote: »

I see your RTs have come down lately.. great stuff interested..progress

Not so much progress - moving closer to some sprint distances so reducing the times appropriately and into a different training cycle. Not all the training info goes into the log Each cycle has a key target set. Each target set is related to a target swim distance and time. Although the sets all looks similar and monotonous they generally are constructed with target sets in mind at the end of a cycle.

That said, some coaches just like to dish it out ... Ill never quite understand what 10k straight was designed to do other the f*ck with your head.

shotgunmcos

Oh to have that kind of swim reserve to be as scientific about it..!

Thats ok, the little detail you do put in is baffling enough as is

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shotgunmcos wrote: »

Oh to have that kind of swim reserve to be as scientific about it..!

Thats ok, the little detail you do put in is baffling enough as is

I get the impression I could be thought a thing or two about running by folks 'round these parts ... eh Shotgun '4 hour baloon pace man' MCos

Oh to have that kind of swim run reserve to be as scientific about it..!

Enjoy the weekend lads. Ive a nice 2k open water swim sunday to look forward to - there'll be nothing scientific about that one - get in, swim as hard as I can, get out and into pre-heated car.