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The Pav, lower prices afer budget?

  • 16-12-2009 2:39am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    Was in the Pav tonight, looks like the prices have stayed the exact same after the budget cuts in alcohol. Doesn't seem right to me, as the Pav shouldn't be as business orientated as the other pubs in Dublin. Anyone agree?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭FluffyCat


    I heard that some pubs and bars and stuff are selling there existing stock at the original pre-budget prices and the reduction will come with new stock. Otherwise they would make a loss.
    You should ask the bar manager


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭devinejay


    All I know is the pub where I work had the prices lowered the next day, regardless of existing stock. Tbh I wouldn't expect the pav to lower the prices as they're already low enough, but they could get in trouble if they don't. They better keep the 4 for 8 deal going, it's handier than a load of change!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭BlueCam


    FluffyCat wrote: »
    I heard that some pubs and bars and stuff are selling there existing stock at the original pre-budget prices and the reduction will come with new stock. Otherwise they would make a loss.
    You should ask the bar manager

    But that's BS - excise duty is an indirect sales tax paid by the consumer - it's not like VAT which is added at all levels of production. It isn't "paid" until the good is consumed, therefore it doesn't matter when the stock was actually bought.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    BlueCam wrote: »
    But that's BS - excise duty is an indirect sales tax paid by the consumer - it's not like VAT which is added at all levels of production. It isn't "paid" until the good is consumed, therefore it doesn't matter when the stock was actually bought.
    I was about to post that.

    Same applies to petrol and diesel etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    They should bring it down to like 4 for €7.50 or something like that. Fair enough to leave it as is in a regular pub, where it's going to be expensive no matter what, but the Pav is supposed to be as cheap as possible for the students.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Juxta Dublin


    They should bring it down to like 4 for €7.50 or something like that. Fair enough to leave it as is in a regular pub, where it's going to be expensive no matter what, but the Pav is supposed to be as cheap as possible for the students.

    Ah come on, 4 for 8 is an outrageously good deal, I wouldn't expect them to bring it any lower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    Ah come on, 4 for 8 is an outrageously good deal, I wouldn't expect them to bring it any lower.

    Well the whole point of the reduction of alcohol in the budget was for it to pass on to consumers, not for businesses to make more money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭gearoidof


    intentions vs reality. hmmmm.

    4 for 8 is fine, maybe they'll bring the price per can down to 2:20.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    gearoidof wrote: »
    intentions vs reality. hmmmm.

    4 for 8 is fine, maybe they'll bring the price per can down to 2:20.

    The price of Bavaria/Amstel is generally going down in offos, so there's no reason it shouldn't in the Pav tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭Jev/N


    I don't think the price decrease was aimed for cans, to quote it was "pints"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    Jev/N wrote: »
    I don't think the price decrease was aimed for cans, to quote it was "pints"

    It was aimed at reducing cross border shopping - i.e. it reduced the wholesale prices of beer + spirits so offos and supermarkets could lower their prices, people weren't going over the border to get a pint in a pub. But it also means that as bars will be getting cheaper rates, they should pass it on to the customer.
    I expect the drinks industry to play its part in making the cost of alcohol more competitive. If I find this reduction has not been passed on to the consumer I will reverse today’s reduction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    For all you know the Pav was buying their stock in the UK and sneaking it down south.

    I'm aware duty is still due but I just want to muddy the issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    I've only been in the Pav like 3 times..what is the 4 for 8 offer? 4 cans of Bavaria?

    Meh...I'd prefer if they reduced the prices of decent pints in there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    pints are already cheaper then any of the surrounding bars. Good luck getting a decent one btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    Whatever they do, I hope they bring back the Bav, or even better, Tuborg. That Amstel doesn't settle well in the stomach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Boston wrote: »
    pints are already cheaper then any of the surrounding bars. Good luck getting a decent one btw.

    Pintish bottle of Erdinger. Sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    You are a classier bloke then i ever imagined.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Whatever they do, I hope they bring back the Bav, or even better, Tuborg. That Amstel doesn't settle well in the stomach.

    Me too. Do they just change the beer periodically or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭The Walsho


    Whatever they do, I hope they bring back the Bav, or even better, Tuborg. That Amstel doesn't settle well in the stomach.

    Yeah, Amstell is pretty rank. I would actually be so happy if they started doing Tuborg. Beer of Danish kings.

    Can't imagine they'll change the price of cans anyway. Didn't hear Lenihan mention anything about a 'bav in the pav'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    Unpleasant shock when I had to fork out €11 for four cans of Druids on Thursday night... just as I'm getting used to getting six of the same for less than a tenner in Centra/Tesco.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    A Neurotic wrote: »
    Unpleasant shock when I had to fork out €11 for four cans of Druids on Thursday night... just as I'm getting used to getting six of the same for less than a tenner in Centra/Tesco.

    It's Trinity's way of stopping your knacker drinking of **** cider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    The Walsho wrote: »
    Yeah, Amstell is pretty rank. I would actually be so happy if they started doing Tuborg. Beer of Danish kings.

    If they started doing Karpackie I'd be the SU's bitch for a month. Love the stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭The Walsho


    If they started doing Karpackie I'd be the SU's bitch for a month. Love the stuff.

    Four for a fiver :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭devinejay


    They had Pratzsky (sp?) there a while back, an old favorite of mine. Twas delish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Kwekubo


    If they started doing Karpackie I'd be the SU's bitch for a month. Love the stuff.
    Pav is run by DUCAC, not SU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    Kwekubo wrote: »
    Pav is run by DUCAC, not SU.

    I very vaguely implied that I meant if the SU campaigned to get Karpackie sold. Something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭big_show


    Boston wrote: »
    pints are already cheaper then any of the surrounding bars. Good luck getting a decent one btw.

    Damn right! wandered into the Temple bar pub last night for a pint, €6.45 for a pint of Heineken....


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    big_show wrote: »
    Damn right! wandered into the Temple bar pub last night for a pint, €6.45 for a pint of Heineken....

    Let it go already :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    The pav should sell naggins. Not everyone enjoys beer/cider.

    They already sell cans and the disparity between cans and pints is nowhere near that of bottles of spirits in off-licences and "measures" in pubs.

    I know it's not going to happen but i don't see why (other than closed-mindedness or fear of a closed-minded knee-jerk reaction). A naggin contains roughly the same amount of alcohol as a 4pack of bavaria and they have no problems selling them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    The pav should sell naggins. Not everyone enjoys beer/cider.

    They already sell cans and the disparity between cans and pints is nowhere near that of bottles of spirits in off-licences and "measures" in pubs.

    I know it's not going to happen but i don't see why (other than closed-mindedness or fear of a closed-minded knee-jerk reaction). A naggin contains roughly the same amount of alcohol as a 4pack of bavaria and they have no problems selling them.

    Yes, the same amount of alcohol with one tenth of the volume. Thats the problem. Promotes drinking to excess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Boston wrote: »
    Yes, the same amount of alcohol with one tenth of the volume. Thats the problem. Promotes drinking to excess.

    I really don't see how. Responsible drinking is about the choices you make, it's nothing to do with the strength of the drink. Tell me, does wine promote drinking to excess moreso than beer?

    As a completley unrelated aside i don't think many people would be drinking them straight. At €1 a pint, cordial bought at the bar is a cheap and convenient mixer (i'd suggest they expand their range of flavours).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    I really don't see how. Responsible drinking is about the choices you make, it's nothing to do with the strength of the drink. Tell me, does wine promote drinking to excess moreso than beer?

    As a completley unrelated aside i don't think many people would be drinking them straight. At €1 a pint cordial bought at the bar is much cheaper than soft drinks from a convenince store.

    I generally see them being knocked back straight. They are bought for the purposes of load drinking. Get the cheap naggin in and start the night fuked like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭phlegms


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    The pav should sell naggins. Not everyone enjoys beer/cider.

    They already sell cans and the disparity between cans and pints is nowhere near that of bottles of spirits in off-licences and "measures" in pubs.

    I know it's not going to happen but i don't see why (other than closed-mindedness or fear of a closed-minded knee-jerk reaction). A naggin contains roughly the same amount of alcohol as a 4pack of bavaria and they have no problems selling them.

    But then if they started selling naggins, it would stopped being called a sneaky naggin when I drink mine in the pav. And quite frankly, the sneaky aspect of the naggin is the best part..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Boston wrote: »
    I generally see them being knocked back straight. They are bought for the purposes of load drinking. Get the cheap naggin in and start the night fuked like.

    People who knock back whole naggins straight are a very small minority. Trust me, your stomach would know all about it.

    The behaviour you describe is what you'd expect from someone who wants to minimise their purchasing of expensive drinks at a club or something. It's not how someone who's drinking what they have bought at the place would behave. You have to bear in mind that a naggin at the pav would be more expensive than 4 cans of bavaria, so the people interested in getting wasted would obviously buy the beer.

    Students who prefer to drink vodka (for health/taste reasons) will be the only ones buying these. We are a large minority whose needs aren't really being catered for by the pav atm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    Not everyone enjoys beer/cider.

    Strap on a pair...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    One would have thought you'd prefer wine as this stage of the integration process frenchie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    phlegms wrote: »
    But then if they started selling naggins, it would stopped being called a sneaky naggin when I drink mine in the pav. And quite frankly, the sneaky aspect of the naggin is the best part..

    Id imagine they dont sell naggins in the pav for the exact same reasons any other pub doesnt sell naggins, unless ofc they sell off sales.

    And unlike mosts pubs, the 4 for 8 has been in place for years. So every time the price of buying them from the supplier went up, the pav took the hit, not the flush students.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Id imagine they dont sell naggins in the pav for the exact same reasons any other pub doesnt sell naggins, unless ofc they sell off sales.
    But other pubs don't sell cans, do they?
    Toulousain wrote: »
    Strap on a pair...

    haha.... hilarious :rolleyes:.

    I feel sorry for guys with such fragile male identities that they feel the need to drink beer to maintain one. They certainly don't have this in other countrys.

    I agree that some people may instantly enjoy beer, but they seem like the minority. Most beer drinkers I have talked to admit to going through a phase of drinking beer and not enjoying it before they became tolerant to it's taste. Why?

    It's funny, but i have some friends who claim to "like the taste of beer" yet I can drink a pint faster than them despite being open about my dislike for the stuff. I suspose it's not just guys though, I know a girl who claims to like wine, but clearly doesn't based on her facial expressions while drinking it.

    Going through unneccesary discomfort purely to fit in is stupid imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    But other pubs don't sell cans, do they?
    quote]

    In general no, but the 4 for 8 is the bars biggest seller as far as im aware and the cheap alternative to higher priced products. Selling naggins would reduce revenue even further, with the knock on effect of less funds for DUCAC. Which in turn means less funds for sports in trinity.

    The Pav is a buisness and run as buisness, not a non profit club bar, where students can go on the piss for 5 euro. Id imagine if the bar did not turn a profit, you guys would still be pissing in bushes and laneways instead on new toilets...!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭Doug Cartel


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    It's funny, but i have some friends who claim to "like the taste of beer" yet I can drink a pint faster than them despite being open about my dislike for the stuff.

    Perhaps they take longer because they like the taste and don't feel the need to knock it back? If someone hates beer, then I cold imagine that any time they do drink it, they take occasional big gulps in an effort to get it down the hatch without having to taste too much of it. This behaviour would make much excellent practice for skulling a pint.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,791 ✭✭✭electrogrimey


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    I agree that some people may instantly enjoy beer, but they seem like the minority. Most beer drinkers I have talked to admit to going through a phase of drinking beer and not enjoying it before they became tolerant to it's taste. Why?

    There's also the matter of maturity of taste. Children like white chocolate, but as you grow older, you lose the taste for sweet white chocolate and prefer dark chocolate. When I was younger, I couldn't stand the taste of beer. Now I'd prefer a quality beer to any other drink. Any teenager who doesn't like beer, give them a few years, and their taste will mature, and eventually they will. It's not being acclimatized to it, it's a physical thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    Boston wrote: »
    One would have thought you'd prefer wine as this stage of the integration process frenchie.

    Well, a lot can be said for a nice bottle of 2003 Cotes du Rhone red (grenache in particular), though the prices here are just utterly prohibitative... I mean, you're hitting serious business at €8 over in Frogland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Perhaps they take longer because they like the taste and don't feel the need to knock it back? If someone hates beer, then I cold imagine that any time they do drink it, they take occasional big gulps in an effort to get it down the hatch without having to taste too much of it. This behaviour would make much excellent practice for skulling a pint.
    Perhaps, but not when the person involved explicitly states "I'm drinking it as fast as i can" (or something else to that effect) and I am pausing for a good 40-50 seconds between mouthfulls. If they really enjoyed the taste they'd have been able to drink it with the same ease as they would a glass of 7up (which is incidentally how the proper beer drinkers drank theirs).

    Regardless, there is no doubt in my mind that there are people out there who dislike beer but drink it anyway to fit in. And I have already stated that I'm pretty sure I know a few of these people myself. Fear of being the butt of jokes such as toulousian's are probably why they do this. Imo, this is a bit sad. Would you not agree?
    There's also the matter of maturity of taste. Children like white chocolate, but as you grow older, you lose the taste for sweet white chocolate and prefer dark chocolate. When I was younger, I couldn't stand the taste of beer. Now I'd prefer a quality beer to any other drink. Any teenager who doesn't like beer, give them a few years, and their taste will mature, and eventually they will. It's not being acclimatized to it, it's a physical thing.
    Personally i think that's a load of bullshit. Although I guess the only way to prove it would be to get some adults who have never drank beer (or any other alcoholic drink) and get them to try some beer and see whether they like the taste. I'd be inclined to think they'd find it horribly bitter.

    It's strange, but a lot of women I know claim to not like beer (not all of them young). Do you think that men just have a more mature sense of taste than women?
    In general no, but the 4 for 8 is the bars biggest seller as far as im aware and the cheap alternative to higher priced products. Selling naggins would reduce revenue even further, with the knock on effect of less funds for DUCAC. Which in turn means less funds for sports in trinity.

    The Pav is a buisness and run as buisness, not a non profit club bar, where students can go on the piss for 5 euro. Id imagine if the bar did not turn a profit, you guys would still be pissing in bushes and laneways instead on new toilets...!
    C'mon. Is that really all you've got?

    Obviously appropriate profit margins would apply to the naggins. I don't for one second think they'd be as cheap as an off-licence, but they would be much cheaper than buying 6 shots at the bar (which i doubt any of the bar staff honestly expect students to pay). I don't see how this scheme could result in anything but more profit for the pav.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭fh041205


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    But other pubs don't sell cans, do they?

    I've been in places that do yea. Only when they run a tap dry though. One place in particular in Clare that ran dry at a late enough hour and just poured cans into glasses for people. I wouldn't imagine its too legal, but it was that late a night that they obviously had their own stockpile because there was nowhere else they could have gotten it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    Perhaps, but not when the person involved explicitly states "I'm drinking it as fast as i can" (or something else to that effect) and I am pausing for a good 40-50 seconds between mouthfulls. If they really enjoyed the taste they'd have been able to drink it with the same ease as they would a glass of 7up (which is incidentally how the proper beer drinkers drank theirs).

    Regardless, there is no doubt in my mind that there are people out there who dislike beer but drink it anyway to fit in. And I have already stated that I'm pretty sure I know a few of these people myself. Fear of being the butt of jokes such as toulousian's are probably why they do this. Imo, this is a bit sad. Would you not agree?Personally i think that's a load of bullshit. Although I guess the only way to prove it would be to get some adults who have never drank beer (or any other alcoholic drink) and get them to try some beer and see whether they like the taste. I'd be inclined to think they'd find it horribly bitter.

    It's strange, but a lot of women I know claim to not like beer (not all of them young). Do you think that men just have a more mature sense of taste than women?C'mon. Is that really all you've got?

    Obviously appropriate profit margins would apply to the naggins. I don't for one second think they'd be as cheap as an off-licence, but they would be much cheaper than buying 6 shots at the bar (which i doubt any of the bar staff honestly expect students to pay). I don't see how this scheme could result in anything but more profit for the pav.


    TL;DR

    'Some of my friends are absolute pussys who can't drink beer. I am also a pussy, so I think the pav should sell naggins'

    In response to your post....do what I do when funds are low. Go buy a shoulder in the offie by the davenport hotel and drink it in the hamo computer rooms while browsing boards. Great craic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭devinejay


    Great craic indeed, especially when it's like 6.30 and they're fairly full, and you're trying to crack open your cans as quietly as possible to avoid suspicion.

    Might catch you in there some time!


    Edit: Also +1 on the pussies point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭shay_562


    I thought cider was what men who don't like the taste of beer drank instead?

    vinylmesh - not everyone who drinks beer or cider and doesn't like the taste is doing it to be cool. Some of us are just broke and prefer the cheaper way of drinking that doesn't involve smuggling a naggin in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    C'mon. Is that really all you've got?

    Obviously appropriate profit margins would apply to the naggins. I don't for one second think they'd be as cheap as an off-licence, but they would be much cheaper than buying 6 shots at the bar (which i doubt any of the bar staff honestly expect students to pay). I don't see how this scheme could result in anything but more profit for the pav.

    So selling the same amount of spirits for alot less, will result in more profits - bearing in mind ofc, there is a larger mark up on spirits sold by the measure :confused::confused::confused:

    Not to mention promoting excessive drinking, and dont try tell me students know when they have had enough. Selling spirits by the measure pretty much ensures you are limiting their alcolhol intake by staggering the amount they comsume in a certain time period. Selling a naggin at a bar will pretty much say "here go knock that back in one go", and i dont mean that literally, but measures become a whole lot less diluted and much bigger. And dont try telling me otherwise, ive seen this happen in pubs where people have brought thier own naggins in.

    On numerous occassions ive seen the damage naggins (or bigger bottles) have done to young people inexperienced and looking to get drunk quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭gearoidof


    I don't think you're going about this in the proper manner, grimey.
    Have you thought of contacting the pav directly with your novel business idea?

    If you do, they may be able to give you a very succint reason for saying no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭Jev/N


    vinylmesh wrote: »
    I feel sorry for guys with such fragile male identities that they feel the need to drink beer to maintain one. They certainly don't have this in other countrys.

    I agree that some people may instantly enjoy beer, but they seem like the minority. Most beer drinkers I have talked to admit to going through a phase of drinking beer and not enjoying it before they became tolerant to it's taste. Why?

    Try drinking some decent beers and then see....


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