MVP

Hazys

With 3 weeks left who do you think deserves the following awards for the season:

MVP: Toss up between Manning and Brees
Offensive Player: Welker
Defensive Player: Dumervil
Offensive Rookie: Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Orakpo
Head Coach: Payton


Wes Welker has been unbelievable this season, currently has 105 catches (18 more than 2nd), is 2nd in total receiving yards and he has 2 less games played then everybody else. He tied Marvin Harrison's record as fastest to 100 catches in a season in 11 games (really 9 since he missed the first 2).

He has shown heart, toughness and determination in every game this season and has put a lot of other Patriot players to shame. He gets laid out several times a game by guys 100lbs heavier than him but gets str8 back up onto he's feet and catches the next pass. He is the ultimate professional and a perfect role model for kids who watch the game. I'm starting to believe he is more important than Brady on the Patriots team as he had an excellant season last year with Cassel and was the main go to guy for him also. All this from a 5ft9, 185lb free agent rookie...not bad eh?

_Buck Rogers

MVP Chris Johnson

frostie500

MVP: Farve-he is the reason that the Vikes are going to be the no 2 seed
Offensive Player: Drew Brees
Defensive Player: Dumervil
Offensive Rookie: Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Brian Cushing

davyjose

MVP: Brett Favre (But could as easily be Brees or Manning)

OFF Player: Chris Johnson
OFF Rookie: Percy Harvin
DEF Palyer: Elvis Dumervil
DEF Rookie: Vontae Davis

davyjose

_Buck Rogers wrote: »

MVP Chris Johnson

You can't give MVP to a player on a team with a losing record, IMO.
I think one of the reasons Manning might win it is because of his "Value". Brees is hugely important, but the D and running game are equally as important to that team.
That's what blows me away about Favre - he's MVP on a team WITH Peterson on it. :eek:

_Buck Rogers

Touche, I'll edit if titans miss out:P

tallaghtoutlaws

MVP: Manning/Favre/Brees
Offensive Player: Johnson
Defensive Player: Revis
Offensive Rookie: Harvin/Britt
Defensive Rookie: Orakpo/Maualuga
Head Coach: Payton

jdivision

MVP: Brees
Offensive: Johnson
Defensive: Revis
Offensive Rookie: Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Brian Cushing (even though I think Orakpo will get it)
Rookie most looking forward to seeing next year: Rolando McClain (if he declares)

Sea Devils

MVP: Manning/Brees
Offensive Player: Johnson
Defensive Player: Revis
Offensive Rookie: Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Orakpo/Cushing

ReacherCreature

MVP: Peyton Manning.
Offensive Player: Chris Johnson.
Defensive Player: Charles Woodson.
Offensive Rookie: Percy Harvin.
Defensive Rookie: Brian Cushing.
Coach: Jim Caldwell.

eagle eye

MVP: Should be Chris Johnson but probably Brees shades if over Manning.
Offensive Player: Chris Johnson
Defensive Player: Elvis Dumervil
Offensive Rookie: Hard to call, one of Moreno/Harvin/Collie
Defensive Rookie: Jairus Byrd

ArmCandyBaby

MVP: Brees just shades Favre for me. Manning got a soft one last year so no and Johnson's on a losing team and was missing for too much at the start of the season.
Offensive Player: Chris Johnson deserves this one though because he has been ridiculous and barring injury he'll break the yards from scrimmage record.
Defensive Player: Revis.
Offensive Rookie: Harvin.
Defensive Rookie: Cushing.
Coach: Payton.

davyjose

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

MVP Manning got a soft one last year

:eek::eek: Back from knee surgery, taking a team from 3-4 to 12-4, is a soft one?
I'd hate to see a hard one.
Also,there's a reason MVP is a different award to OFF MVP, or DEF MVP.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

:eek::eek: Back from knee surgery, taking a team from 3-4 to 12-4, is a soft one?
I'd hate to see a hard one.
Also,there's a reason MVP is a different award to OFF MVP, or DEF MVP.

That doesn't count at all for MVP.

I personally thought AP should have got it and Rivers was next in line for me last season. They both had outstanding years.

ReacherCreature

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

Manning got a soft one last year so no

Winning 8 on trot as well as a statistically sound season means he deserved it imo.

RichTea

MVP: Drew Brees (Consensus says it's his to lose now apparently)
Offensive Player: Chris Johnson
Defensive Player: Charles Woodson
Offensive Rookie: Percy Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Jairus Byrd
Head Coach: Marvin Lewis

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't count at all for MVP.

I personally thought AP should have got it and Rivers was next in line for me last season. They both had outstanding years.

No you're right, it doesn't. But the fact is, Manning dragged the Colts from 3-4 to 12-4 winning 9 games in a row. When he needed them to take the slack, they didn't*. It proves his "value" because basically we got a glimpse of the Colts without a fit Manning.

Rivers had a huge december, but San Diego were not great up to that. peterson was definitely a contender, but i would not say Manning had a soft one.

tallaghtoutlaws

Here we go again............

heyjude

Chris Johnson has 1626yds so far and needs 479yds(159yds/remaining game) to reach Eric Dickerson's NFL record single season total of 2105 yds which has stood since 1984. Johnson is probably already favourite to be offensive player of the year, but if he breaks Dickerson's 25 year old NFL record, then he must get the MVP award. His remaining games are home against Miami(14th vs Rush), San Diego(21st vs Rush) and away to Seattle(11th vs Rush).

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Here we go again............

No. no. I agree it was an open year, but certainly not soft. Put it this way, if Rivers won it this year, there'd be surprise, but last year nobaody had the kind of season that Favre, Brees or Manning are having this year. what Rivers is doing for SD is a lot like what Manning did last year. That's all. i'll go now

ArmCandyBaby

davyjose wrote: »

Back from knee surgery, taking a team from 3-4 to 12-4, is a soft one?
I'd hate to see a hard one.
Also,there's a reason MVP is a different award to OFF MVP, or DEF MVP.

But he was the one who got them to 3-4 in the first place!! How does that suddenly not count?! He performed well over 9 games but that's hardly enough - it's just over half the season. I say it was soft because if he performed like that this year or in 07, 06, 05 etc. he wouldn't have been talked about at all. Furthermore, I think to get it two years in a row you have to be so phenomenally good that they just can't award it to anyone else ie. Manning 03-04...

tallaghtoutlaws

Hold on a second people are saying Peyton Manning didn't deserve but in the same boat Chris Johnson had a less than stellar start to the season this season 2 solid games out of his first 6 and now is on a streak of excellent games. So does this now make him no longer worthy of MVP if the Titans were pushing for the Bowl?

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

Chris Johnson has 1626yds so far and needs 479yds(159yds/remaining game) to reach Eric Dickerson's NFL record single season total of 2105 yds which has stood since 1984. Johnson is probably already favourite to be offensive player of the year, but if he breaks Dickerson's 25 year old NFL record, then he must get the MVP award. His remaining games are home against Miami(14th vs Rush), San Diego(21st vs Rush) and away to Seattle(11th vs Rush).

Tom Brady and Randy Moss broke records in 2007 and didn't get MVP so why should Chris Johnson be any different? And Chris Johnson isn't even getting to the Post season so to be honest most likely wont be considered for MVP come the playoffs. He will definitely get Offensive MVP though.

Dodge

MVP: Drew Brees (or Manning)
Offensive Player: Chris Johnson
Defensive Player: Darren Sharper (or Revis)
Offensive Rookie: Percy Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Brian Cushing (or Jairus Byrd)
Head Coach: Sean Payton

Dodge

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Tom Brady and Randy Moss broke records in 2007 and didn't get MVP

Brady was MVP in 2007 (Brady won offensive player too)

A better example would be Brees last year. 2nd highest passing yards of all time but on a not great team so he won Offensive player, leaving MVP to those play off bound

tallaghtoutlaws

Dodge wrote: »

Brady was MVP in 2007 (Brady won offensive player too)

A better example would be Brees last year. 2nd highest passing yards of all time but on a not great team so he won Offensive player, leaving MVP to those play off bound

I for some reason thought it was Eli manning Doh!

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I for some reason thought it was Eli manning Doh!

Super Bowl MVP

Ah if Brady didn't win MVP in '07 it would have devalued the award to the point of being meaningless.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Super Bowl MVP

Ah if Brady didn't win MVP in '07 it would have devalued the award to the point of being meaningless.

Taxi for 1 taxi for 1. I'm off now....... :D

davyjose

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

But he was the one who got them to 3-4 in the first place!! How does that suddenly not count?! He performed well over 9 games but that's hardly enough - it's just over half the season. I say it was soft because if he performed like that this year or in 07, 06, 05 etc. he wouldn't have been talked about at all. Furthermore, I think to get it two years in a row you have to be so phenomenally good that they just can't award it to anyone else ie. Manning 03-04...

My point is that before the 3-4 and after the 12-4 the team was the exact same, so the only variable was Manning's health. We'll assume he was at full health in the second half of the season, so if an improved Manning is the difference between a team with a losing record, to an unbeaten team, then that surely indicates that the guy is seriously valuable to the Colts.

As eagle pointed out, I'm not making allowances for the early part of the season, but I am merely making the point that the decision to make Manning MVP was a sound one. 12-4 is still 12-4, and as proven above, that was ALL down to Manning.

Edit: FWIW i know I seem to be running a 1 man Peyton fan Club (although he is easily my favourite player), personally I was surprised he won it, and would probably have given it to AP. But it wasn't soft. That's all I'm saying.

ArmCandyBaby

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Hold on a second people are saying Peyton Manning didn't deserve but in the same boat Chris Johnson had a less than stellar start to the season this season 2 solid games out of his first 6 and now is on a streak of excellent games. So does this now make him no longer worthy of MVP if the Titans were pushing for the Bowl?

I think I'm the only one that said Peyton didn't deserve it last year because he didn't perform for the first half and I think CJ doesn't deserve it this year for the same reason. Eagle Eye was the other one who wasn't for Manning but for CJ this year but he said nothing about eithers poor streak so could have a different reason to mine. One thing to take on board though is that even with his poor start CJ is chasing down one of the very top NFL season records which Manning wasn't even close to doing last year.

eagle eye

I certainly don't think Manning should have got it last year. I still think he should have 3 awards though, he should have got it in 2006.

LT got it that year, he had 1800+ yards on the season. Shaun Alexander got it the year before for a similar feat. AP had 1760 last year but didn't get it. I understand that the first two had better seasons, but in all fairness when you have QBs like Rivers and Hasselback throwing 3500 or so yards and having ratings in the 90's its going to make it easier for a RB as the opposing D cannot just protect against the run and it will be easier to find holes as a result.

Chris Johnson is going to go very close to breaking Dickerson's record and his ypc is through the roof. Every D is watching Johnson but he is still just destroying them.

Black Swan

MVP: Drew Brees or Brett Favre? Blue tosses coin.

davyjose

Perhaps i have a different take on the award than others. Manning might not have had a record-breaking season, but he took his team to 12-4. CJ won't be taking anyone to 12-4 this season, or to a Play-off. so where's the "Value"? Sure, the guy is stunning, but he's not carrying a franchise on his shoulders (he is to a point, but nothing like Manning has done). Manning has done this every year, and if anything, last season was a taste of the Colts without Manning (or a 100% Manning) for a while. And underlined even more starkly how NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE depends on a player as much as the Colts do on Manning. And 12-4 is 12-4. It's a hugely impressive reg season by any standards.

That's why it was not a bad choice.

Most year there's a player or two that take the league by the balls. 04 manning, 06 LT, 07 Brady. This year 3 or four players. that didn't happen last year. So it was always gonna be contentious.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Perhaps i have a different take on the award than others. Manning might not have had a record-breaking season, but he took his team to 12-4. CJ won't be taking anyone to 12-4 this season, or to a Play-off. so where's the "Value"? Sure, the guy is stunning, but he's not carrying a franchise on his shoulders (he is to a point, but nothing like Manning has done). Manning has done this every year, and if anything, last season was a taste of the Colts without Manning (or a 100% Manning) for a while. And underlined even more starkly how NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE depends on a player as much as the Colts do on Manning. And 12-4 is 12-4. It's a hugely impressive reg season by any standards.

That's why it was not a bad choice.

Most year there's a player or two that take the league by the balls. 04 manning, 06 LT, 07 Brady. This year 3 or four players. that didn't happen last year. So it was always gonna be contentious.

To be honest I think the MVP award is a joke and causes debates like this. Although I think most awards are a joke. I generally don't care who gets it the reasons I can just picture a room full of the AP deciding who gets it having the same debates.

Most Valuable Player in the League: If the League were to end today you would have to give it to Drew Brees or Chris Johnson in my opinion.

But then you have to figure in the Playoffs. So by that right Chris Johnson no longer becomes the Most Valuable player in the League as he wont make the playoffs. But say Drew Brees and Peyton Manning both have terrible Playoffs and both crash out with bad games and low stats and for arguments sake as does Brett Favre does this put Chris Johnson back in the Running or does some new contender appear from the smoke?

_Buck Rogers

MVP is decided over the season, not one game, or two games.

Teams may have perfect seasons but in my opinion a player will never be perfect in any particular season. Even if their team goes 19 - 0.

tallaghtoutlaws

_Buck Rogers wrote: »

MVP is decided over the season, not one game, or two games.

Teams may have perfect seasons but in my opinion a player will never be perfect in any particular season. Even if their team goes 19 - 0.

If you are responding to me you missed my point.

Right now in serious contention we have:

Chris Johnson
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Drew Bress

All four having MVP type seasons.

Now Johnson will drop off this list the minute we reach the playoffs leaving:

Favre
Manning
Brees

My question was if those 3 crash out in the Playoffs who does the award go to? 1 of the original 4 still or is a new contender found in the remaining playoff teams.

As the award is decided over the whole season it would be a tough call on the scenario above.

Peyton Manning

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive: Chris Johnson
Defensive: Charles Woodson (or Jared Allen)
Off Rookie: Knowshon Moreno/Percy Harvin
Def Rookie: Brian Orakpo/Brian Cushing/Rey Maualuga

_Buck Rogers

Nope, hence I didn't quote ya . Was saying it because there is some feelings from people that a bad start to the season should rule a player out of the award etc. So was just giviing my 2 penneth

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

If you are responding to me you missed my point.

Right now in serious contention we have:

Chris Johnson
Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Drew Bress

All four having MVP type seasons.

Now Johnson will drop off this list the minute we reach the playoffs leaving:

Favre
Manning
Brees

My question was if those 3 crash out in the Playoffs who does the award go to? 1 of the original 4 still or is a new contender found in the remaining playoff teams.

As the award is decided over the whole season it would be a tough call on the scenario above.

evil_seed

MVP: Brees/Manning/Favre
Offensive Player: Johnson/Davis/Brees
Defensive Player: Woodson/Dumervill/Revis
Offensive Rookie: Harvin
Defensive Rookie: Byrd/Orakpo/Cushing
Coach of the Year: Lewis/Caldwell/Payton

As you can see, imo, most of the awards are up for grabs between a few. the only lock i see is harvin.

ReacherCreature

Would Philip Rivers not warrant consideration?

Justin10

Of course he would, but lets say it came down to Manning, Rivers, Johnson. Who you think they are going to give it to??

Manning of course.

To be fair it seems that MVP is now just something to talk about until the playoffs start. Rookie of the year seems to be a bigger award now.

frostie500

Rochey18 wrote: »

To be fair it seems that MVP is now just something to talk about until the playoffs start. Rookie of the year seems to be a bigger award now.

What makes you say that? I would think with as many possible candidates as there are for MVP that it would be pretty important this year. With Farve and Manning going against each other for their fourth, Brees gunning for it, then you put in Rivers et al and its a great award to win. I wouldnt put the rookie of the year titles anywhere near the MVP in terms of importance or interest. The offensive one is Harvin's to lose but while the defensive one is pretty competitive its not as full a field as the MVP race where as many as half a dozen players can legitimately be talked upon in the same breath

Justin10

I wouldnt either.. but for example Matt Ryan last year was pretty clear he was going to win rookie of the year and with that people tipping him for MVP which he was never going to get.

Agree also competition this year for MVP higher then other years but if rivers or johnson dont get it I wouldnt think they be sobbing too much.. Johnson im sure care more about the record attempt and Rivers getting the ring Eli already has.

Royal Seahawk

Who is going to win the MVP?

Who gives a ****, roll on the playoffs!
That is where the real rewards are.;)

davyjose

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Who is going to win the MVP?

Who gives a ****, roll on the playoffs!
That is where the real rewards are.;)

I really wanted Manning to get the MVP last year. I got my wish. Pity I was left sitting there after OT against San diego with my head in my hands, and a smashed remote control.

You're dead right Royal, MVP SchmemVP. The ring on the finger is all that counts for Brees, Favre, Rivers AND Manning. (And the yardage would mean more to Johnson, I'm sure)

maharg92

MVP: Rivers
Offensive:Chris Johnson
Defensive: Jared Allen
Offensive Rookie: Percy Harvin (huge fan since his gator day)
Deffensive Rookie: Cushing
Head Coach: Jim Caldwell

Hazys

Probably better suited to this thread so we can compare predicitions.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201....ap/index.html

Cushing wins defensive rookie of the year award. The 9th LB in 10 years to win the award.

The awards release schedule...offensive rookie of the year award l8r today:

January 6 (morning): defensive rookie of the year.

January 6 (afternoon): offensive rookie of the year.

January 7 (morning): comeback player of the year.

January 10: MVP.

January 13 (morning): defensive player of the year.

January 14 (morning): offensive player of the year.

January 15 (morning): All-Pro team.

January 17: coach of the year.

Hazys

Percy Harvin is offensive rookie of the year.

Tom Brady is comeback player of the year.

No suprises there.

bobby wade

I'd have gone with Cadillac as comeback but won't argue too much

eagle eye

I'm just waiting to be disgusted when Chris Johnson doesn't get the MVP.

ReacherCreature

Hazys wrote: »

Tom Brady is comeback player of the year.

No suprises there.

Happy for Tom.

I would've mentioned Carson Palmer there too. I think he done a great job coming back and guiding the Bengals to where they are now.