few questions

theirishguy

hi there,
I'm just wondering what is the age limit for buying a rifle/air rifle in ireland?
i've being shooting for a while now with my uncle's gun's and i think its time i got my own . if i get a gun would i be able to keep it in his gun safe rather then buying my own?

Dusty87

16 to have your own. Although iv heard of a few people saying they were refused at 16. You can get a learners permit on your uncles gun if your 14.
I presume your not living with your uncle but the gun can be stored there. Iv moved recently and my gun is still at the home place. Im not sure about being allowed keep it in your Uncles safe though as he would have access to it and he wouldnt be licenced on it. Thats what i think but i wouldnt be certain on it.

theirishguy

Dusty87 wrote: »

16 to have your own. Although iv heard of a few people saying they were refused at 16. You can get a learners permit on your uncles gun if your 14.
I presume your not living with your uncle but the gun can be stored there. Iv moved recently and my gun is still at the home place. Im not sure about being allowed keep it in your Uncles safe though as he would have access to it and he wouldnt be licenced on it. Thats what i think but i wouldnt be certain on it.

i'm currently 17 and 18 in july so i can go and try buying a rilfe then because i was told that you had to be 21 for a rifle/air rifle.

happyjack

Why dont you ask your uncle if he'd let you dual license his gun, that way you could legally use the gun, at the moment if your caught with his gun firing it you'll get in a lot of trouble as firearms law in this country is quite strict, plus members of the Gardai visit this site.

Another option is to shoot at a clay range, they can legally rent you a club gun for an evening and you would not need to be directly licensed to the gun your using because they are licensed by the cops to do this.

Another option is to join your local NARGC game/ hunting club, this will give you shooting cover in case you have an accident and also reason in the eyes of the cops to license your own gun, you make new friends and learn where theres good places to hunt locally etc.

I dont think another person can store a gun that they are not directly licensed to, as they would then have access to it.

If you get caught using his gun he will lose his license, plus your risking a firearms offence, be careful.

Any accident you may have whilst carrying his gun makes him lible for the damages as he is the legal owner and thus responcable for it's end usage.

I'd go for a dual unlimited license and then in time buy your own, you could store the gun at his house and be licensed to it, I had that arrangement myself for a few years with a shotgun when subsequent shotgun licenses were only 6/ 7 euro a year.

I wish you many years of safe hunting, welcome to the shooting world.

HJ:)

Dusty87

theirishguy wrote: »

i was told that you had to be 21 for a rifle/air rifle.

No its 16 although it would help if you had a safety course done and are a member of a club. Not sure where the 21 age came from but it is 16. Just make sure you've everything in order on the applications forms

Dusty87

happyjack wrote: »

I dont think another person can store a gun that they are not directly licensed to, as they would then have access to it.

But if the uncle dosnt have access to it im sure he can HappyJack. If in a seperate safe which the irishguy only has access to. My gun is at the home place in a safe. The house is a lot safer than mine and i am the only one with keys to the safe. Was told by the FO to leave it there when i moved.

theirishguy

i'm living in a housing estate and we are renting the house so we dont really want to be drilling holes in the walls as for my uncles safe he's moving to dublin and hes selling his guns so he said i could use he's safe there's only one key and its well hidden.

Tricky1127

Hi TheIrishGuy, I know of two Air Rifles .22 for sale, an Login Sweet 16 like new in the box and a RWS Excalibur also mint both come with scopes and suppressors You should Google them and see what you think only for sale because of lack of use
Regards T

Sparks

TheIrishGuy, what part of the country are you in? There may be a shooting club nearby that would be a better idea, especially if your uncle is moving and won't be around.

rrpc

Sparks wrote: »

TheIrishGuy, what part of the country are you in? There may be a shooting club nearby that would be a better idea, especially if your uncle is moving and won't be around.

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Dusty87

rrpc wrote: »

theirishguy
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Ask Sparks can you have a loan of his Double Facepalm picture:D

Sparks

That was more a D'Oh than a double-facepalm
And now that we've noticed what the OP was saying about where he is, perhaps someone from the clubs near him would care to volunteer to help bring a new shooter into the sport?

Dusty87

Sparks wrote: »

That was more a D'Oh than a double-facepalm
And now that we've noticed what the OP was saying about where he is, perhaps someone from the clubs near him would care to volunteer to help bring a new shooter into the sport?

I suppose it was:D
Which is it wants to do? Air rifle or rifle??

Sparks

That's down to the OP Dusty, but for enniscorthy I'd say he's more likely to find a club that can manage smallbore than one which can manage air.

theirishguy

hi there guys thank you all very much for taking the time to post!
yes i'm living in enniscorthy co. wexford i was looking for a starter rifle i had my eye on a cz 452 for €395 or what would you guys recommend and how long is the waiting list/period?

Dusty87

theirishguy wrote: »

hi there guys thank you all very much for taking the time to post!
yes i'm living in enniscorthy co. wexford i was looking for a starter rifle i had my eye on a cz 452 for €395 or what would you guys recommend and how long is the waiting list/period?

No problem. Im more a shotgun man so dont know much about rifles only im looking at a CZ and anyone iv asked has recommended them.
I think the time waiting for your licence vary's from area to area

theirishguy

Dusty87 wrote: »

Im more a shotgun man

yup i use a mossberg 500 (don't jeer me XD)

theirishguy

just a quick question.
would it be harder for me to get a license because i'm living in a built up area but i don't actually live in the town.

Sparks

theirishguy wrote: »

just a quick question.
would it be harder for me to get a license because i'm living in a built up area but i don't actually live in the town.

It shouldn't be, so long as you're shooting somewhere else.

theirishguy

hey there guys sorry to bother you guys again,
just wondering what type of rile you guys would recommended for a starter with the price range of 400 max.

Dusty87

Thats what the forums for:)
What quarry would you be using the rifle for?

theirishguy

Dusty87 wrote: »

Thats what the forums for:)
What quarry would you be using the rifle for?

i dont know what quarry means but i think i know what your on about i would be using it for rabbits

Cass

Have you tried the Wanted/For Sale section.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055702776

Dusty87

theirishguy wrote: »

i dont know what quarry means but i think i know what your on about i would be using it for rabbits

My friend has a .17hmr for exactly that. Great rifle.
A .22 maybe better for you if you wanted to chance your arm at the odd fox when you get used to it.

Cass

Dusty87 wrote: »

......A .22 maybe better for you if you wanted to chance your arm at the odd fox when you get used to it.

Do you mean a .22 centrefire?

theirishguy

ezridax wrote: »

Have you tried the Wanted/For Sale section.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055702776

yeh i was looking at that one.
i was looking at the CZ 452 with 4X40 hawke sport hd scope on
http://patrickcarleyfirearms.com/rifles-for-sale.html
got one more question what is the difference between rimfire and centerfire riles?

Cass

Rimfire bullets fire after being struck by the firing pin on the rim of the bullet.



Centrefire ammunition is just that. It has a primer cap located in the centre of the casing that must be struck by the firing pin to ignite the powder and fire the bullet.

happyjack

theirishguy wrote: »

yup i use a mossberg 500 (don't jeer me XD)

I've gota OMF woodland camo Mossberg 500 series turkey gun with a 24 inch ribbed barrel that takes interchangeable chokes, I've had semi's and over and unders down through the years, but I've traded them in and always kept my mossy, they're a really good knock about gun for the money, to my mind they are the best design pump on the market, top mounted safety, open frame shell lifter that allows you to load two rounds at a time into the mag tube, disconnectors right where you need it so you can eject the first round quickly if you wana swop to the second cartridge, great gun.

I used mine to shoot DTL clays for a few years, it kept me in A section, not bad for a pump, great game gun also.

I'd advice getting a sling for it or keeping the action visably open, maybe even with a neck scarf through the breach when shooting at clay grounds or with other old timers. Semi's and pumps can look a bit dangerous to other shooters, so it's best to do what ever you can to make it obivous the gun is 100% safe empty, when not in use.

The Mossbergs a brilliant pump, I had a mossberg semi auto for awhile to, and that was a great gun also.

I'd suggest a CZ/ BRNO model 452 22lr rifle, you can pick up a second hand one in good nick fairly easy, it's best to buy one that screw cut from the get go as it's a pain having to get the barrel threaded at a later date.

Another really good started gun is the Crossman 177 pump up air rifle, their really cheap to buy and very very accurate, no spring to wear out, no noise, great for varmint shooting and ammo is about 7squid for 500 pellets.

Really wish you well with your chosen sport, keep asking questions, thats what I did and still do, it's one thing reading a shooting mag or book another thing listening to someone who has actually done it.

Do you live in a city or where?

All the best,

HJ:)

theirishguy

thank you ezridax i always wondered what was the difference. i noticed that center fire rifles cost a lot more then rimfire.

happyjack
i live in a small town called enniscorthy its about 20 miles from wexford
i'm thinking very strongly about getting a cz452 but i'm broke atm so it will be sometime before i can some money together


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Cass

theirishguy wrote: »

thank you ezridax i always wondered what was the difference. i noticed that center fire rifles cost a lot more then rimfire.

They do. So does the ammunition. It is down to the manufacturing. A centrefire needs to be more resistant to the forces exerted on it by the larger bullet. The barrel needs to stand the test of the copper (and other coated/shelled) rounds being fired through it. Most rimfire bullets are coated in a wax (or similar type substance) and are made from lead which is soft and malleable and cause less "damage" or wear and tear to the barrel. Alot of rimfires (especially the heavy barrelled ones) will outlast the shooter. As in, a centrefire rifle would be good for 5,000 rounds on average (except the custom barrels- 1200). A rimfire, well i've yet to see one "burnt out" so i couldn't even guess at the amount it would take to wear out a barrel.

happyjack
i live in a small town called enniscorthy its about 20 miles from wexford
here is my housing estate on <SNIP> XD

Sorry if this is back seat modding (its not intended) but this is an open forum, i wouldn't be too keen on pin pointing your location. Just a thought.

i'm thinking very strongly about getting a cz452 but i'm broke atm so it will be sometime before i can some money together

You cannot go wrong with a CZ. I think the majority of people even the target shooters have started with this rifle. Its cheap, easy to use and as accurate as you like for a rifle of its price. I shot one for 14 years and throughout buying, selling and trading kept it.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

theirishguy

ezridax wrote: »

They do. So does the ammunition. It is down to the manufacturing. A centrefire needs to be more resistant to the forces exerted on it by the larger bullet. The barrel needs to stand the test of the copper (and other coated/shelled) rounds being fired through it. Most rimfire bullets are coated in a wax (or similar type substance) and are made from lead which is soft and malleable and cause less "damage" or wear and tear to the barrel. Alot of rimfires (especially the heavy barrelled ones) will outlast the shooter. As in, a centrefire rifle would be good for 5,000 rounds on average (except the custom barrels- 1200). A rimfire, well i've yet to see one "burnt out" so i couldn't even guess at the amount it would take to wear out a barrel.



Sorry if this is back seat modding (its not intended) but this is an open forum, i wouldn't be too keen on pin pointing your location. Just a thought.




You cannot go wrong with a CZ. I think the majority of people even the target shooters have started with this rifle. Its cheap, easy to use and as accurate as you like for a rifle of its price. I shot one for 14 years and throughout buying, selling and trading kept it.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.

very sorry for posting the link but its not a pin point location because there is over 300 houses and again VERY Sorry for posting its my own stupidity sorry.

freddieot

+1 for a CZ .22. I started with one of these as did a lot of lads and it is a great way to learn

Also, very very cheap for ammo compared to a centrefire, which will bleed you dry while you are trying to hone your skills in the beginning.

theirishguy

hey there guys,
just got another few question's that's being bugging me
when i go to a gun shop to get a rifle do i have to pay all at once or can i pay here and there?
should i get the safe first before i apply for the gun?
would it be wise to apply for a mod since i'm only starting out?

jwshooter

theirishguy wrote: »

hey there guys,
just got another few question's that's being bugging me
when i go to a gun shop to get a rifle do i have to pay all at once or can i pay here and there?
should i get the safe first before i apply for the gun?
would it be wise to apply for a mod since i'm only starting out?

depends on the RFD john lambert will take a deposit of you and you can pay the rest off when your waiting for the licence.

you could also put a desposit on the safe and get it out when the cpo contacts you.

Cass

theirishguy wrote: »

when i go to a gun shop to get a rifle do i have to pay all at once or can i pay here and there?

Most dealers require a deposit. The balance to be paid on collection of the firearm. If you want you can pay a bit at a time but my advice would be to put the money aside (at home) and then pay the balance when you have the license and money. Even if you have the license and not all the money explain your situation to the dealer, most will wait for the sale. DO NOT pay all the money up front. Its your guarantee in case anything goes wrong, gun wise, license wise, etc.

should i get the safe first before i apply for the gun?

If its your first gun get a note from your dealer saying you have paid a deposit on a safe. Attach the note with your application and on a seperate sheet explain you will have it paid for and installed prior to collection of the firearm on successful completion of the application. Or you could make a deal with your dealer that you will buy the safe and ask would he buy it back if your application is unsuccessful. You will know best which option is better.

would it be wise to apply for a mod since i'm only starting out?

Yes. You are entitled to apply regardless of previous experience or lack there of. If your reason for requiring one is valid you will get it. If not you won't.


Best of luck.

theirishguy

thank you very much guys for all the help very much appreciated.
i was looking on a few websites and i came across this

http://www.sportsden.ie/guns/gun-showroom/rifles/mossberg-22lr-rifle.html

for €135 its dead cheap what do you guys think?

Cass

3 things would concern me there.

1- The price. That old adgae "you get what you pay for" always has some truth to it. What can you reasonably expect for €135.

2 - The condition. It says reasonabe condition. Most dealers (as with cars) will say its in great condition and when you arrive to view it they will explain away any faults or marks.

3 - The picture. This ties in with the description. It says reasonable condition and comes with a scope, yet the picture would seem to be of a rifle from the mossberg website or some other site and not of the actual rifle.

E-mail them and ask for extra pics of the rifle with scope attached. Just be careful thats all. Even for €135 its still money to be lost if it turns out to be a lemon.


Remember, In God we trust, everyone else we check out.

theirishguy

ezridax wrote: »

3 things would concern me there.

1- The price. That old adgae "you get what you pay for" always has some truth to it. What can you reasonably expect for €135.

2 - The condition. It says reasonabe condition. Most dealers (as with cars) will say its in great condition and when you arrive to view it they will explain away any faults or marks.

3 - The picture. This ties in with the description. It says reasonable condition and comes with a scope, yet the picture would seem to be of a rifle from the mossberg website or some other site and not of the actual rifle.

E-mail them and ask for extra pics of the rifle with scope attached. Just be careful thats all. Even for €135 its still money to be lost if it turns out to be a lemon.


Remember, In God we trust, everyone else we check out.

yep i just sent a email now hopefully they reply.

CJhaughey

I don't think thats a mossberg looks more like a CZ to me. In fact many of the pics are not actually the correct rifle for the description!

rrpc

There are some pictures of the various models of Mossberg .22 rifles here. The one on that site is definitely a CZ which is extremely sloppy and misleading.

On that basis alone, I wouldn't go within an inch of that site to buy anything.

You won't beat a CZ for price, reliability and practicality, I've never heard anyone complain about them and I have mine over twenty years.

Cass

Was thinking something similar rrpc, CJ, but as i've never seen or used a mossberg .22 i did not want to dismiss it. It does seem slightly odd to advertise a certain rifle and show a picture of not only a different rifle but a completely different make.

Caveat emptor.

theirishguy

hey there, got an other question you guys might be able to answer.
i was looking at a krico rifle and was wonder what are your thoughts about this make of rifle?
the one i was looking at today was krico semi-auto .22 and its threaded

José Alaninho

Ahem... Ruger 10/22.... ahem....

Sparks

theirishguy wrote: »

what are your thoughts about this make of rifle?

Someone was on a few weeks back looking to try to get the krico to group properly on a target. Even in manual mode, it wouldn't. Got to go with earlier posters - for target work, stick with an anschutz in a target stock, either a 19-series (the match 54 action) or a 20-series (the newer action). For whacking bunnies and the like, the CZ's are probably a better choice.

Sparks

José Alaninho wrote: »

Ahem... Ruger 10/22.... ahem....

Ahem... useless crap piece of rifle that won't shoot accurately until you've replaced every moving part in it and two-thirds of the non-moving parts, after which it's only about the same as a proper rifle bought for less money... ahem...

theirishguy

i just got offered a cz 452 with a 4x40 scope, its threaded,bipod all for 395 i'm going to see about it tomorrow.

José Alaninho

Sparks wrote: »

Ahem... useless crap piece of rifle that won't shoot accurately until you've replaced every moving part in it and two-thirds of the non-moving parts, after which it's only about the same as a proper rifle bought for less money... ahem...

Pffft, firearms elitism

bunny shooter

I had one (10/22) many years ago, standard, shot LOTS of bunnies with it, never let me down

Cass

Sparks wrote: »

............ rifle that won't shoot accurately until you've replaced every moving part in it and two-thirds of the non-moving parts, ..........

Read this and had a quiet laugh to myself. Remember talking to a few lads a couple of months ago and one of them was singing the praises of his 10/22. When he showed us it, he told us how he replaced the trigger after a "little while", then after another "little while" the action was customised, then the stock (after a little while) then just about every other piece. By the time he finished telling us about it, one of the lads had to ask, "you must have the original rifle at home so". Not very kind but funny as hell.

José Alaninho

bunny shooter wrote: »

I had one (10/22) many years ago, standard, shot LOTS of bunnies with it, never let me down

Amen to that, quite the accurate little gun. Won't put ten shots in one hole :rolleyes: but will put plenty in Mr. Bunny's head given the shooter has the requisite skill.

It wasn't me!

José Alaninho wrote: »

Amen to that, quite the accurate little gun. Won't put ten shots in one hole :rolleyes: but will put plenty in Mr. Bunny's head given the shooter has the requisite skill.

I wouldn't call it accurate, not any I've used. A rather nice looking jazzed up one wouldn't do better than an inch and a half at 25 yards. Pretty poor altogether. Doesn't look like it'd do ten shots into one hole at ten yards. So it remains to be asked, you call it accurate, but if all you're looking to do is hold minute of bunny head, then are you really looking for any sort of accuracy?