Irish Youngsters being discremiated agianst?

JONJO THE MISER

Just looking at the new social welfare rates and it appears to me that Irish people under 25 are being discreminated against. Was just on the phone to back home and my brother is 23 and at the moment unemployed as are many people his age since the collapse of the building industry in my locality, the general consenus seems to be that if your Irish born and bred and under 24 you get treated like dirt by the goverment and they want you to imigrate but if your a non Irish national who has lived here for just 2 years you get full benefits, i think this is going to add a lot of anger and resentment towards non nationals by those people affected by the cuts and i dont believe its right either that Irish people born and bred here get treated worse than people who have no connection with the place, surely something has to be done and someone has to take a challenge to the lawful extint of this, there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

brummytom

Have sentences been rationed in Ireland?

Kradock

brummytom wrote: »

Have sentences been rationed in Ireland?

Not if you haven't a dog license

inforfun

Can i make a suggestion? Use a speltjekker.

Fulton Crown

Piece of advice pal...learn some proper punctuation and spelling....your "fellow boardsies" might be more of a mind to reply.

OK ?

population

So let me get this straight

Times are hard, lets blame foreigners

Zzippy

brummytom wrote: »

Have sentences been rationed in Ireland?

No, but the government introduced a tax on full stops in the Budget...

Oops - I meant ,,,

AnonoBoy

Do non-nationals of the same age not have to take the same cut?

Then fair balls.


Are you suggesting that they just cut back the dole for people who weren't born in Ireland? Yeah. That's fair.

Where's the shake the head slowly emoticon?

efb

4 letters PRSI, age shouldn't be a factor

cson

What's this about a tax on dis-Cremation?

I suppose the undertaking industry must take a hit too in these tough times.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

pfft, what have young people ever done for us?

population

yes they do

but its no wonder people are leaning towards the far right eh eh???

anybody???

Damn now Im going to have to take a look at myself rather than blame others. Life lessons are hard.......

Tech3

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Jsurely something has to be done

He could go and get a job?

jackthekipper

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Do non-nationals of the same age not have to take the same cut?

Then fair balls.


Are you suggesting that they just cut back the dole for people who weren't born in Ireland? Yeah. That's fair.

Where's the shake the head slowly emoticon?

Evidence might be misleading you see.

LizT

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Just looking at the new social welfare rates and it appears to me that Irish people under 25 are being discreminated against. Was just on the phone to back home and my brother is 23 and at the moment unemployed as are many people his age since the collapse of the building industry in my locality, the general consenus seems to be that if your Irish born and bred and under 24 you get treated like dirt by the goverment and they want you to imigrate but if your a non Irish national who has lived here for just 2 years you get full benefits, i think this is going to add a lot of anger and resentment towards non nationals by those people affected by the cuts and i dont believe its right either that Irish people born and bred here get treated worse than people who have no connection with the place, surely something has to be done and someone has to take a challenge to the lawful extint of this, there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

I'd like to introduce you to something. It's called a full stop.

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electrogrimey

tl;dr

(In this case, long can be replaced by badly punctuated.)

Summary someone please? Blar blar budget type thing?

Pinkiss

poor irish youngsters have he tried to apply to mcDonalds for a job ? i guess not,explain this why most foreigners still have jobs when there are so many unemployed irish ?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Less of the grammar jibes lads, this isn't an exam.

Duggy747

As for this whole hub-bob on the social, get over it! We needed the cut and a huge percentage of the younger crowd (18-20) are living at home with their parents and many I know have no intentions of getting a job or doing a course. What the hell do they need €204 a week for, rent? Food? ESB? Oil?

My dole got cut down to €102 cuz I'm being switched over to JS Allowance (fùck knows when I'll get the full amount again) and I'm up to my scalp in bills but even I'm managing to survive for the moment by cutting some luxuries (€10 for 8 cans of Bravria FTW :pac:).

It maybe cùntish but the whipper-snappers will cope. I'm sick of hearing some of the younger crowd making out they lost their basic human rights, read a goddamn newspaper besides the tabloids!

jackthekipper

On a serious note I wouldn't be surprised if the hope is for young people to emigrate.

Morlar

jackthekipper wrote: »

On a serious note I wouldn't be surprised if the hope is for young people to emigrate.

Is that not the point of the first post? Does anyone (who is not a grammar nazi) know is it actually true that non nationals in any way get more by way of benefits that Irish born ?

jackthekipper

Morlar wrote: »

Is that not the point of the first post? Does anyone (who is not a grammar nazi) know is it actually true that non nationals in any way get more by way of benefits that Irish born ?

If the OP makes a claim it is up to him to back it up, can't see it being true.

Saltour Sossiez

Pinkiss wrote: »

poor irish youngsters have he tried to apply to mcDonalds for a job ? i guess not,explain this why most foreigners still have jobs when there are so many unemployed irish ?

Eastern Europeans are the ideal people to employ. Determined, hard-working and you can pay them less than you would an Irish person. It's quite simple really.

Lola Uneven Rudder wrote: »

Less of the grammar jibes lads, this isn't an exam.

hear hear

Foxhound38

Shur doesnt the Government give them free Porshes and Mansions when they get off the plane at the Airport? :pac:

Morlar

jackthekipper wrote: »

If the OP makes a claim it is up to him to back it up, can't see it being true.

Considering the amount of spelling critics we have I figured someone must have an actual answer.

Lab_Mouse

Lola Uneven Rudder wrote: »

this isn't an exam.

Well he didnt sit the last one either:D

Mal-Adjusted

while there is a bit of truth in what you're saying, the facts are that young people can handle being unemployed better than someone in their mid-forties. the young person has (most likely) no mortgage, cheap-ass car, no family to support and can move back in with their folks. the middle aged unemployed has a bigger chance of having a string of debts (hell, that's how we got into recession, isn't it;))
Having said that, the government's core support is in elderly people so UP-YOURS young unemployed graduates!:mad: They will also always tend to screw over the Irish person in favor of non-nationals to appear more multicultural and non-racist.

...in short, i can see where you're coming from

Mike 1972

Duggy747 wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing some of the younger crowd making out they lost their basic human rights, read a goddamn newspaper besides the tabloids!

Do you realise how much newspapers cost in Ireland. Theyve just had their dole halved remember............

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

the young person has (most likely) no mortgage, cheap-ass car, no family to support and can move back in with their folks. the middle aged unemployed has a bigger chance of having a string of debts

A lot of assumptions and generalisations there.............

johnathan woss

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Just looking at the new social welfare rates and it appears to me that Irish people under 25 are being discreminated against. Was just on the phone to back home and my brother is 23 and at the moment unemployed as are many people his age since the collapse of the building industry in my locality, the general consenus seems to be that if your Irish born and bred and under 24 you get treated like dirt by the goverment and they want you to imigrate but if your a non Irish national who has lived here for just 2 years you get full benefits, i think this is going to add a lot of anger and resentment towards non nationals by those people affected by the cuts and i dont believe its right either that Irish people born and bred here get treated worse than people who have no connection with the place, surely something has to be done and someone has to take a challenge to the lawful extint of this, there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

Wasn't this debunked on boards awhile ago ?

If you've worked anywhere in the EU for two years you can claim full benefits here as far as I remember.
Apparently other governments foot some of the bill but I cannot fathom how that would work in practice.

Can anyone clarify ?

jaffa20

I think it's unfair that somone who is 23 will get 150 but someone who is 22 will get 100euro. How did they work that out? Also, it's stupd that people already on the dole and under 24 will remain on the same amount but those who lose their job and apply from january will be possiblly getting up to half that amount.:eek: It's fair to say that fianna fail want the young uns to piss off out of ireland. The oldies are sure to keep fianna fail in when the next election comes around.

CrazyRabbit

Lola Uneven Rudder wrote: »

Less of the grammar jibes lads, this isn't an exam.

Is it wrong to expect a person to at least have the grammatically skills and spelling ability of a 10 year old child before making a post?

As for the nature of the budget cuts, discrimination is hardly something new in our society.

Gay couples lack the same tax status as hetero couples
Single Mothers vs married couples.
Over 50's/60's not hired purely due to age.
...the list goes on.

jackthekipper

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

while there is a bit of truth in what you're saying, the facts are that young people can handle being unemployed better than someone in their mid-forties. the young person has (most likely) no mortgage, cheap-ass car, no family to support and can move back in with their folks. the middle aged unemployed has a bigger chance of having a string of debts (hell, that's how we got into recession, isn't it;))
Having said that, the government's core support is in elderly people so UP-YOURS young unemployed graduates!:mad: They will also always tend to screw over the Irish person in favor of non-nationals to appear more multicultural and non-racist.

...in short, i can see where you're coming from

Evidently, seriously the failure for Ireland to accept responsibilty for this mess will delay any recovery. Politicians blaming Lemans, European banks; and and the public sector and furriners.

Seanohea

Non nationals that get unemployment benefit do so after working and contributing to irish society, just like any other irish person.
The fact that theyre not irish shouldnt be an issue. When they have contributed to the economy, paid their taxes and have credits available to get jobseekers benefit there should be no problem with them getting jobseekers benefit.
They deserve it far mor than a lot of young people under 24 who have yet to have a proper job, pay taxes and contribute meaningfully to the economy.
Young people, not in college and on the lower jobseekers assistance should try and get registered with fas and do a course, you'll get the full payment of 196 euro in the new year then.

PCPhoto

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont and it seems that you are upset over the fact that the U25 Dole money is cut...best of my knowledge its cut for EVERYONE....but the non nationals (seeking refuge in this country) will still get benefits.

the use of non-national in this case indicates a person who is seeking refugee status (ie. the feckers living in Mosney)

Anyway - there are loads of benefits that are available to the Irish public - however these are usually only known by those who use and sometimes abuse the system (ie. some members of the long term unemployed...or other scroungers on the system).

in relation to yer brother - is he actively looking for work or more to the point is he qualified and seeking employment in his area of expertise ....is he seeking work which he may not even be qualified for.... or is he happy to earn the same level of pay and do nothing.

majority of people on the dole do eventually get comfortable with the "free" €204 for not working - so why should they try find work which will only give them €100-200 more per week ..... for working 40hours....personally I think it can possibly incentivise the young people to be more creative and start looking for jobs more actively.... the new drop will mean that its more appealing to get a job.

PCPhoto

jackthekipper wrote: »

Evidently, seriously the failure for Ireland to accept responsibilty for this mess will delay any recovery. Politicians blaming Lemans, European banks; and and the public sector and furriners.

definately one of the truest posts....

not trying to have a go at the public sector but isnt that usually the norm, miscommunication between departments and blaming someone else instead of taking responsibility and trying to repair the damage and rebuild for the future.

The Government (Politicians) has the blinkers on and seems to want to blame everyone else except themselves.

Mmcd

cson wrote: »

What's this about a tax on dis-Cremation?

I suppose the undertaking industry must take a hit too in these tough times.

Discremation?
Thought that it was irreversible!

johnathan woss

Seanohea wrote: »

Non nationals that get unemployment benefit do so after working and contributing to irish society, just like any other irish person. The fact that theyre not irish shouldnt be an issue. When they have contributed to the economy, paid their taxes and have credits available to get jobseekers benefit there should be no problem with them getting jobseekers benefit.
They deserve it far mor than a lot of young people under 24 who have yet to have a proper job, pay taxes and contribute meaningfully to the economy.
Young people, not in college and on the lower jobseekers assistance should try and get registered with fas and do a course, you'll get the full payment of 196 euro in the new year then.

Can you categorically state that as a fact ?
Did you not read my post ?

As far as I remember it was clarified in the politics section awhile ago that anybody who has worked for 2 years anywhere in the EU can claim benefits here.

PCPhoto

Mmcd wrote: »

Discremation?
Thought that it was irreversible!

once you go black (ashes) you never go back !!

(Its After Hours !!! ...not intended as a racist jibe)

Bandit12

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Just looking at the new social welfare rates and it appears to me that Irish people under 25 are being discreminated against. Was just on the phone to back home and my brother is 23 and at the moment unemployed as are many people his age since the collapse of the building industry in my locality, the general consenus seems to be that if your Irish born and bred and under 24 you get treated like dirt by the goverment and they want you to imigrate but if your a non Irish national who has lived here for just 2 years you get full benefits, i think this is going to add a lot of anger and resentment towards non nationals by those people affected by the cuts and i dont believe its right either that Irish people born and bred here get treated worse than people who have no connection with the place, surely something has to be done and someone has to take a challenge to the lawful extint of this, there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

Good post friend. In my opinion FF have put a plan of action to force young Irish people out of the country to look for work. Nothing else can explain yesterday's events.

Kevin Bacon

jaffa20 wrote: »

I think it's unfair that somone who is 23 will get 150 but someone who is 22 will get 100euro. How did they work that out? Also, it's stupd that people already on the dole and under 24 will remain on the same amount but those who lose their job and apply from january will be possiblly getting up to half that amount.:eek: It's fair to say that fianna fail want the young uns to piss off out of ireland. The oldies are sure to keep fianna fail in when the next election comes around.

Source on this jaffa by any chance?

jaffa20

Kevin Bacon wrote: »

Source on this jaffa by any chance?

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/budget2010/speech/adjustments_in_social_welfare.html

"- for new applicants, the rate of Job-seekers Allowance and Supplementary Welfare Allowance for persons aged 20 and 21 years of age who have no dependent children is being reduced to €100 per week and for those aged between 22 and 24 to €150 per week; and
- for all other cases, the rate will be reduced to €150 per week where job offers or activation measures have been refused."

So those currently under 24 will only receive a 4% cut unless they are refusing jobs. The new rates only apply to new applicants. Why?

Kevin Bacon

Hmm seen that similar line in the Irish Times but i'm not entirely convinced that just because I applied for job seekers allowance earlier i get more money. Wait and hope I suppose...

Although turning down jobs causing a reduction is pretty novel and I would agree with that but then again €150 is feck all really couldn't make ends meet with that amount if I was stuck with that.

IB well just get a job ya bum

sold

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

OK!! let get something straight, if a F.N. has working in Ireland and paid his PRSI and was made redundant he/she is totally within their rights to have the dole (like and Irishman can in England/France/Germany) But an 18 yo who leaves secondary school and "can't" work and has never pay any contribution to social system should not be allowed claim. Your argument sickens me. During the boom years I could not find an Irish Person to work in my shop (I paid 11 euros an hour) I could only get Latvians or Lithuanians. Now the boom are gone and the Irish have woken up. Young people need to wake up and look for work, it won't be handed on a plate.

I have never ever claimed social welfare. I do think its good to have it if I ever lost my business. But I don't think that a kid out of school should get 200 euros a week.

Nodin

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont

Such as?

(And be warned, there is no such thing as a free car, so mentioning the myth will earn you much mockery)

b12mearse

foreign nationals on the doel should piss off out of ireland.
shame on the government!

laugh

OP, good artlicle here on the topic: Linky

MickBeth

Are you still goning to be a twat in the morning?

hooradiation

b12mearse wrote: »

foreign nationals on the doel should piss off out of ireland.
shame on the government!

Yeah!
How dare they give foreign people who've contributed to the country what they're due.

Totally shameful.

smk89

Pinkiss wrote: »

poor irish youngsters have he tried to apply to mcDonalds for a job ? i guess not,explain this why most foreigners still have jobs when there are so many unemployed irish ?

Not true I've tried to get a job for the past year and no joy. Probably mostly because I'm a student but even Mc Donalds wont hire me!

4zn76tysfajdxp

MickBeth wrote: »

Are you still goning to be a twat in the morning?

Banned.

phic

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont and it seems that you are upset over the fact that the U25 Dole money is cut...best of my knowledge its cut for EVERYONE....but the non nationals (seeking refuge in this country) will still get benefits.

the use of non-national in this case indicates a person who is seeking refugee status (ie. the feckers living in Mosney)

An example of all the "benefits" they get please? the asylum seekers living in mosney get three meals a day, a roof over their heads and €19.10 per week per adult. They are not entitled to dole or any other benefits. Try giving that to the under 25s and see how they feel.