Irish Youngsters being discremiated agianst?

jackthekipper · 10-12-2009 08:08PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

while there is a bit of truth in what you're saying, the facts are that young people can handle being unemployed better than someone in their mid-forties. the young person has (most likely) no mortgage, cheap-ass car, no family to support and can move back in with their folks. the middle aged unemployed has a bigger chance of having a string of debts (hell, that's how we got into recession, isn't it;))
Having said that, the government's core support is in elderly people so UP-YOURS young unemployed graduates!:mad: They will also always tend to screw over the Irish person in favor of non-nationals to appear more multicultural and non-racist.

...in short, i can see where you're coming from

Evidently, seriously the failure for Ireland to accept responsibilty for this mess will delay any recovery. Politicians blaming Lemans, European banks; and and the public sector and furriners.

Seanohea · 10-12-2009 08:10PM

Non nationals that get unemployment benefit do so after working and contributing to irish society, just like any other irish person.
The fact that theyre not irish shouldnt be an issue. When they have contributed to the economy, paid their taxes and have credits available to get jobseekers benefit there should be no problem with them getting jobseekers benefit.
They deserve it far mor than a lot of young people under 24 who have yet to have a proper job, pay taxes and contribute meaningfully to the economy.
Young people, not in college and on the lower jobseekers assistance should try and get registered with fas and do a course, you'll get the full payment of 196 euro in the new year then.

PCPhoto · 10-12-2009 08:11PM

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont and it seems that you are upset over the fact that the U25 Dole money is cut...best of my knowledge its cut for EVERYONE....but the non nationals (seeking refuge in this country) will still get benefits.

the use of non-national in this case indicates a person who is seeking refugee status (ie. the feckers living in Mosney)

Anyway - there are loads of benefits that are available to the Irish public - however these are usually only known by those who use and sometimes abuse the system (ie. some members of the long term unemployed...or other scroungers on the system).

in relation to yer brother - is he actively looking for work or more to the point is he qualified and seeking employment in his area of expertise ....is he seeking work which he may not even be qualified for.... or is he happy to earn the same level of pay and do nothing.

majority of people on the dole do eventually get comfortable with the "free" €204 for not working - so why should they try find work which will only give them €100-200 more per week ..... for working 40hours....personally I think it can possibly incentivise the young people to be more creative and start looking for jobs more actively.... the new drop will mean that its more appealing to get a job.

PCPhoto · 10-12-2009 08:14PM

jackthekipper wrote: »

Evidently, seriously the failure for Ireland to accept responsibilty for this mess will delay any recovery. Politicians blaming Lemans, European banks; and and the public sector and furriners.

definately one of the truest posts....

not trying to have a go at the public sector but isnt that usually the norm, miscommunication between departments and blaming someone else instead of taking responsibility and trying to repair the damage and rebuild for the future.

The Government (Politicians) has the blinkers on and seems to want to blame everyone else except themselves.

Mmcd · 10-12-2009 08:16PM

cson wrote: »

What's this about a tax on dis-Cremation?

I suppose the undertaking industry must take a hit too in these tough times.

Discremation?
Thought that it was irreversible!

johnathan woss · 10-12-2009 08:18PM

Seanohea wrote: »

Non nationals that get unemployment benefit do so after working and contributing to irish society, just like any other irish person. The fact that theyre not irish shouldnt be an issue. When they have contributed to the economy, paid their taxes and have credits available to get jobseekers benefit there should be no problem with them getting jobseekers benefit.
They deserve it far mor than a lot of young people under 24 who have yet to have a proper job, pay taxes and contribute meaningfully to the economy.
Young people, not in college and on the lower jobseekers assistance should try and get registered with fas and do a course, you'll get the full payment of 196 euro in the new year then.

Can you categorically state that as a fact ?
Did you not read my post ?

As far as I remember it was clarified in the politics section awhile ago that anybody who has worked for 2 years anywhere in the EU can claim benefits here.

PCPhoto · 10-12-2009 08:20PM

Mmcd wrote: »

Discremation?
Thought that it was irreversible!

once you go black (ashes) you never go back !!

(Its After Hours !!! ...not intended as a racist jibe)

Bandit12 · 10-12-2009 08:24PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Just looking at the new social welfare rates and it appears to me that Irish people under 25 are being discreminated against. Was just on the phone to back home and my brother is 23 and at the moment unemployed as are many people his age since the collapse of the building industry in my locality, the general consenus seems to be that if your Irish born and bred and under 24 you get treated like dirt by the goverment and they want you to imigrate but if your a non Irish national who has lived here for just 2 years you get full benefits, i think this is going to add a lot of anger and resentment towards non nationals by those people affected by the cuts and i dont believe its right either that Irish people born and bred here get treated worse than people who have no connection with the place, surely something has to be done and someone has to take a challenge to the lawful extint of this, there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

Good post friend. In my opinion FF have put a plan of action to force young Irish people out of the country to look for work. Nothing else can explain yesterday's events.

Kevin Bacon · 10-12-2009 08:24PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

I think it's unfair that somone who is 23 will get 150 but someone who is 22 will get 100euro. How did they work that out? Also, it's stupd that people already on the dole and under 24 will remain on the same amount but those who lose their job and apply from january will be possiblly getting up to half that amount.:eek: It's fair to say that fianna fail want the young uns to piss off out of ireland. The oldies are sure to keep fianna fail in when the next election comes around.

Source on this jaffa by any chance?

jaffa20 · 10-12-2009 08:35PM

Kevin Bacon wrote: »

Source on this jaffa by any chance?

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/budget2010/speech/adjustments_in_social_welfare.html

"- for new applicants, the rate of Job-seekers Allowance and Supplementary Welfare Allowance for persons aged 20 and 21 years of age who have no dependent children is being reduced to €100 per week and for those aged between 22 and 24 to €150 per week; and
- for all other cases, the rate will be reduced to €150 per week where job offers or activation measures have been refused."

So those currently under 24 will only receive a 4% cut unless they are refusing jobs. The new rates only apply to new applicants. Why?

Kevin Bacon · 10-12-2009 08:41PM

Hmm seen that similar line in the Irish Times but i'm not entirely convinced that just because I applied for job seekers allowance earlier i get more money. Wait and hope I suppose...

Although turning down jobs causing a reduction is pretty novel and I would agree with that but then again €150 is feck all really couldn't make ends meet with that amount if I was stuck with that.

IB well just get a job ya bum

sold · 10-12-2009 08:52PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

there is no way that a Irish citizen should be getting lower social wlefare just because of there age while at the same time non irish nationals cn claim full benifits after 2 years living here:mad: its plain crazy and you would find this in no other country where a citizen of the country is treated less than a non citizen, no wonder people are leaning towards the far right across europle with these policies, what say my fellow boardsies?

OK!! let get something straight, if a F.N. has working in Ireland and paid his PRSI and was made redundant he/she is totally within their rights to have the dole (like and Irishman can in England/France/Germany) But an 18 yo who leaves secondary school and "can't" work and has never pay any contribution to social system should not be allowed claim. Your argument sickens me. During the boom years I could not find an Irish Person to work in my shop (I paid 11 euros an hour) I could only get Latvians or Lithuanians. Now the boom are gone and the Irish have woken up. Young people need to wake up and look for work, it won't be handed on a plate.

I have never ever claimed social welfare. I do think its good to have it if I ever lost my business. But I don't think that a kid out of school should get 200 euros a week.

Nodin · 10-12-2009 08:53PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont

Such as?

(And be warned, there is no such thing as a free car, so mentioning the myth will earn you much mockery)

b12mearse · 10-12-2009 09:01PM

foreign nationals on the doel should piss off out of ireland.
shame on the government!

laugh · 10-12-2009 09:21PM

OP, good artlicle here on the topic: Linky

MickBeth · 10-12-2009 09:27PM

Are you still goning to be a twat in the morning?

hooradiation · 10-12-2009 09:29PM

b12mearse wrote: »

foreign nationals on the doel should piss off out of ireland.
shame on the government!

Yeah!
How dare they give foreign people who've contributed to the country what they're due.

Totally shameful.

smk89 · 10-12-2009 09:34PM

Pinkiss wrote: »

poor irish youngsters have he tried to apply to mcDonalds for a job ? i guess not,explain this why most foreigners still have jobs when there are so many unemployed irish ?

Not true I've tried to get a job for the past year and no joy. Probably mostly because I'm a student but even Mc Donalds wont hire me!

4zn76tysfajdxp · 10-12-2009 09:34PM

MickBeth wrote: »

Are you still goning to be a twat in the morning?

Banned.

phic · 10-12-2009 09:45PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP

for one thing - non nationals get loads of benefits which "Irish nationals" dont and it seems that you are upset over the fact that the U25 Dole money is cut...best of my knowledge its cut for EVERYONE....but the non nationals (seeking refuge in this country) will still get benefits.

the use of non-national in this case indicates a person who is seeking refugee status (ie. the feckers living in Mosney)

An example of all the "benefits" they get please? the asylum seekers living in mosney get three meals a day, a roof over their heads and €19.10 per week per adult. They are not entitled to dole or any other benefits. Try giving that to the under 25s and see how they feel.

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El Weirdo · 10-12-2009 09:51PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

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Link fail.;)

Duggy747 · 10-12-2009 09:53PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

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Ha ha, just noticed it. I'm a lazy fùck when it comes to renaming everything in PS, it does it for me :pac:

ilovelamp2000 · 10-12-2009 09:57PM

Seanohea wrote: »

Non nationals that get unemployment benefit do so after working and contributing to irish society, just like any other irish person.
The fact that theyre not irish shouldnt be an issue. When they have contributed to the economy, paid their taxes and have credits available to get jobseekers benefit there should be no problem with them getting jobseekers benefit.
They deserve it far mor than a lot of young people under 24 who have yet to have a proper job, pay taxes and contribute meaningfully to the economy.
Young people, not in college and on the lower jobseekers assistance should try and get registered with fas and do a course, you'll get the full payment of 196 euro in the new year then.

That's not strictly true.

Refugees can claim from the time their status is granted, without ever having worked.

In that instance the OP has a point, but that's about it.

TheCardHolder · 10-12-2009 10:06PM

Zzippy wrote: »

No, but the government introduced a tax on full stops in the Budget...

Oops - I meant ,,,

Why are ellipsis's taxed too?

stovelid · 10-12-2009 10:06PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Is it wrong to expect a person to at least have the grammatically skills and spelling ability of a 10 year old child before making a post?

Sweet lantern Jesus.

It may or not be wrong, but it's rude. Rude to point out and rude to assume that everybody has the same writing proficiency.

Just ignore the post if it really irritates you.

marco_polo · 10-12-2009 10:25PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

That's not strictly true.

Refugees can claim from the time their status is granted, without ever having worked.

In that instance the OP has a point, but that's about it.

Once granted they would probably qualify for the means tested Jobseekers Allowance if they fufil the Habitual residence conditions.

Jobseekers Benefit works off contributions earned, so any EU citizen coming here must have gained enough credits elsewhere in the EU, and your last contribution must have been in Ireland.

PFJSplitter · 10-12-2009 10:26PM

discremiated?

That's the dangerous animal with sharp horns?

ilovelamp2000 · 10-12-2009 10:33PM

marco_polo wrote: »

Once granted they would probably qualify for the means tested Jobseekers Allowance if they fufil the Habitual residence conditions.

Jobseekers Benefit works off contributions earned, so any EU citizen coming here must have gained enough credits elsewhere in the EU, and your last contribution must have been in Ireland.

And the maximum payment is €204.30 for Jobseekers Allowance (before this budget kicks into effect) so the in that instance some people who have contributed nothing to the country can claim more than young Irish people who may have contributed something.

Bandit12 · 10-12-2009 10:35PM

Pinkiss wrote: »

poor irish youngsters have he tried to apply to mcDonalds for a job ? i guess not,explain this why most foreigners still have jobs when there are so many unemployed irish ?

Totally untrue. In and around 10% of the population are foreigners, whilst 28% of those on the dole are foreigners.

Irish Youngsters being discremiated agianst?

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