Anyone else still holding out?

Hellm0

Just wondering if I am now in the minority of people who actually meant it when they said they would boycott this insult to gaming.

Anyone else?

Kinetic^

srumball wrote: »

suck a lemon douchebag!!

1 week ban.

Hellm0

*quietly weeps as bobby kotick swims in his new Olympic sized swimming pool filled with cash*

Onearmedbandit

In fairness mate I think you are totally wrong. Most crap that we get nowadays is sub standard gaming experience. At least IW have made a good effort to deliver a game that in my opinion is one of the best of the year so far.

I don't see where the "insult to gaming occurs" care to explain?

Kiith

I still dont have it...although i have been working nights for the last two days.

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

I don't see where the "insult to gaming occurs" care to explain?

I'm assuming he meant as an insult to pc gamers. There's plenty of threads about why pc users are pissed off, even if it turns out that its not as bad as we had feared.

Dcully

Insult to gaming?
The game is fantastic, what are you on about?

phlegms

No, I pretty much caved instantly..soz lol.

Retr0gamer

Getting my 360 version for free but it means I have to wait a week or two. And no I'm not pirating. Loves having industry contacts. Means I can enjoy the game and stick it to Activision

Hellm0

Kiith wrote: »

I still dont have it...although i have been working nights for the last two days.

I'm assuming he meant as an insult to pc gamers. There's plenty of threads about why pc users are pissed off, even if it turns out that its not as bad as we had feared.

Dcully wrote: »

Insult to gaming?
The game is fantastic, what are you on about?

Let me just clarify; I consider consoles an aberration, therefore when I refer to "gaming"(in the context of electronic games), I am referring to the PC gaming experience.

Onearmedbandit

Even if you do take into account all things that have been scrapped from the PC version IW have still delivered an gaming experience that is a cut above its competitors. The OP's statement that it is a insult to gaming is just wrong and on the trolling side of annoying.

Hellm0

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

Even if you do take into account all things that have been scrapped from the PC version IW have still delivered an gaming experience that is a cut above its competitors. The OP's statement that it is a insult to gaming is just wrong and on the trolling side of annoying.

Call me a purist but I do not think of reducing functionality as adding anything to the mix.

If you find my opinions annoying then don't read em.

Steffano2002

I'm with you Hellm0. Not buying this game, ever. Activision and IW won't see another penny from me. I'm not a sell-out who's going to buy that game and have multi-billion dollar corporations think it's perfectly fine to back-stab their customers.

Bhoy_

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

Even if you do take into account all things that have been scrapped from the PC version IW have still delivered an gaming experience that is a cut above its competitors. The OP's statement that it is a insult to gaming is just wrong and on the trolling side of annoying.

I just wanted to correct your obvious ignorance. The thing that distinguishes PC gaming and makes it different and arguably better is it's online play. Mod'ing, dedicated servers, a stronger clan community and larger than life TDM. Each of those have been thrown in the bin by IW. No mod'ing tools, no more dedicated servers..to be replaced by, in my opinion (and many others), a far inferior "host" system, no dedicated servers means a lesser clan based gamer experience and only eighteen players...well thats linked into the "host" system.

Apparently they will deter cheats. That's been a problem on almost every online PC game to date. If IW have answer with their new system, I will eat my hair. It's totally absurd and disillusioned if they think they can crack it. Not possible in my opinion.

The reasoning behind these terrible business decisions? I haven't really got a definite answer...it could be for money? This new system will force PC gamers to buy DLC's, unlike before. It could also be laziness? Feels that the PC version is a direct port from the console versions.

I will leave you with these two links:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4069/mw2b.jpg
http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/battlefield_bad_company/archive/2009/11/03/a-thank-you-to-eddie-j-fan-kit-v-2.aspx

I for one will not buy this. I'll get my booty somewhere else, matey.

Hellm0

Bhoy_ wrote: »

The reasoning behind these terrible business decisions? I haven't really got a definite answer...it could be for money? This new system will force PC gamers to buy DLC's, unlike before. It could also be laziness? Feels that the PC version is a direct port from the console versions.

Thank this @sshat

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/actiblizzard-ceo-kotick-policy-rewards-profits-removes-fun.ars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick

Dinner

Not even tempted. As soon as details of the PC version started coming out any interest in the game disappeared.

Bhoy_

Hellm0 wrote: »

Thank this @sshat

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/actiblizzard-ceo-kotick-policy-rewards-profits-removes-fun.ars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick

Oh, completely forgot about that fool. It was his fault Acti/Blizz dropped Brutal Legend.

PogMoThoin

I'm not buying it, ever, even if they release a dedi server in the future. They've really pissed me off as a pc gamer, losing the q and e lean, limiting configs, making it a console game. Fcuk right off Infinity Ward with Your greedy tactics. I'll be playing the sp in spite tomorrow but I'll not be buying it for the mp like I did the last.

Spastafarian

Hellm0 wrote: »

Just wondering if I am now in the minority of people who actually meant it when they said they would boycott this insult to gaming.

Anyone else?

As a PC gamer you were already in the minority. You're lucky to get any version of the game at all. I wouldn't hold my breath for MW3 to come to the PC.

Hellm0

Spastafarian wrote: »

As a PC gamer you were already in the minority. You're lucky to get any version of the game at all. I wouldn't hold my breath for MW3 to come to the PC.

Insightful and on topic, thanks for the input.

Bhoy_

Spastafarian wrote: »

As a PC gamer you were already in the minority. You're lucky to get any version of the game at all. I wouldn't hold my breath for MW3 to come to the PC.

Can't see that happen. More platforms means more mooylah, sadly Activisions only thought.

humanji

Considering the amount of personal abuse, the constant complaints, the boycotting, the bad publicity in general, why in the name of god would they bother making MW3 for PC? They won't be making that much money, especially compareed to what they'll take in for consoles. It's not worth their while.

Fair play to anyone who stuck to their guns, though. Personally I think it's pointless (IW and Activision will make their money regardless), but I expected everyone to cave. Pity people can't have this conviction in politics.

Spastafarian

Bhoy_ wrote: »

Can't see that happen. More platforms means more mooylah, sadly Activisions only thought.

Of course it is, money is all any company wants. But at least this company puts out high quality products, which is more than I can say for most. If the PC version isn't making enough money to warrant its development they won't make it any more, and they won't think twice about it. It doesn't matter how loyal PC gamers are or that Call of Duty started off on the PC, they have a new and much larger consumer base now. And seeing as how PC games are in steep decline I can't see them continuing to make them much longer.

And I'm saying this as a former PC gamer. I just got sick of having to pay a fortune for upgrades when I could just pay €200 for an Xbox and not worry about it for the next 3 or 4 years.

Steffano2002

Spastafarian wrote: »

As a PC gamer you were already in the minority. You're lucky to get any version of the game at all. I wouldn't hold my breath for MW3 to come to the PC.

Yet it's thanks to that "minority" that Call of Duty is what it is today... :rolleyes:

funkyjebus

Hellm0 wrote: »

Let me just clarify; I consider consoles an aberration, therefore when I refer to "gaming"(in the context of electronic games), I am referring to the PC gaming experience.

Thats just silly and quite clearly confusing to people.

Spastafarian

Steffano2002 wrote: »

Yet it's thanks to that "minority" that Call of Duty is what it is today... :rolleyes:

So?? It's thanks to arcade machines that computer games are what they are today, but they've been forgotten about too. Because they don't make money any more. Things move on, they aren't gonna bow down to PC gamers just because that's where they started. Would you if you were them?

joseph brand

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-DVD/dp/B0021AETOU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257954311&sr=1-1

Terrible ratings here??

I'm a Huuuuge COD4 online player. (Its gone off my steam account somehow, but that's besides the point).

I really want to play this on my Pc. Shocked to hear its basically only useful for consoles.

Maybe just carry on with Cod 4 multiplayer???

r3nu4l

Hellm0 wrote: »

Let me just clarify; I consider consoles an aberration, therefore when I refer to "gaming"(in the context of electronic games), I am referring to the PC gaming experience.

MOD NOTE: You may consider consoles an aberration but millions don't. Keep console bashing out of this thread and concentrate on why you didn't buy the game and to the topic of the thread you started. Read the charter. That goes for everyone else, console players included, no PC bashing either.

EDIT: Oh and by the way, I totally admire your stance on this! Good to see some people who said they wouldn't buy it actually stick to their guns (pardon the pun). Fair play to you

Hercule

said I wouldnt buy it and wont, learn2integrity

- nobody in my clan has bought it either, few saps got it for free tho!

Steffano2002

Spastafarian wrote: »

So?? It's thanks to arcade machines that computer games are what they are today, but they've been forgotten about too. Because they don't make money any more. Things move on, they aren't gonna bow down to PC gamers just because that's where they started. Would you if you were them?

Well I certainly wouldn't stab the customers who made me successful in the back!

fizzynicenice

Man I'm gettin sick of PC **** talking SHit about EVERY single game that comes out.
MW2 FTW

Steffano2002

fizzynicenice wrote: »

Man I'm gettin sick of PC **** talking SHit about EVERY single game that comes out.
MW2 FTW

Banned for a month. See ya now :rolleyes:

steevee

i've just given up

Steffano2002

steevee wrote: »

i've just given up

What do you mean? You went out and bought it?

wayne040576

I decided I wasn't buying this game a good while ago when Activision said they were going to charge an extra 10 quid because they could and knew people would pay it.

Before that, I had actually planned to get the pc version. I'm not a huge pc gamer other than strategy and exclusive fps games. Actually got cod4 on the 360. But I wanted to try this on the pc. Won't be now.

I was listening to that COD podcast bash. They seem to be putting all their hopes in treyarch now since they are still releasing pc updates for cod5 a year later.

wayne040576

Just as an aside to my last post. I think this is an Activision policy being implemented more than an IW one. Look at starcraft II. Blizzard have removed lan support from that implementing a similar system with the revamped Battle net. Same parent company.
I wonder if the law has been passed down to all their divisions telling them they have to implement the net code this way. They can implement it themselves, call it what they want but it has to have a particular feature set??

It will be interesting to see what happens with future titles from them.

cian1500ww

Up in college till Friday, game's been sitting at home waiting for me

Onearmedbandit

Bhoy_ wrote: »

I just wanted to correct your obvious ignorance.

My obvious ignorance? If you look at my posting history you will see I have previously posted on the topic. I am aware of the various items that were on COD4 that are not on the current version. My point is that even in the case of the PC version it does not make it a poor gaming experience.

I am sure that the game would be a better one with the previous functionality that COD 4 had and I admire your principles but I don't agree that it is an "insult to gaming" as you so put it.

weisses

I wanted to boycott it but caved in ..

IMO ... you must play the bloody game to form an opinion about how it feels how the matchmaking works etc etc .... and I'm not that negative i must say

It would totally kick ass if they manage to get dedi's back in

I' ve played fps sins the MoH hunt demo ..

I form an opinion on experience .....

Dinner

weisses wrote: »

IMO ... you must play the bloody game to form an opinion about how it feels how the matchmaking works etc etc .... and I'm not that negative i must say

I'm not paying 50 or 60 euro to form an opinion.

It was a masterstroke to not bother with a demo, since some people would pay money for an (apparently) short single player and the chance to form an opinion on multiplayer.

Steffano2002

€50/€60 blips for a 4-hour game with "limited" online potential... No thanks :rolleyes:

Onearmedbandit

Steffano2002 wrote: »

€50/€60 blips for a 4-hour game with "limited" online potential... No thanks :rolleyes:

Its a four hour game if you play on Regular and that is only single player.

There is also Spec ops mode which will take you longer than single player to complete and this can be done with a friend (I have done so and its brilliant plus its another 4 hours at least plus replay value).

Multiplayer with its noted deficiencies makes up for it and goes beyond in the new features (i.e. better killstreaks, perks, cusomisation, weapons, attachments, maps and settings).

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

Steffano2002

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

jonski

I decided after reading about the changes to MP that I would hold off buying it for a week or so and see what reports were coming back . I just read one there from Cherryghost saying that trying to get a MP game going with friends was a pain and tbh thats my main reason for buying any game . I will wait and read some more before making a final decision . I notice all but one of the guys on teamspeak have done the same so I am not missing out on anything yet .

Kinetic^

After Cherryghost's review yesterday I decided to pick it up for the PC. It went live a few hours ago but I was busy finishing off COD4 again. Will play it tomorrow evening or friday.

Chorcai

I was going to get this, but will wait untill its on sale, anyone seen the reviews on steam ? Shocking stuff.

http://apps.metacritic.com//games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=11201:8Zm3TSjjMpDg0hvGk6mXfw**

humanji

Chorcai wrote: »

I was going to get this, but will wait untill its on sale, anyone seen the reviews on steam ? Shocking stuff.

http://apps.metacritic.com//games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=11201:8Zm3TSjjMpDg0hvGk6mXfw**

In fairness, a lot of those reviews are from prissy little kids having a hissy fit because of the features the game doesn't have. They don't mention anythig the game does have. You could bet a large portion of them havn't even played it and just want to bash it.

The SP is excellent, but very short. The story is a bit of a mess, but that's in line with modern blockbuster movies, which the game is trying to emulate.

The MP is also pretty good if you're a casual gamer. I can see why clans and the like would hate it as they've f*ck all control and setting up clan matches must be a nightmare. But the game's aimed at a particlar market and hits its target.

Even though there are claims that the game was made idiot friendly in order to make more money from DLC and the like, I get the feeling that IW weren't trying to make this game compete with other MP games. There's loads of MP games coming out that will wipe the floor with the CoD games with regards to features and game content, so it seems to me that IW were simply making something with short term appeal that could also be used to test their MP software.

Dcully

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

Its a four hour game if you play on Regular and that is only single player.

There is also Spec ops mode which will take you longer than single player to complete and this can be done with a friend (I have done so and its brilliant plus its another 4 hours at least plus replay value).

Multiplayer with its noted deficiencies makes up for it and goes beyond in the new features (i.e. better killstreaks, perks, cusomisation, weapons, attachments, maps and settings).

All in all a quality game that you will be missing out on. Fair enough you are making a point but don't think for one second this isnt a great game, because in my opinion it is.

Fully agree,fair enough and fair play to you lads sticking to your guns if thats what you want to do but in all honesty your missing out in an amazing online fps.
While ive only being playing the 360 version i had a go of the pc version online lastnight in a friends house and just like the 360 version online was flawless.
Matchmaking is silky smooth and your ingame in seconds.
We had no issues grouping up and joining games with friends at all.
Ofcourse there are no dedi servers but in all fairness its the game i personally want these days more so than what dedi servers offer.
I mean i can play when i want with friends with silky smooth gameplay and not a hint of lag.
At the risk of being shot down i honestly think SOME pc gamers are overly reacting.
Im not saying you should buy MW2 but to label the game as crap is just pathetic.
Its a fantastic game and to me plays every bit as good as any dedicated server based fps.
Ofcourse i would prefer it we had dedi servers but we cant so make the best of it.
Once you get over that and you experience just how fast and smooth it is to get ingame you will wonder what all the fuss is about.
You have the ability to host your own private match, i did on release day and had 18 people in game and it was flawless on my 3mb eircom connection.

Again as ive said before i fully agree with people from clans and communities being vocal about their concerns as they have lost their community meeting point ie their dedicated server but for your average joe that wants a great online fps its a fantastic experience as it is.
The game itself is a massive step forward [something i didnt expect] the matchmaking is superb,i cant stress that enough.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but to brand MW2 crap without playing it is just mindless and blind ignorance.
Some people like to keep up their crusade to make them feel better and justify their decision not to buy the game.
To them i say dedicated servers are not included - end of.
In its place is a superb matchmaking service that is easily the best ive ever experienced.
Remember folks not every pc gamer lives and dies by clans and dedi servers.
While the matchmaking service is not what dedi fans want its the next best thing and a lot better than most people think.
Personally i just want to get online and enjoy the epic COD gameplay and frag people which is exactly what im doing you dont need dedi servers for this guys
PS: my opinions expressed above are based on multiplayer.
I will be buying the PC version aswell as the 2 i have for the 360 as ive friends playing on both formats.

Hercule

I get the feeling that IW weren't trying to make this game compete with other MP games. There's loads of MP games coming out that will wipe the floor with the CoD games with regards to features and game content, so it seems to me that IW were simply making something with short term appeal that could also be used to test their MP software.

Interesting point, CoD could never compete with the likes of the source games or even the BF series when it came to cusomisation/mods. It would prob cost more time and money then it was worth to IW to try expand on the customisation available in CoD4. Having said that IW (not activision) have shown that they are severely out of touch with the PC community

I see several people saying IWnet works fairly well, from my experience I disagree but w/e, I imagine I have higher expectations then the average PC gamer.

Of course the hosts are going to find the gameplay smooth - that is the issue with P2P in the first place. Played the game in neighbours house got 3 bars (pathetic graphical representation of ping tbh) - the game wont be visually laggy but you will be playing with a ping over 120. The game does a good job of masking the difference with forgiving hit-registration. Most casual users wont see a difference between this and what they are used to - I certainly did (and I am not trying to convince myself to justify my argument ).

I dont see why IW felt a customer like me is worth less then another - even if I am to ignore the dedi servers/console/modding tools mess. My expectations are still not met and i have followed the CoD series religiously since CoD1 - its annoying to have to skip a step in the CoD franchise but they obviously dont want my loyalty/money.

Ajfunky

Surely, if you think the game is gonna be bad/ is bad, you arent "Boycotting" the game. Thats a fairly self righteous if i do say so meself. There are thousands of games then that you are probably "boycotting" just cos they're a pile of crap.

IF however it is a good game, then you are jus losing out on having fun, and for the sake of activision losing a few dollars from a few thousand pc gamers (which they've already made back tenfold on consoles) is there much point?

So either dont buy a crap game and buy a better game, or a buy a good game and have fun. Its not boycotting in anyway.

funkyjebus

Hellm0 wrote: »

Anyone else stll holding out?

You mean anyone else still missing out because of a stupid reason?

No, I'm smart like that, I bought it and decided I didn't want to eat my hand to spite my arm.

humanji

funkyjebus wrote: »

You mean anyone else still missing out because of a stupid reason?

No, I'm smart like that, I bought it and decided I didn't want to eat my hand to spite my arm.

That's a bit overly harsh. I may not agree with them, but at least they're showing conviction. And if you wanted a game to play with a clan, why would you get a game that wasn't friendly to clan use?