Dutch gardener jailed

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Ha, poor guy, sure it was only a hobbie :P

Link

You do need an email to access the page, but basically a man of 53 was jailed for 3 years for growing weed in his garden. Some buchaile.

Metro, page two top left hand corner.

Agent Smith

Siena Careful Vellum wrote: »

Ha, poor guy, sure it was only a hobbie :P

Link

You do need an email to access the page, but basically a man of 53 was jailed for 3 years for growing weed in his garden. Some buchaile.

Metro, page two top left hand corner.

Its ok, i am that great...

Ulysses Gaze

While Rapists are getting 1 year and people committing GBH suspended sentences...



Lovely f!cking country.....

jaffa20

I think it's ridiculous. If it was for personal use, i don't see the problem. He wouldn't have got anything back home. 3 years is a bit much!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

jaffa20 wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous. If it was for personal use, i don't see the problem. He wouldn't have got anything back home. 3 years is a bit much!

Well, I know for a fact he sold it to at least one person

denhaagenite

LOL it's always happening here. Whoever said he would have got nothing at home is very much mistaken. Only last week a friend took pics of an apartment across the way from him being raided because they were growing it on the balcony! There are helicopters with heat sensors flying overhead sometimes, and I once found a load of leaves along the road when I was going to the tram.

OutlawPete

There's a hippy couple (Dutch I think also) who live three doors away and from my back window for the past few years I have witnessed some small horticultural ... eh ... shenanigans :cool:

Terry

jaffa20 wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous. If it was for personal use, i don't see the problem. He wouldn't have got anything back home. 3 years is a bit much!

He's not at home.
When in Rome...

Pat Sheen

[Tsk]..Growing your own cannabis is the riskiest way of getting hold of that particular "safer than alcohol or tobacco" drug. Everybody knows that. The black economy can't run on air. If you buy your cannabis in small quantities as and when you need it from your local dealer and you're unlucky enough to get caught because it's only a little bit the penalty will be small. So don't grow your own you'll go to jail and drug dealers have to eat too y'know.

AckwelFoley

I dont understand.

Ive never heard of an Irishman going to jail for growing shamrock

c0rk3r

Who gardens in their own bedroom ? Obviously this guy was taking the piss

Siena Careful Vellum wrote: »

Well, I know for a fact he sold it to at least one person

Drug dealer who deals drugs goes to jail

I don't see the problem

AnonoBoy

Terry wrote: »

He's not at home.
When in Rome...

He's Italian?

Robbo

If this is what a Dutch Gardener does, he deserves longer.

In before, "if we legalise weed we can cure cancer, fill the budget deficit and qualify for the world cu...oh wait....snooker's on...pass the Doritos".

walshb

You can't win with some. We give pissy sentences and folks are moaning, and we then hand down a fair and just sentence and folks think it's too much?

The guy is a criminal, was growing an illegal drug, was caught and jailed. Job ****ing well done!

ScumLord

c0rk3r wrote: »

Drug dealer who deals drugs goes to jail

I know a couple of lads you've dealt for years, been caught doing that, had fist fights with cops in the street and lots of fighting in general, been infront of a judge at least 3 times that I can remember and the last time they where finally sentenced to a week (well it was more than a week but that's what they served). Came out of prison dealing on the phone as they where walking out the door.

53 year DUTCH man grows a bit of weed in his back garden, for his own benefit and he gets 3 years??? That's not right, I seen the law let off old folks before I don't know why they picked on him.

Kipperhell

That is a crazy sentence but it does sound like he may have been able to plead guilty and get a lesser sentence. It also sounds like you should never p*ss off a judge when in front of him.

Robbo

ScumLord wrote: »

53 year DUTCH man grows a bit of weed in his back garden, for his own benefit and he gets 3 years??? That's not right, I seen the law let off old folks before I don't know why they picked on him.

I'd imagine the trial judge would have heard a little more about the case than 40 words from the venerable and impeccably well researched Metro.

Sheeps

Who is the victim of this crime?

walshb

Robbo, exactly what I was thinking. The report makes it out that all was easy going and rosy and all that. He's a drug dealer and I don't give a flying **** what sentences have been handed down in the past, it's high time we got serious on drug dealers in this country.

From here on in, no sympathy and no leniency for dealers. The bigger the haul, the more lethal the drug, and the more lengthy the sentence. That's my view.

walshb

Sheeps wrote: »

Who is the victim of this crime?

Who can say, all we know is that they got the "dealer" before he MIGHT have had a chance to snare a victim, or victims. Bit like a preemptive strike if you will

ScumLord

Sheeps wrote: »

Who is the victim of this crime?

The Dutch guy.

Robbo wrote: »

I'd imagine the trial judge would have heard a little more about the case than 40 words from the venerable and impeccably well researched Metro.

Unless he had a shed full of plants growing on a commercial scale then there's no reason to be so heavy handed. Even if it was commercial it's hard to say he should be locked up, at his age he could be supplying older people and people suffering from terminal conditions. There's no guarantee there was any other crime going on and if that's the case they had no reason to go so hard on him.

Pat Sheen

c0rk3r wrote: »

Drug dealer who deals drugs goes to jail

Drug dealer? It doesn't mention anything about drug dealing..

Robbo

ScumLord wrote: »

Unless he had a shed full of plants growing on a commercial scale then there's no reason to be so heavy handed. Even if it was commercial it's hard to say he should be locked up, at his age he could be supplying older people and people suffering from terminal conditions. There's no guarantee there was any other crime going on and if that's the case they had no reason to go so hard on him.

What do you have to offer over the original evidence other an spurious conjecture? The only arbiter of whether the punishment was overly harsh is the Flying Dutchman and his solicitor, who may appeal the sentence.

AnonoBoy

Sheeps wrote: »

Who is the victim of this crime?

My sense of moral indignation?

Pat Sheen

walshb wrote: »

The bigger the haul, the more lethal the drug, and the more lengthy the sentence. That's my view.

What if the drug isn't lethal at all though?

Davei141

walshb wrote: »

Who can say, all we know is that they got the "dealer" before he MIGHT have had a chance to snare a victim, or victims. Bit like a preemptive strike if you will

LOL. You do know what cannabis is right? Seriously you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about so can you please stop throwing in your bull**** opinion, you sound like a senile 90 year old biddy giving out on joe duffy.

TheZohanS

walshb wrote: »

He's a drug dealer and I don't give a flying **** what sentences have been handed down in the past, it's high time we got serious on drug dealers in this country.

Where does it say he was a dealer?

walshb wrote: »

From here on in, no sympathy and no leniency for dealers. The bigger the haul, the more lethal the drug, and the more lengthy the sentence. That's my view.

I think they should legalise marijuana, sell it through registered outlets and tax it. The taxes can go back into the public coffers.

Dopey

That has to be a misprint.

Davei141

Pat Sheen wrote: »

What if the drug isn't lethal at all though?

He will explode trying to contemplate how something that is not lethal is illegal.

Irishcrx

walshb wrote: »

Who can say, all we know is that they got the "dealer" before he MIGHT have had a chance to snare a victim, or victims. Bit like a preemptive strike if you will

Yeah cause god forbit he'd sell the little bit of weed and haul more victims of his awful evil in..oh what a demon drug it is, causing all sorts of problems violence on the street , domestic abuse , uncontrolable emotions,people killed...oh hang on that drugs legal but it's ok cause the government encourges us to drink more...for the economys sake like :rolleyes:

walshb

Davei141 wrote: »

LOL. You do know what cannabis is right? Seriously you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about so can you please stop throwing in your bull**** opinion, you sound like a senile 90 year old biddy giving out on joe duffy.

Wow, bit OTT that:rolleyes: Maybe your a dealer and I've offended you?

So, I could go and dissect your post, but it's probably a waste of time.

Now, could you elaborate on WHY: "no idea whatsoever what you are talking about"

walshb

Irishcrx wrote: »

Yeah cause god forbit he'd sell the little bit of weed and haul more victims of his awful evil in..oh what a demon drug it is, causing all sorts of problems violence on the street , domestic abuse , uncontrolable emotions,people killed...oh hang on that drugs legal but it's ok cause the government encourges us to drink more...for the economys sake like :rolleyes:

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

c0rk3r

ScumLord wrote: »

I know a couple of lads you've dealt for years, been caught doing that, had fist fights with cops in the street and lots of fighting in general, been infront of a judge at least 3 times that I can remember and the last time they where finally sentenced to a week (well it was more than a week but that's what they served). Came out of prison dealing on the phone as they where walking out the door.

Yeah i know 3 people who;ve had over €20,000 worth of drugs (cocaine/ ecstasy). Highest one guy had was €80,000. None of these people went to jail. Obviously there is more to this case than is printed in the metro. Judges also like to see a sense of remorse for the crime either genuine or not. Him mocking the court with "hobby" rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

walshb

c0rk3r wrote: »

Yeah i know 3 people who;ve had over €20,000 worth of drugs (cocaine/ ecstasy). Highest one guy had was €80,000. None of these people went to jail. Obviously there is more to this case than is printed in the metro. Judges also like to see a sense of remorse for the crime either genuine or not. Him mocking the court with "hobby" rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

Yes, and this is a travesty. But, does that mean that just because lenient sentences have been handed down ion the past, that it should always remain like that?

Davei141

walshb wrote: »

Wow, bit OTT that:rolleyes: Maybe your a dealer and I've offended you?

So, I could go and dissect your post, but it's probably a waste of time.

Now, could you elaborate on WHY: "no idea whatsoever what you are talking about"

Read over the british scientist sacked thread and now this one, so much nonsense that could only be spoken by the ignorant or a troll. A weed grower now has victims? Snaring? Are we talking about heroin or weed, because i don't think you know the difference, hence "the no idea whatsoever what you are talking about". Your head in sand illegal vs legal world is black and white view is the road taken by people who cant think for themselves.

Auvers

walshb wrote: »

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

walshb

Davei141 wrote: »

Read over the british scientist sacked thread and now this one, so much nonsense that could only be spoken by the ignorant or a troll. A weed grower now has victims? Snaring? Are we talking about heroin or weed, because i don't think you know the difference, hence "the no idea whatsoever what you are talking about". Your head in sand illegal vs legal world is black and white view is the road taken by people who cant think for themselves.

A weed grower in Ireland is a criminal. That's the law. Now, that weed that is grown MAY well end up being sold to children, adults, whatever. Now, that is the possible start of the misery that the illegal drugs trade has caused in this country.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

I am not saying that the man caught growing Cannabis should be treated identical to the man selling Heroin. I never said that. The man selling Heroin deserves LIFE. But, the guys pedalling or selling or growing Cannabis, that can and does end up on the streets, also deserves to be dealt with

Davei141

walshb wrote: »

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

LOL the gateway arguement. Do you think drug addicts start smoking weed first or drinking alcohol/smoking cigarettes?

Pace2008

walshb wrote: »

Robbo, exactly what I was thinking. The report makes it out that all was easy going and rosy and all that. He's a drug dealer and I don't give a flying **** what sentences have been handed down in the past, it's high time we got serious on drug dealers in this country.

This isn't the solution at all. People are always going to want drugs; it may be hard for you to comprehend but free will exists and people’s attitudes aren’t going to change. By adopting your approach you’re just making the illegal drugs trade more lucrative, so the people who profit are the smarter, more ruthless criminals and criminal gangs.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

I think you need to look a bit beyond the anti-drugs 'education' you received in third-year religion class before you launch an attack on a social situation you clearly don't understand.

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

How the **** can I? My dealer's just been locked away for 3 years.

walshb

Davei141 wrote: »

LOL the gateway arguement. Do you think drug addicts start smoking weed first or drinking alcohol/smoking cigarettes?

Read my previous post to see the answer. I have covered all avenues. I am always precise and accurate.

walshb

Pace2008 wrote: »

How the **** can I? My dealer's just been locked away for 3 years.

Good one!

Pat Sheen

c0rk3r wrote: »

Him mocking the court with rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Wertz

Sheeps wrote: »

Who is the victim of this crime?

The children!
Oh and the exchequer.

I mean this guy is obviously only going to move on to selling heroin and crystal meth if he gets off with this...lock him up and throw away the key.

Meanwhile leave drunken bastards that kick people repeatedly in the head for fun to the probation services and meaningless fines..."shure it's not in his character your honour...there was afair bit of drink taken...my client comes from a good home and has changed his ways".

F*cking country's a joke...

biko

Goddam Dutchies coming over here growing weeds and stuff.

Pic released

walshb

Pat Sheen wrote: »

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Hey, express himself how he wants, but that doesn't mean that a judge cannot then
be insulted and be more severe. That's the risk one takes when one tries to get
lippy or out of hand with judges

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Victims??? Hilarious...

I wish you could bar people from your threads... :rolleyes:

walshb

Wertz wrote: »

The children!
Oh and the exchequer.

I mean this guy is obviously only going to move on to selling heroin and crystal meth if he gets off with this...lock him up and throw away the key.

Meanwhile leave drunken bastards that kick people repeatedly in the head for fun to the probation services and meaningless fines..."shure it's not in his character your honour...there was afair bit of drink taken...my client comes from a good home and has changed his ways".

F*cking country's a joke...

That's not really a fair analogy. Everyone knows the system gets it wrong many times, but when it gets it right, then why are we complaining. I hate hearing of pissy sentences handed down for bad crimes. It really irks me. He received a fair sentence. He was caught growing illegal drugs. It's drugs we're talking about. Now, the drug may not have been Class A, but isn't that why the sentence was only three years. Had it been Heroin, maybe it could have been ten years.

Davei141

walshb wrote: »

A weed grower in Ireland is a criminal./ That's the law. Now, that weed that is grown MAY well end up being sold to children, adults, whatever. Now, that is the possible start of the misery that the illegal drugs trade has caused in this country.

The law, seriously use your brain for a moment. Weed may end up being sold to children and they end up heroin riddled junkies, still with the gateway argument, does anyone besides you still use that.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

No they start off drinking naggins of vodka in the streets in their early teens. So by your reasoning alcohol is the number 1 gateway drug in this country.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

Why does it matter the legality? The effects of alcohol are far stronger than weed, if somebody is wanting to get ****ed up with their destructive personality, what drug do you think they would choose?

I am not saying that the man caught growing Cannabis should be treated identical to the man selling Heroin. I never said that. The man selling Heroin deserves LIFE. But, the guys pedalling or selling or growing Cannabis, that can and does end up on the streets, also deserves to be dealt with

Dealt with how? a guy growing a bit of weed sentenced to 3 years seems reasonable to you?

drunkmonkey

walshb wrote: »

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

I agree, I had my first splif at 14, I was a rent boy by 16 sucking off auld fells on bagget street bridge for herion, I eventually started dealing cocaine and that's when my life changed for the better, suddenly I was making more money than ever and could finally stop turning dirty tricks for pennys.
Now i've become pretty successfull at it and am able to take care of my ma who lives all alone.
Your right cannibas is a gateway drug, without it I would never have found cocaine and had the opportunity to turn my life around.

I would be complelty against legalisation of drugs of any kind, i'm an active member of the vitners assocation and hope people like yourself keep the fight alive so I can continue to enjoy my comfortable lifestyle.

Thanks again it really is great to see someone campaign on behalf of me and all the other drug dealers, the longer you keep it illegal the longer we stay in business.

walshb

Davei141 wrote: »

Dealt with how? a guy growing a bit of weed sentenced to 3 years seems reasonable to you?

Okay, what do you think should have happened to a guy caught growing illegal drugs in Ireland?

Bear in mind, that in other countries, the sentence would have been stiffer!

And also, you seem to keep forgetting that alcohol is currently a LEGAL drug that
is monitored and regulated in Ireland.

And for the record, I also happen to think that any person caught selling alcohol&cigs to
under age kids deserves to be dealt with harshly. See, I have covered the areas

Why keep bringing in alcohol to the debate. This is Cannabis that the man was caught with

denhaagenite

Pat Sheen wrote: »

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Not really. I smoked more at home than I do here. I have some nice stuff in a box that I keep for visitors so they won't buy that white widow s***e that everyone gets because it's the only one they know the name of. Even when my eyes are popping out with stress it never even crosses my mind to smoke it.

Older people here aren't generally users. It's more common among the scobies and teenagers while the 25's to 35's on the party scene prefer E or cocaine. While they might not progress to heroin there is definitely a progression. Very difficult to meet decent people here imo, because if you meet them in work they're different after work and if you meet them at night, they're different during the day. Be it smoke, swallow or snort.