Dutch gardener jailed

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:01PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Yeah cause god forbit he'd sell the little bit of weed and haul more victims of his awful evil in..oh what a demon drug it is, causing all sorts of problems violence on the street , domestic abuse , uncontrolable emotions,people killed...oh hang on that drugs legal but it's ok cause the government encourges us to drink more...for the economys sake like :rolleyes:

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

c0rk3r · 04-11-2009 03:01PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I know a couple of lads you've dealt for years, been caught doing that, had fist fights with cops in the street and lots of fighting in general, been infront of a judge at least 3 times that I can remember and the last time they where finally sentenced to a week (well it was more than a week but that's what they served). Came out of prison dealing on the phone as they where walking out the door.

Yeah i know 3 people who;ve had over €20,000 worth of drugs (cocaine/ ecstasy). Highest one guy had was €80,000. None of these people went to jail. Obviously there is more to this case than is printed in the metro. Judges also like to see a sense of remorse for the crime either genuine or not. Him mocking the court with "hobby" rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:05PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Yeah i know 3 people who;ve had over €20,000 worth of drugs (cocaine/ ecstasy). Highest one guy had was €80,000. None of these people went to jail. Obviously there is more to this case than is printed in the metro. Judges also like to see a sense of remorse for the crime either genuine or not. Him mocking the court with "hobby" rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

Yes, and this is a travesty. But, does that mean that just because lenient sentences have been handed down ion the past, that it should always remain like that?

Davei141 · 04-11-2009 03:07PM

walshb wrote: »

Wow, bit OTT that:rolleyes: Maybe your a dealer and I've offended you?

So, I could go and dissect your post, but it's probably a waste of time.

Now, could you elaborate on WHY: "no idea whatsoever what you are talking about"

Read over the british scientist sacked thread and now this one, so much nonsense that could only be spoken by the ignorant or a troll. A weed grower now has victims? Snaring? Are we talking about heroin or weed, because i don't think you know the difference, hence "the no idea whatsoever what you are talking about". Your head in sand illegal vs legal world is black and white view is the road taken by people who cant think for themselves.

Auvers · 04-11-2009 03:08PM

walshb wrote: »

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:12PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Read over the british scientist sacked thread and now this one, so much nonsense that could only be spoken by the ignorant or a troll. A weed grower now has victims? Snaring? Are we talking about heroin or weed, because i don't think you know the difference, hence "the no idea whatsoever what you are talking about". Your head in sand illegal vs legal world is black and white view is the road taken by people who cant think for themselves.

A weed grower in Ireland is a criminal. That's the law. Now, that weed that is grown MAY well end up being sold to children, adults, whatever. Now, that is the possible start of the misery that the illegal drugs trade has caused in this country.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

I am not saying that the man caught growing Cannabis should be treated identical to the man selling Heroin. I never said that. The man selling Heroin deserves LIFE. But, the guys pedalling or selling or growing Cannabis, that can and does end up on the streets, also deserves to be dealt with

Davei141 · 04-11-2009 03:12PM

walshb wrote: »

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

LOL the gateway arguement. Do you think drug addicts start smoking weed first or drinking alcohol/smoking cigarettes?

Pace2008 · 04-11-2009 03:13PM

walshb wrote: »

Robbo, exactly what I was thinking. The report makes it out that all was easy going and rosy and all that. He's a drug dealer and I don't give a flying **** what sentences have been handed down in the past, it's high time we got serious on drug dealers in this country.

This isn't the solution at all. People are always going to want drugs; it may be hard for you to comprehend but free will exists and people’s attitudes aren’t going to change. By adopting your approach you’re just making the illegal drugs trade more lucrative, so the people who profit are the smarter, more ruthless criminals and criminal gangs.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

I think you need to look a bit beyond the anti-drugs 'education' you received in third-year religion class before you launch an attack on a social situation you clearly don't understand.

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

How the **** can I? My dealer's just been locked away for 3 years.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:14PM

Davei141 wrote: »

LOL the gateway arguement. Do you think drug addicts start smoking weed first or drinking alcohol/smoking cigarettes?

Read my previous post to see the answer. I have covered all avenues. I am always precise and accurate.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:15PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

How the **** can I? My dealer's just been locked away for 3 years.

Good one!

Pat Sheen · 04-11-2009 03:15PM

c0rk3r wrote: »

Him mocking the court with rubbish may have pushed the judge in the other direction.

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Wertz · 04-11-2009 03:18PM

Sheeps wrote: »

Who is the victim of this crime?

The children!
Oh and the exchequer.

I mean this guy is obviously only going to move on to selling heroin and crystal meth if he gets off with this...lock him up and throw away the key.

Meanwhile leave drunken bastards that kick people repeatedly in the head for fun to the probation services and meaningless fines..."shure it's not in his character your honour...there was afair bit of drink taken...my client comes from a good home and has changed his ways".

F*cking country's a joke...

biko · 04-11-2009 03:18PM

Goddam Dutchies coming over here growing weeds and stuff.

Pic released

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:19PM

Pat Sheen wrote: »

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Hey, express himself how he wants, but that doesn't mean that a judge cannot then
be insulted and be more severe. That's the risk one takes when one tries to get
lippy or out of hand with judges

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 04-11-2009 03:21PM

Victims??? Hilarious...

I wish you could bar people from your threads... :rolleyes:

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:22PM

Wertz wrote: »

The children!
Oh and the exchequer.

I mean this guy is obviously only going to move on to selling heroin and crystal meth if he gets off with this...lock him up and throw away the key.

Meanwhile leave drunken bastards that kick people repeatedly in the head for fun to the probation services and meaningless fines..."shure it's not in his character your honour...there was afair bit of drink taken...my client comes from a good home and has changed his ways".

F*cking country's a joke...

That's not really a fair analogy. Everyone knows the system gets it wrong many times, but when it gets it right, then why are we complaining. I hate hearing of pissy sentences handed down for bad crimes. It really irks me. He received a fair sentence. He was caught growing illegal drugs. It's drugs we're talking about. Now, the drug may not have been Class A, but isn't that why the sentence was only three years. Had it been Heroin, maybe it could have been ten years.

Davei141 · 04-11-2009 03:22PM

walshb wrote: »

A weed grower in Ireland is a criminal./ That's the law. Now, that weed that is grown MAY well end up being sold to children, adults, whatever. Now, that is the possible start of the misery that the illegal drugs trade has caused in this country.

The law, seriously use your brain for a moment. Weed may end up being sold to children and they end up heroin riddled junkies, still with the gateway argument, does anyone besides you still use that.

I think you need to do some research before jumping in with your aggressive attitude.

Kids do not begin a life on drugs by immediately heading to Heroin or Cocaine.
At least not in the majority of instances.

No they start off drinking naggins of vodka in the streets in their early teens. So by your reasoning alcohol is the number 1 gateway drug in this country.

Usually it's ciggies, alcohol and then to ILLEGAL cannabis and E and on an on and on.

Why does it matter the legality? The effects of alcohol are far stronger than weed, if somebody is wanting to get ****ed up with their destructive personality, what drug do you think they would choose?

I am not saying that the man caught growing Cannabis should be treated identical to the man selling Heroin. I never said that. The man selling Heroin deserves LIFE. But, the guys pedalling or selling or growing Cannabis, that can and does end up on the streets, also deserves to be dealt with

Dealt with how? a guy growing a bit of weed sentenced to 3 years seems reasonable to you?

drunkmonkey · 04-11-2009 03:23PM

walshb wrote: »

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

Is it legal to sell here?

Until it is, the I think you should chill a bit.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?

No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

I agree, I had my first splif at 14, I was a rent boy by 16 sucking off auld fells on bagget street bridge for herion, I eventually started dealing cocaine and that's when my life changed for the better, suddenly I was making more money than ever and could finally stop turning dirty tricks for pennys.
Now i've become pretty successfull at it and am able to take care of my ma who lives all alone.
Your right cannibas is a gateway drug, without it I would never have found cocaine and had the opportunity to turn my life around.

I would be complelty against legalisation of drugs of any kind, i'm an active member of the vitners assocation and hope people like yourself keep the fight alive so I can continue to enjoy my comfortable lifestyle.

Thanks again it really is great to see someone campaign on behalf of me and all the other drug dealers, the longer you keep it illegal the longer we stay in business.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:26PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Dealt with how? a guy growing a bit of weed sentenced to 3 years seems reasonable to you?

Okay, what do you think should have happened to a guy caught growing illegal drugs in Ireland?

Bear in mind, that in other countries, the sentence would have been stiffer!

And also, you seem to keep forgetting that alcohol is currently a LEGAL drug that
is monitored and regulated in Ireland.

And for the record, I also happen to think that any person caught selling alcohol&cigs to
under age kids deserves to be dealt with harshly. See, I have covered the areas

Why keep bringing in alcohol to the debate. This is Cannabis that the man was caught with

denhaagenite · 04-11-2009 03:28PM

Pat Sheen wrote: »

He's dutch. It is a common hobby in holland. He is not in holland though, but that should make no difference on how he expresses himself.

Not really. I smoked more at home than I do here. I have some nice stuff in a box that I keep for visitors so they won't buy that white widow s***e that everyone gets because it's the only one they know the name of. Even when my eyes are popping out with stress it never even crosses my mind to smoke it.

Older people here aren't generally users. It's more common among the scobies and teenagers while the 25's to 35's on the party scene prefer E or cocaine. While they might not progress to heroin there is definitely a progression. Very difficult to meet decent people here imo, because if you meet them in work they're different after work and if you meet them at night, they're different during the day. Be it smoke, swallow or snort.

Auvers · 04-11-2009 03:34PM

just wondering walsb, have you ever actually smoked some Cannabis?

Davei141 · 04-11-2009 03:35PM

walshb wrote: »

Okay, what do you think should have happened to a guy caught growing illegal drugs in Ireland?

Seeing as its ILLEGAL as you keep pointing out, i would say a fine and probation. I don't see any reason why i should be illegal though.

Bear in mind, that in other countries, the sentence would have been stiffer!

Like saudi arabia.

And also, you seem to keep forgetting that alcohol is currently a LEGAL drug that
is monitored and regulated in Ireland.

We all know what a great job we are doing regulating that nice pleasant safe drug dont we. Let me as you this, if cannabis was legalised and regulated do you think society would collapse.

Why keep bringing in alcohol to the debate. This is Cannabis that the man was caught with

I am bringing alcohol into the debate because you are going on about gateway nonsense.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:36PM

Auvers wrote: »

just wondering walsb, have you ever actually smoked some Cannabis?

What has that got to do with it?

I haven't said anything specific or medical concerning the drug.

It's simple. The current law says that the sale and distribution and possession of Cannabis is illegal here in Ireland. Should you breach the law, expect to be possibly jailed.
It's not rocket science

Wertz · 04-11-2009 03:37PM

walshb wrote: »

That's not really a fair analogy. Everyone knows the system gets it wrong many times, but when it gets it right, then why are we complaining. I hate hearing of pissy sentences handed down for bad crimes. It really irks me. He received a fair sentence. He was caught growing illegal drugs. It's drugs we're talking about. Now, the drug may not have been Class A, but isn't that why the sentence was only three years. Had it been Heroin, maybe it could have been ten years.

Why isn't it? I know several people that have been the victim of assaults, some of them serious, that have left some of those people a shadow of their former selves in terms of going out socialising, enjoying a night on the town etc....and the few of those cases that even made it to court, drink was used as an extenuating circumstance in the commision of the assault and sentences like 3 months, large fines or more often than not suspended sentences/ peace bonds were the method of punishment.

I don't care what your stance is on illegal drugs but please don't try and tell me or anyone else that commmon assault and A/G BH is a less damaging crime than growing/preparing/smoking a few plants.

As for your point on heroin....if it was heroin he'd have been growing opium poppies...and ironically that's not illegal (at least it isn't in the UK). If he was selling heroin (or meth or coke or E's for that matter) I'd have no problem with his sentence...in fact if he was prooved to be consistently selling his produce in large amounts and/or to kids, I'd have said lock him up too....but as it stands, it's just bullsh*t to send some sort of "message".
It sends a message alright...that the law is an ass, as are most of those who preside over it.

ShooterSF · 04-11-2009 03:37PM

Cannabis should be legalised but until then he broke the law and has to accept the consequences.

Davei141 · 04-11-2009 03:38PM

walshb wrote: »

What has that got to do wityh it?

I haven't said anything specific or medical concerning the drug.

It's simple. The current law says that the sale and distribution and possession of Cannabis is illegal here in Ireland. Should you breach the law, expect to be possibly jailed.
It's not rocket science

Everything is so simple, so black and white. Like talking to a robot.

Pat Sheen · 04-11-2009 03:38PM

denhaagenite wrote: »

Not really. I smoked more at home than I do here. I have some nice stuff in a box that I keep for visitors so they won't buy that white widow s***e that everyone gets because it's the only one they know the name of. Even when my eyes are popping out with stress it never even crosses my mind to smoke it.

Older people here aren't generally users. It's more common among the scobies and teenagers while the 25's to 35's on the party scene prefer E or cocaine. While they might not progress to heroin there is definitely a progression. Very difficult to meet decent people here imo, because if you meet them in work they're different after work and if you meet them at night, they're different during the day. Be it smoke, swallow or snort.

Cannabis growing is a common pursuit in many countries. However in holland it is considered a hobby thanks to lenient legal penalties. Dutch home growers have none of the paranoia generally displayed by growers in other countries. Commercial growers on the other hand must be security conscious but that is more a precaution against others stealing a valuable crop.

walshb · 04-11-2009 03:39PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Seeing as its ILLEGAL as you keep pointing out, i would say a fine and probation. I don't see any reason why i should be illegal though.

Like saudi arabia.

We all know what a great job we are doing regulating that nice pleasant safe drug dont we. Let me as you this, if cannabis was legalised and regulated do you think society would collapse.

I am bringing alcohol into the debate because you are going on about gateway nonsense.

Dave, no need to be so aggressive. It's just a debate. Look, you and I will not agree here, as you think the drug should be legalised. So, we are only going around in circles.

BTW, I clearly said that I also believe that the illegal selling of alcohol and cigs to minors deserves to be punished. So, it's not simply a case of me being PRO Alcohol and anti Cannabis. I just happen to think that Cannabis should be an illegal drug here in Ireland. I also think Cocaine and Heroin should be illegal.

If the govt asked me which of the three to make legal, I would say Cannabis, IF I had to.

Auvers · 04-11-2009 03:41PM

walshb wrote: »

What has that got to do wityh it?

just wondering where youre ill-informed rabid hatred of any mention of drugs comes from

ScumLord · 04-11-2009 03:41PM

walshb wrote: »

Is Cannabis legal to grow here?

It should be.
Is it legal to sell here?

It should be.

Also, do you think all drug addicts start their careers on the big horrible
heroin and Cocaine? Do all young kids start their careers in drug use with
heroin and Cocaine?

No they start on the legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco both of which do set a trend of addiction (most tobacco though) which will follow them throughout their lifes.

Do you think dealers start their career on the big stuff like Heroin and Cocaine?
No, they progress to this from the bottom to the top, and Cannabis is
part of the drug chain, the filty and disgusting chain that it is

But alcohol and tobacco is at the root of that chain. If the chain is really only people getting high from ingesting something then it probably starts as a child when they get their first sugar rush.

walshb wrote: »

A weed grower in Ireland is a criminal. That's the law. Now, that weed that is grown MAY well end up being sold to children, adults, whatever.

Same can easily be said about alcohol and tobacco but at least those drugs are controlled and harder for a child to purchase than any other drug would be.

I don't care what the law says about cannabis any more, the law is an ass and it's wrong so I'm not going to abide by it any more. Saying "it's the law" means nothing when it comes to the right and wrong of something.

Dutch gardener jailed

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