Sharia Law, Here?

Volvoboy

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sharia-law-in-ireland-if-muslims-are-the-majority-135108.html

LARA BRADLEY
SHARIA law should rule Ireland in the event of a Muslim majority, a senior Islamic cleric has said.
The legal system, derived from the Koran, is implemented in a number of Islamic countries to varying degrees, from beheadings in Saudi Arabia to the more liberal attitudes of Malaysia.

Secretary-General of the Irish Council of Imams Ali Selim said: "There is a clear misunderstanding of the term Sharia law. People get alerted to what will happen them when they hear this term and see it as a negative thing. But under Sharia law a Christian can live by Christian laws, a Jew by the laws of Judaism, and Muslims by Sharia law.

"If the majority in a country want something and vote for it, do you accept it or do you put it in the bin? If a majority want it then it should happen. If not, that is a dictatorship."

In Sharia law a set of offences known as Hadd are punishable by penalties such as stoning or flogging to death, or the chopping off of a hand. These offences include sex outside marriage, theft and drinking alcohol, but the majority of Islamic states do not adopt Hadd offences as part of their state law.

The recently formed Irish Council of Imams represents all 14 imams in the Republic of Ireland and has the authority to speak on behalf of the country's 40,000 Muslims.

While Mr Selim would like to see Sharia law in Ireland, and the Muslim community has grown dramatically in recent years, he admits the likelihood of forming a majority is extremely slim.

He said: "The reality is that the Muslim community in Ireland, or in any part of Europe, are minorities and the best they can wish for is to be able to integrate. The Irish do not make us feel like strangers and they do not find diversity threatening. They have been very welcoming to us and we are cooperating with them for the joint good."

Speaking of the violent outcry from Muslims around the world at Pope Benedict's remarks on Islam, Mr Selim said it was important the reaction was understood in the context of the environment in which it took place.

He said: "This violence happened in a very limited area and you must look at the political environment in those areas to understand it. In Ireland we were definitely shocked, but when we realised the Vatican was taking steps towards a withdrawal we decided not to express our views. If we had expressed our views it would have been in a civil manner and in a way harmonious to the society in which we live."

:eek:

The_Kew_Tour

might be sooner then we think too.:eek:

fcussen

Muslims will never be a majority in Ireland. To think otherwise is paranoid xenophobic nonsense.

Overheal

fcussen wrote: »

Muslims will never be a majority in Ireland. To think otherwise is paranoid xenophobic nonsense.

Tell it to White America pal.

uprising

Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea, for a while, theres a few beheadings I'd voluteer to carry out myself, although I'd need a special sword for that fat head of state, then another sword for mary's fat head, even the best samarai out there couldn't possibly do both.
Then those bankers, they wouldn't be dipping into our pockets if they didnt have hands.
Drug dealers, murderers, rapists, the main political parties and their sidekicks would make a great day out in Croke park, get your popcorn and stones here.
My only concern would be sex before marriage, I like my goolies where they are:eek:.

netwhizkid

IBTL

Doc

Wow a senior Islamic cleric has said SHARIA law should rule Ireland in the event of a Muslim majority. I don’t see why I should care. Muslims are a very small minority in Ireland and this is only one persons view.

Can you please explain why I should care?

slipss

Doc wrote: »

Wow a senior Islamic cleric has said SHARIA law should rule Ireland in the event of a Muslim majority. I don’t see why I should care. Muslims are a very small minority in Ireland and this is only one persons view.

Can you please explain why I should care?

Ha! You'll care soon enough when muslims sneak into your home at night and eat your first born.

Doc

slipss wrote: »

Ha! You'll care soon enough when muslims sneak into your home at night and eat your first born.

I see. Currently I do not have any children but I understand how this may be a problem for those of you who do. I will now go purchase a shotgun in order to help destroy this treat to our liberties.

It is Muslims that you have to aim for the head or they’ll just keep coming isn’t it?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

netwhizkid wrote: »

IBTL

Why do people post this fcuking sh!t??? Really...

Either way, this land will never be ruled that way, not in our lifetime at the very very least. It's conspiracy theorist bullcrap.

Terrontress

If the majority of people in Ireland want Sharia law then I would have no issue with that whatsoever.

I may move elsewhere though.

Abi

SHARIA law should rule Ireland in the event of a Muslim majority

Not on my fcukin' watch buddy.

/legs askew


Moar Christians!!

trout

^-^

RossFixxxed

I for one welcome our hand chopping overloards. They love getting stoned from what I gather too so that might be fun.

Also apparently all Jews are actually shape shifting aliens. That's a bit of a concern too.

Adverts.ie for tinfoil hats.

irishultra

muslims will never make up more than 3 or 4%(if even) of the Irish population.

Porkpie

Over my beheaded body.

Biggins

Porkpie wrote: »

Over my beheaded body.

LOL :pac:

ei.sdraob

Volvoboy wrote: »

:eek:

why the surprise?

some people here want beheading of serious criminals as they do in Saudi

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055729184

hooradiation

Given that Ali Selim says this

But under Sharia law a Christian can live by Christian laws, a Jew by the laws of Judaism, and Muslims by Sharia law

They seem to be talking about a similar thing to england where by Civil disputes can be solved under Sharia Law provided both parties agree.

Which I'm totally fine with, though i don't know if that would be currently possible under Irish law. It's possible under English common law, but i don't know if we have an equivalent.

bullpost

hooradiation wrote: »

Given that Ali Selim says this



They seem to be talking about a similar thing to england where by Civil disputes can be solved under Sharia Law provided both parties agree.

Which I'm totally fine with, though i don't know if that would be currently possible under Irish law. It's possible under English common law, but i don't know if we have an equivalent.

In theory it all sounds fine but try going to Saudi and asking directions to your local Christian Church or even try displaying a Christian symbol in public and see how far you get.

hooradiation

bullpost wrote: »

In theory it all sounds fine but try going to Saudi and asking directions to your local Christian Church or even try displaying a Christian symbol in public and see how far you get.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you.

Karl Hungus

Wow, an article from 2006. Nostalgic.

DaveSlats

wrote:

They seem to be talking about a similar thing to england where by Civil disputes can be solved under Sharia Law provided both parties agree.

Which I'm totally fine with, though i don't know if that would be currently possible under Irish law. It's possible under English common law, but i don't know if we have an equivalent.

Except that it is not fine to have parallel legal systems. For example, how can we be sure that both parties 'agree' - especially if, say, it is a divorce case under Sharia where one party, by definition, will be female.

How can you be sure that the rights of the individuals, as defined by state law, are fully respected where the concept of 'rights' under Sharia is different.

Also, more serious crimes are sometimes dealt with by informal courts (for instance among Somalis in the UK) including assault and sexual crimes.

Anyway, it will be a long time before Ireland has a Muslim majority.

However, you don't have to be a scaremonger or a conspiracy theorist to see that Muslim numbers are rising dramatically in some EU countries and will eventually form a majority. Holland will probably be the first with a Muslim majority - quite ironic given it's liberal tradition.

markesmith

Wonder how the Indo readers in my home county (Offaly) are receiving this article. Pure sensationalism.

AnonoBoy

The Iranian Jude Law here? In Ireland?

That's pretty exciting. Is he shooting a movie or just on holidays?

Dragan

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Wow, an article from 2006. Nostalgic.

3 years down the line and still no change.....looking good for us white folk.

IvySlayer

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The Iranian Jude Law here? In Ireland?

That's pretty exciting. Is he shooting a movie or just on holidays?

Prepare your rocks gentlemen.

Ready, aim...

denhaagenite

DaveSlats wrote: »

However, you don't have to be a scaremonger or a conspiracy theorist to see that Muslim numbers are rising dramatically in some EU countries and will eventually form a majority. Holland will probably be the first with a Muslim majority - quite ironic given it's liberal tradition.

Having said that the Muslims in the most populated parts of Holland are a massively marginalised group despite their numbers, and in some communities Sharia law is practised :

http://www.nrc.nl/international/opinion/article2296923.ece/Help_Muslims_escape_the_tyranny_of_sharia_law

It has also unofficially crossed over:

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaanhirsiali/2008/12/from-the-left-a.html

The latter link being one sided but the murders were carried out under the guise of Sharia Law. There will always be extremism.

I think unless we're all going to go back to practising religion and upholding the laws of that religion then one group shouldn't be allowed to impose it.

It is nice to hear that they feel accepted by Irish society though, here it can be painful to hear some of the off the cuff comments people make and see how the segregation happens.

MIN2511

Assalam Alaikum

MIN2511

Sharia law says if a man steals with his left hand-cut it off...

We will have no Government as they will be hand less and legless

DaveSlats

Yes, but the nature or Muslim immigration to Ireland is very different to that in Holland, Germany or the United Kingdom.

In those cases, it was the 'gastarbeiter' phenomenon of the 60s and 70s that drove immigration. Consequently, the Muslims were most working-class manual labourers - who are always marginalised of any religion or none.

Muslim immigration to Ireland is a more recent phenomenon, only starting during the 'Celtic Tiger' years, and the migrants have tended to be professionals, university students etc.

As I understand it, Muslims already form a majority of the under 25-s in many urban areas of Holland. I don't know what the demographic predictions are.

Jumpy

Abigayle wrote: »

Not on my fcukin' watch buddy.

/legs askew


Moar Christians!!

*stones*

Dartz

We'd never give up our drink that easily.

SoupyNorman

Hmmm, slightly confused here. Which one was called Sharia?

Latchy

The one with the beard

Apparently a senior Muslim in UK thinks the muslim flag will be flying from the top of buckingham palace in 10 years .

Wonder what odds paddy power will give on that ?

wes

Latchy wrote: »

The one with the beard

Apparently a senior Muslim in UK thinks the muslim flag will be flying from the top of buckingham palace in 10 years .

Wonder what odds paddy power will give on that ?

The guys saying that are actually a small group, that give themselves nice titles, and some dodgy tabloids in the UK take them way too seriously.

SV

The day muslims have any sort of hold in ireland will be the day I leave the country.
Though I highly doubt it will ever happen.

5starpool

Couldn't be any worse than when the Catholic Church ran the country I guess.

DaveSlats

It was that lunatic Sanjeev Choudhary who said that about the 'black flag of Islam flying over Downing Street'.

He is the nutjob who had some troubles being admitted to Ireland under hatred laws when he came to give a talk in Trinity a few years ago.

He has been remarkably quiet recently. He got into some trouble with Social Welfare (he despises the UK state but lives on benefits - a measure of the mans hypocricy) as he was always appearing on television and giving talks at demonstrations, conventions etc. but was supposedly available for and actively seeking work.

Basically, he was very loud and agressive Islamic fundamentalist until somebody threatened to cut his dole.

Then he went all quiet.

Long Onion

MIN2511 wrote: »

Asylum Alaikum

FYP

The only thing more depressing than the fact that a newspaper ran it is the fact that people are seriously debating it. We are still turning up to see Mary dancing in the sky (funny how she only appears on Saturday's) above swarms of trinket selling zealots - methinks we are 'safe' from the Muslims for now.:rolleyes:

Nodin

SV wrote: »

The day muslims have any sort of hold in ireland will be the day I leave the country.

Why? Going by the "Saudi" thread, you seem easy enough with the extreme form of Sharia.....

Latchy

wes wrote: »

The guys saying that are actually a small group, that give themselves nice titles, and some dodgy tabloids in the UK take them way too seriously.

Just like that guy Hook with the dodgy beard and eye patch .He was quite happy to rant and rave about all things Anti British while claiming hundreds of thousends of £ in Benefits .

Long Onion

Latchy wrote: »

Just like that guy Hook with the dodgy beard and eye patch .He was quite happy to rant and rave about all things Anti British while claiming hundreds of thousends of £ in Benefits .

That was Dustin Hoffman and, if I recall correctly his only problem with Britain was with Wendy and Peter (aristocratics stop-outs)

wes

Latchy wrote: »

Just like that guy Hook with the dodgy beard and eye patch .He was quite happy to rant and rave about all things Anti British while claiming hundreds of thousends of £ in Benefits .

I always find it funny, that the most nutty extremists, are unemployed. I guess they have nothing better to do with there time, but cause trouble.

derfderf

Don't be so sure they won't became majority. It rains a lot here and if they get wet they multiply. And if they eat after midnight durin ramadan they....no wait, that's not the muslims.

Nodin

I wonder if theres a market for undergound beer bunkers......

Latchy

Long Onion wrote: »

That was Dustin Hoffman and, if I recall correctly his only problem with Britain was with Wendy and Peter (aristocratics stop-outs)

Hoffman was a terrible Hook . I Prefer the classic cartoon version myself

wes wrote: »

I always find it funny, that the most nutty extremists, are unemployed. I guess they have nothing better to do with there time, but cause trouble.

Only in Britain would he have being allowed to rant as long as he did

denhaagenite

DaveSlats wrote: »

Yes, but the nature or Muslim immigration to Ireland is very different to that in Holland, Germany or the United Kingdom.

In those cases, it was the 'gastarbeiter' phenomenon of the 60s and 70s that drove immigration. Consequently, the Muslims were most working-class manual labourers - who are always marginalised of any religion or none.

Muslim immigration to Ireland is a more recent phenomenon, only starting during the 'Celtic Tiger' years, and the migrants have tended to be professionals, university students etc.

As I understand it, Muslims already form a majority of the under 25-s in many urban areas of Holland. I don't know what the demographic predictions are.

That's not really true though, many of the Muslims in Ireland have been there for a really long time. There was a mosque in the estate around the corner from me when I was growing up in the 80's and there is a shop in another area that has been run by a Muslim family for the last twenty years, the only people able to keep it open for longer than two years under the same ownership aswell. Can't factually comment on Dublin but they also have a few long term Muslim residents aswell, who run shops and takeaways etc. All working class. Agreed we have lots of students and professionals and they're not of the same type as Holland but you can´t say they only came during the Celtic Tiger years- this is completely untrue. Perhaps that's why we get on with them so well, they were here before the boom.

Kipperhell

fcussen wrote: »

Muslims will never be a majority in Ireland. To think otherwise is paranoid xenophobic nonsense.

I am sure the Muslims in Spain said the same about the Christians

SV

Nodin wrote: »

Why? Going by the "Saudi" thread, you seem easy enough with the extreme form of Sharia.....

Easy enough?
lol, how stupid was that reply eh?
You didn't read my very first reply in the Saudi thread then did you?

stevedublin

Kipperhell wrote: »

I am sure the Muslims in Spain said the same about the Christians

I dont think they were ever the majority though.