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Well done on that session. I'm not looking forward to that one either. Tough running in this evening's wind too.
The 'general' guideline is that a recovery run should be around 40 minutes. 13 miles is going to be counter-productive, as it's not going to have the same positive impact (recovery, which is the reason for the run), even if your heart rate is in the right zone. I mean, why stop at 13 miles? If a longer recovery run is doing you no harm, why not clock up 20 miles and shed a few more pounds? Because ultimately it's miles without any real purpose and eventually they start working against you. A bit like playing poker. You can play the duff hands a couple of times, and sometimes, you'll get lucky, but in the long run you'll lose money (bit of a pointless analogy!). Anyway, who am I to talk? I'm just as frequently guilty of these types of runs. 20 mile recovery runs, all the way..
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »Well done on that session. I'm not looking forward to that one either. Tough running in this evening's wind too.
The 'general' guideline is that a recovery run should be around 40 minutes. 13 miles is going to be counter-productive, as it's not going to have the same positive impact (recovery, which is the reason for the run), even if your heart rate is in the right zone. I mean, why stop at 13 miles? If a longer recovery run is doing you no harm, why not clock up 20 miles and shed a few more pounds? Because ultimately it's miles without any real purpose and eventually they start working against you. A bit like playing poker. You can play the duff hands a couple of times, and sometimes, you'll get lucky, but in the long run you'll lose money (bit of a pointless analogy!). Anyway, who am I to talk? I'm just as frequently guilty of these types of runs. 20 mile recovery runs, all the way..
Another man calling me fat :mad:
Yeah I know in fairness that I shouldn't be doing a 13 mile 'recovery', but as I say I am a bit obsessive about getting the miles in, especially when I am off work and can rest/sleep all I need. Next week when I get back to work it is going to be really difficult to do the 70 mile weeks0 -
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why not jsut edit the log entry and call it a "extra bonus mid-week medium long run" (EBMWLR's are the way to go)Another man calling me fat :mad:
Yeah I know in fairness that I shouldn't be doing a 13 mile 'recovery', but as I say I am a bit obsessive about getting the miles in, especially when I am off work and can rest/sleep all I need. Next week when I get back to work it is going to be really difficult to do the 70 mile weeks
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TheRoadRunner wrote: »Merging recovery runs like that probably can be considered as junk miles. However I'm guilty of doing similar things now and then with an eye on mileage. On the plus side you do get probably get some benefits such as increased running economy and weight loss. As long as it doesn't impede your planned sessions I'd say fire away within reason.Krusty_Clown wrote: »The 'general' guideline is that a recovery run should be around 40 minutes. 13 miles is going to be counter-productive, as it's not going to have the same positive impact (recovery, which is the reason for the run), even if your heart rate is in the right zone. I mean, why stop at 13 miles? If a longer recovery run is doing you no harm, why not clock up 20 miles and shed a few more pounds? Because ultimately it's miles without any real purpose and eventually they start working against you. A bit like playing poker. You can play the duff hands a couple of times, and sometimes, you'll get lucky, but in the long run you'll lose money (bit of a pointless analogy!). Anyway, who am I to talk? I'm just as frequently guilty of these types of runs. 20 mile recovery runs, all the way..
On the weight thing above (I wasn't commenting on yours by the way, have never really checked you out) I'd agree with kenny. Shift as much excess fat as you can. Have a look at my latest log post. I think I'll be counting calories and joining weight watchers soon
Just reread my post and actually agree with KCs more. I should have said merging recovery runs like you did now and then is OK if it doesn't impede on the rest of your week. It isn't ideal though. However I totally get why you did it. I think you said this week is down to be your highest mileage wise and mentally you probably want to make sure you don't miss out on this. I reckon marathon running is 90% mental so as long as it doesn't impact physically and you gain something mentally then it can be justified occasionally.0 -
This is the bit i don't get. I saw your post the other day on the 8 week thread and you ve lost something like 8 pounds - fair play. But why not keep it going? You said your happy where you are. And yes i am calling you fat:D
Hey Brian, Long time no here, how's tricks?
Hey listen, I guess the problem with these logs is that every one of your random ramblings is open for criticism. Let's just say the 'I eat loads of crap food' comment should be taken with a pinch of salt. I am not saying my diet is 100% clean but it is a million times better than what it used to be.
Just for the record btw, I have lost 9lbs over the last 8 weeks, but more importantly 2.5 inches off the waist (34" to 31.5") and 4 % bodyfat (18%-14%) according to my scalesYour training is savage, your doing serious serious mileage putting in huge time and effort, so why not go that extra bit further. With the amount of miles your doing (and time your investing) to not be running sub 40 for 10k or sub 1'30 is a crime.
While i don't intend to turn this into a weight debate and no doubt someone will come along and say 'im 13 stone and i can run xyz'. But i think its worth going away and having a think about it to be honest. Look at the national athletics championships or any top end sport and you ll see they havent a pick on them. Someone like Alistair brownlee is around the same height as you (i think) and weighs 62kg. Im not saying to go that far but getting closer to that would be more ideal. I really dont think 11 stone 8lbs is a racing weight (at your height) for someone who is running 70mpw.
Anyway thats just my 2c and if your happy that fair enough i guess. Just getting out of bed at 8/9 on a sat/sun morning to run 20miles then being disppointed with a time makes no sense to me at all. Recovery, massage, weight and other aspects are just as important as doing miles.
Everybody has blow outs and bad days but getting it right 95% of the time will make a huge difference imho.
I have loads of mates my height who are 62kg or less, but I don't think I will ever be that guy (frankly I wouldn't want to be that light anyway). Their builds are tiny compared to mine. I'll continue doing the same things as I have been R.E. diet coming up to Berlin, but I won't sweat it. Hopefully I drop a few more pounds, but frankly in the past I have found a stumbling block once I hit 74kg (as I am now). It seems to be somewhat of a sweetspot for me, that i can't get below. (no trouble geting above it though if I let things slip
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As for times- I have no doubt that I could run either a sub 40 10k and/or a sun 1'30 HM right now if I rested right and tapered for them. But the big target for me is Berlin. I'll be most happy to break 3'10 there way above any of the 2 above goals. Look at The Road Runner, even he is struggling to match 10k times with the marathon mileage in the legs. I think you said to me last year when I was trying to break 20 minutes for 5k just before DCM 'eyes on the big prize'- well that's very much my attitude here.
All That said I'll have a pop at the 10k in September (doing the lakes 10k) and will give the 10 miler a good lash next week which should be a good HM indicator. There is no point beating myself up if I don't make it in those races though, it's to be expected with the miles in the legs and I'll have a look at those other goals after Berlin. I'll certainly be lining up Waterford HM in December for a sub 1'30 (or better) attempt0 -
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Cheers Brian, I get where you are coming from. Maybe 11st is achievable, You are pretty much the same height and build as me at a guess. So I'll stick with it. Just the whole point of the weight loss challenge for me was to get back down to 'normal weight' (11.5stone).
Don't worry man, not offended at all.
I'm not racing DCM by the way (pacing it though).
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chinguetti wrote: »Must go back to the trivial stuff - Meno, whats your favourite colour?
Red and white - as long as it comes in a bottle of wine. Rose coloured if it's a really sunny day! 0 -
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