UPDATE: *Tesco Bakery Products may contain animal fats!!!*

sweet-rasmus

Erm, anyone know why meat is on their vegan list?!?!?!??

Meat F38C
20 British Beef Meatballs
Aberdeen Angus Peppered Rump Steak
Chilli Con Carne Burgers Filled With Soured Cream
Creamy Peppercorn Filled Burgers With Peppercorn Crust
Peppered Rump Steak Salt & Pepper Lamb Shoulder Joint

all vegan approved apparently!

Thoushaltnot

Maybe it's like the Simpson's episode when the McCartneys descend on Springfield and it turns out that the hot dogs Apu's been selling are made of tofu instead of meat...and nobody'd noticed.

Och, that list was fine in the Summer!

sweet-rasmus

I sent them a message about it. I'm sure they just mis-labelled the list.

Absurdum

Mellor wrote: »

It's probably shortening or lard used instead of butter (as its cheaper). I thought all bread/baked goodswould have milk or butter in it anyway, making it non-vegan-friendly (I could be wrong obviously)

have a look at this thread for some info
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055141428

some of it may have changed since though

i-digress

Hey, I got this reply from Tesco.

I'm pleased to hear that you shop in Tesco regularly but you're disappointed because you're unable to purchase from the bakery section as the ingredients aren't listed. I can appreciate the annoyance caused by this.

The store should have guide pages which do carry ingredients and allergen information for products. This information is provided to cover customers requests for information.

Customers with allergens should be made aware of the cross contamination risk within the in store bakery, this is not allowed for in the allergen information provided which only covers the ingredients in the product".

ISB Bread - Please note with ISB that we do handle non vegan products and we do use cheese in the ISB which will carry a risk of cross contamination.

However the following products from an ingredient point of view are Vegan.

Standard White products
Split tin 800g & 400g
Sandwich Tin 800g
Bloomers 400g & 800g
Tiger Bread 800g & 400g
Farmhouse 400g & 800g
4 large white baps
Soft white rolls
White finger rolls
White hot dog rolls
Seeded burger buns
White snack rolls
Scotch morning rolls
Plain baguette
Plain baton
Seeded baguette
Poppy Seed Baguette
Tiger baguette
Tiger rolls
Crusty white round rolls
Sandwich Baguette

Granary
Granary soft rolls
Malted Grain Tin 800
Granary Baguette
Granary Baton
Granary Torpedo

Finest Rustic Multigrain
Finest Rustic Multigrain 400g
Finest Rustic Multigrain 800g
Finest Rustic Multigrain Boule
Finest French Baguette & Baton

Wholemeal
Wholemeal bread tin 400g
Wholemeal bread tin 800g
Large wholemeal baps
Wholemeal soft rolls
Wholemeal baps
Wholemeal finger rolls

Organic
Organic White Tin 800g
Organic Wholemeal Tin 800g

Bagels

Sesame bagels
Plain Bagels

Stonebake
Stonebaked Baguette
800g Stonebaked Longue
Stonebaked Sourdough Bloomer

Finest French
Finest Baguette
Finest Baton
Finest Petit Pain
Kalamata Olive Bouchon

I hope this can be of some help to you and thank you for your enquiry.

sweet-rasmus

at last! thanks i-digress

sweet-rasmus

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

Erm, anyone know why meat is on their vegan list?!?!?!??

Meat F38C
20 British Beef Meatballs
Aberdeen Angus Peppered Rump Steak
Chilli Con Carne Burgers Filled With Soured Cream
Creamy Peppercorn Filled Burgers With Peppercorn Crust
Peppered Rump Steak Salt & Pepper Lamb Shoulder Joint

all vegan approved apparently!

M+S replied but they didn't seem to read the email. Ugh! I really would have expected better from them.

Marks and Spenser wrote:

Thanks for emailing us about our Diet list.

I'm sorry to hear that you're not happy with our website Diet list. I'd like to inform you that I've passed your comments to our website team, who are always keen to hear any feedback and suggestions from our customers so we can improve our service.

What I can also advise you on is that we regularly review and update our website and we are grateful for the comments and suggestions of our customers. Wherever possible, we make changes to the website based on what the feedback we receive.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I hope this information is helpful and may have a lovely day.

Mark Hamill

I just got the following reply from the FSAI:

FSAI wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thank you for contacting the Food Safety Authority of Ireland. The
reason for the derogation which exempts unpackaged food from the full
labelling requirements is that the food business selling the food can
provide information on ingredients etc at the customer's request. In
relation to your query the retailer selling unpackaged food should be
able to provide the list of ingredients on request.

Under current labelling legislation only the name of the food has to be
indicated either on the label or displayed near the name of the food.
However FSAI recommends that food sold without pre-packaging also
details the date of minimum durability, the presence of any allergenic
ingredients and the species of animal and meat content for meat
products.

Information on the allergens which require mandatory labelling can be
accessed on our website at: http://www.fsai.ie/faq/allergens.html


Regards,

Vanessa Cooling
Information Assistant

Food Safety Authority of Ireland
Tel: 01-8171336
Fax: 01-8171236
www.fsai.ie

Seemed to repeat what I read before, that the retailer should be able to supply ingredient lists for non pre-packaged foods. I have replied asking for clarification on that, asking if retailers have to supply ingredient lists when asked, or if they are allowed to deny that request.

Mark Hamill

i-digress wrote: »

Standard White products
Split tin 800g & 400g
Sandwich Tin 800g
Bloomers 400g & 800g
Tiger Bread 800g & 400g
Farmhouse 400g & 800g
4 large white baps
Soft white rolls
White finger rolls
White hot dog rolls
Seeded burger buns
White snack rolls
Scotch morning rolls
Plain baguette
Plain baton
Seeded baguette
Poppy Seed Baguette
Tiger baguette
Tiger rolls
Crusty white round rolls
Sandwich Baguette

Didn't I read someone here saying that they where told in their tesco that the tiger bread had l-cysteine in it, making it non vegan (and non vegie depending on source)?

bren33

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

True. Well, if they know there is demand for it, they might realise... one day.

If anyone wants to email customer.service@tesco.co.uk and add their concern, it would be a step in the right direction. (And yes, it's the address for Irish Tesco stores too)

go people power!

i-digress

'Didn't I read someone here saying that they where told in their tesco that the tiger bread had l-cysteine in it, making it non vegan (and non vegie depending on source)?'


Yeah, you did. Because that's the EXACT thought that went through my head when I got the email!

embraer170

I also contacted Tesco on this.

Let's see what they say.

Thoushaltnot

i-digress wrote: »

'Didn't I read someone here saying that they where told in their tesco that the tiger bread had l-cysteine in it, making it non vegan (and non vegie depending on source)?'


Yeah, you did. Because that's the EXACT thought that went through my head when I got the email!

Yup. Potentially non veg*n. The ingredients for Tiger loaf include "tiger paste" which contains "flour treatment agents (***, L-cysteine hydrochloride)".

As I said at the time, I just couldn't be @rsed re-mailing them to find out what the source of the l-cysteine hydrochloride was. It could be safe for veg*ns or it could be from sheeps wool/duck or chicken feathers or it could be from hair from the floor of chinese barber shops (keratin).

See 910/920 here;
http://www.veggieglobal.com/nutrition/non-vegetarian-food-additives.htm

Voltex

Breads from resco are produced, in the main, from Palm Oils, and Rapeseed Oils and all of wich are HVO free.
I havent seen animal fat used in bread for years....

Voltex

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

Yup. Potentially non veg*n. The ingredients for Tiger loaf include "tiger paste" which contains "flour treatment agents (***, L-cysteine hydrochloride)".

As I said at the time, I just couldn't be @rsed re-mailing them to find out what the source of the l-cysteine hydrochloride was. It could be safe for veg*ns or it could be from sheeps wool/duck or chicken feathers or it could be from hair from the floor of chinese barber shops (keratin).

See 910/920 here;
http://www.veggieglobal.com/nutrition/non-vegetarian-food-additives.htm

L-Cystine is whats refered to as a "reducing agent". It basically helps relax bread doughs, making them flow, and allows greater extensibility. Common ingredient in bread and totally inert.

ztoical

Voltex wrote: »

Common ingredient in bread and totally inert.

I'm not sure what you mean by "inert" in context of this thread.... L-cysteine hydrochloride can be extracted from duck and chicken feathers, human hair or animal hair or it can be synthetically produced from coal tar.

Mark Hamill

So I got a reply from the FSAI about wether retailers are required to have ingredient lists for non-prepackaged food:

Hi Mark,

They are required to have this information on site in order to answer customer queries regarding the ingredients. If you are having difficulty getting information from a retail outlet I can give you the contact details for the local environmental health section. They can check to ensure that the retailer has all of the relevant information on site.

regards,

Vanessa Cooling
Information Assistant

Food Safety Authority of Ireland
Tel: 01-8171336
Fax: 01-8171236
www.fsai.ie

So it seems like retailers do have to have the ingredient information on site so they can give it out when asked for, and that the local enviromental health section can be contacted if there are issues. I would imagine that they cant even use the excuse that ingredients change according to season, as they would still be required to know what they are putting into their food regardless of how often they change the recipe.
A good response, I think.

Nunubird

Re the M&S vegan list, I also noticed teacakes and doughnuts I'd be delighted if both were vegan but I have my doubts.