Mother gets 6 years for drink driving causing death

Shelga

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1006/carberrym.html

I don't care if she 'suffered from an addiction to alcohol from an early age'.

I don't care if she has to live with her guilt for the rest of her life.

6 years for effectively murdering 2 children and seriously injuring 2 others is disgraceful. She was banned from driving at the time of the crash, she was warned by others in the pub that she was unfit to drive, and she still did it.

These stories make me so angry. Why do drunk drivers consistently get such light sentences? What is the reasoning behind it? It's not as though they don't know the dangers when they get behind the wheel. She'll probably be out in 3-4 years. Sick of reading about this stuff. Any thoughts? :mad:

Rant over.

Yakult

should be banned for life from driving too.

TheZohanS

R_H_C_P wrote: »

should be banned for life from driving too.

She was.

TPD

That really is ridiculous. I think a fairer sentence would be around 20 years in prison, and straight back to prison if she ever touches a drop of alcohol again. No driving ever again of course.

Jaeger 90

Why would you call something murder when its clearly not?

Is it that you cant actually make the distinction or you just think people should be tried on crimes based on public reaction.

orestes

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this weeks bleeding heart liberals -vs- hard line disciplinarians After Hours thread.

We tried, but we couldn't find any cases of a paedophile getting released from prison early unfortunately, so we have decided to go with a nice mix of dead children, drink-driving, alcoholism and a sentence that is guaranteed to cause outrage in some, so we feel that this mix should give everyone more than enough material to work with, there's something in there for everyone.

Be sure to come back next week, we're trying to get Myra Hindley released from prison on humanitarian grounds for that one to really get a shit-storm going, fingers crossed.

DonJose

R_H_C_P wrote: »

should be banned for life from driving too.

should be banned for life from after hours too.

Not only did she drive drunk with her children in the car. She also had 4 kids in the car so it is safe to assume they did not have seatbelts never mind car seats. There is no mention of what charges her 'friend' Logan faces. She, in my opinion, is just as guilty.

The only thing I will add is that she is facing a life sentence knowing her actions caused the death of her own child.

orourkeda

the last 2 years of the 6 year sentence are suspended.

She'll be out in 3 years tops.

sam34

orestes wrote: »

Be sure to come back next week, we're trying to get Myra Hindley released from prison on humanitarian grounds for that one to really get a shit-storm going, fingers crossed.

emm, didnt she die a few years ago??

The Big Red Button

What a disgusting, selfish human being.

Anyone know what's the story with her surviving child/children? I would hope she won't get custody of them when she gets out of jail.

And I agree that the other mother of the other child was pretty much every bit as guilty, she should be charged as well.

walshb

She's a toe-rag, plain and simple. She may not have set out to kill, but her actions
and her lack of respect and consideration caused two deaths and that is despicable.

Hey, she could have not driven, or driven and simply left the kids with someone, she didn't have to take those kids to their deaths. She did, and in doing so, she deserves about 15 years in Jail. She had to know the risk and danger involved.

Mitch Connor

sam34 wrote: »

emm, didnt she die a few years ago??

so she ain't in prison any more? FFS....

Bandit12

Deleted User wrote: »

Not only did she drive drunk with her children in the car. She also had 4 kids in the car so it is safe to assume they did not have seatbelts never mind car seats. There is no mention of what charges her 'friend' Logan faces. She, in my opinion, is just as guilty.

The only thing I will add is that she is facing a life sentence knowing her actions caused the death of her own child.

She could'nt have loved her kids that much if she was prepered to get into as car piss drunk and drive around with them.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

The only thing I will add is that she is facing a life sentence knowing her actions caused the death of her own child.

Well, one could say that she obviously didn't give a flying **** about her child. You know, not all women like or love their children.

humanji

sam34 wrote: »

emm, didnt she die a few years ago??

That's what makes it controversial!

Bandit12

Bandit12 wrote: »

She could'nt have loved her kids that much if she was prepered to get into as car piss drunk and drive around with them.

Look I agree with you, people driving around with kids unbelted makes my blood boil, and the one thing I always say about them is "they must not love their children very much". But at the end of the day, it's not that easy to say she didn't love her child. I would imagine that she was totally devastated by what happened and will have nightmares about it for the rest of her life. That doesn't make her any less guilty but it is something to consider.

Lollipops23

Sick individual.

The worst part is that she was told she was unfit to drive and told them to eff off. Selfish,disgusting person, she never deserved to be a mother.

I reckon drink driving should carry heavier sentences anyway, this just proves the point. 6 years(if that) for killing 2 innocent kids and putiing 2 more in danger.

starbelgrade

The sentences handed out for drink driving offences in Ireland are extremely leniant. There should be a mandatory jail sentence for anyone caught driving over the limit, and much tougher sentences for those who cause injury or death to others.

The drink drive culture in Ireland has lessened in Ireland in recent years, but in most towns & villages around the country, it is still a very common thing.

-Leelo-

Shelga wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1006/carberrym.html

I don't care if she 'suffered from an addiction to alcohol from an early age'.

I don't care if she has to live with her guilt for the rest of her life.

6 years for effectively murdering 2 children and seriously injuring 2 others is disgraceful. She was banned from driving at the time of the crash, she was warned by others in the pub that she was unfit to drive, and she still did it.

These stories make me so angry. Why do drunk drivers consistently get such light sentences? What is the reasoning behind it? It's not as though they don't know the dangers when they get behind the wheel. She'll probably be out in 3-4 years. Sick of reading about this stuff. Any thoughts? :mad:

Rant over.

Feel the exact same, my cousin was killed last year by a drunk driver, he was only 20 Now I couldn't give a crap if they want to smash themselves off a wall, but the selfish ****s don't consider the innocent people they put at risk. :mad:

TheZohanS

walshb wrote: »

Well, one could say that she obviously didn't give a flying **** about her child. You know, not all women like or love their children.

True, but forever more she is going to be known as the drunk woman that killed her own child. People won't let her forget, there'll always be whispers, stares and pointing no matter where she goes in this country.

And rightly so.

Stark

Did anyone see the picture of her on the 9 o'clock news?

Milf.

TheZohanS

Stark wrote: »

Did anyone see the picture of her on the 9 o'clock news?

Milf.

Murderer I'd Like to Fry.

Jaeger 90

TheZohan wrote: »

Murderer I'd Like to Fry.

'I want people to thank my posts because i feel inadequate in life'

eviltwin

I remember reading this story in the paper when it happened and thinking "poor woman, losing her child is punishment enough" but thats before I read the details of what happened that day

Bad enough she did this with her own child in the car but someone elses??? I know sometimes its possible to think you can drive when you're not really capable and god knows I'm sure we've all done something like driven while under the influence or tired or whatever.

But she was suspended from driving, had been necking bottles most of the day and her lack of ability was pointed out to her by complete strangers and she tells them to "mind their own business"...what could have been going through her head.

I'm a mother myself but I find it really hard to be sorry for her given the circumstances involved...I prefer to reserve my sympathy for the parents of the other child who must be devestated and feel so let down by the justice system

Epic Tissue

nahm!

TheZohanS

Jaeger 90 wrote: »

'I want people to thank my posts because i feel inadequate in life'

Chin up Jaeger, I'm sure your feelings of inadequacies will pass after you have the LC under your belt and you leave home.

I'll thank your post to get you through the next few hours.

K-9

Why did nobody bother ringing the Guards after she left the Hotel?

The Big Red Button

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a mother myself but I find it really hard to be sorry for her given the circumstances involved...I prefer to reserve my sympathy for the parents of the other child who must be devestated and feel so let down by the justice system

Well, don't forget that the mother of the other child was also in the car, and well aware of how drunk the driver was!

thomond2006

Shelga wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1006/carberrym.html

I don't care if she 'suffered from an addiction to alcohol from an early age'.

I don't care if she has to live with her guilt for the rest of her life.

6 years for effectively murdering 2 children and seriously injuring 2 others is disgraceful. She was banned from driving at the time of the crash, she was warned by others in the pub that she was unfit to drive, and she still did it.

These stories make me so angry. Why do drunk drivers consistently get such light sentences? What is the reasoning behind it? It's not as though they don't know the dangers when they get behind the wheel. She'll probably be out in 3-4 years. Sick of reading about this stuff. Any thoughts? :mad:

Rant over.

+1

All hail the Irish Justice System. :rolleyes:

Dyr

And some toerag stabs a fella to death and just gets an eight year sentence for it, then you have a kiddie fiddling novelist who gets no jailtime for aggravated assault on a 15 year old because our judges would never send one of their own down. Great legal system we have.

dyl10

I actually became angry watching this on the news.
Stupid fcuking system, I wish they served her 20 years inside.
Drunk driving on a suspended licence killing two kids, I had more respect for the scissor sisters.

donmeister

Epic Tissue wrote: »

nahm!

its catching on! :cool:

eamo88

some very ignorant comments about this story. clearly not murder. without knowing the woman in question how could you possibly know the effect this has had on her. obviously she shouldn't have drank and drove with children in the car but i would say its morre likely than not that she has suffered most. who knows how much she loved her child and i feel sorry for her

Dyr

eamo88 wrote: »

some very ignorant comments about this story. clearly not murder. without knowing the woman in question how could you possibly know the effect this has had on her. obviously she shouldn't have drank and drove with children in the car but i would say its morre likely than not that she has suffered most. who knows how much she loved her child and i feel sorry for her

She suffered more than the kids that were killed or injured? I couldnt care less what effect it had on her, I know what effect it had on those kids.

orestes

eamo88 wrote: »

who knows how much she loved her child

I do.

Not enough.

eamo88

sorry suffered most is wrong. meant she has probably suffered a lot

dyl10

eamo88 wrote: »

sorry suffered most is wrong. meant she has probably suffered a lot

I'm sure she has and will suffer a lot more, but seeing as guilt is a natural human reaction, don't most killers?

eamo88

the judge made a point of describing her as a 'good mother'. unusual for a judge to make such a comment in those circumstances. an action bad as it was doesn't make her murderer as was suggested

TheZohanS

eamo88 wrote: »

the judge made a point of describing her as a 'good mother'. unusual for a judge to make such a comment in those circumstances. an action bad as it was doesn't make her murderer as was suggested

It would in some US states.

Here.

eamo88

its not america. im sure equally there would be other jurisdictions that would prehaps take more account of the loss she has suffered although admittedlty through her own fault

Loopy

I met this woman a couple of times, she lived next door to one of my mates. Crazy bitch, drunk at all hours of the day.. Gorgeous little kids too..
Ironically, she had been dry for a couple of months before the crash. My mate said the funeral was the saddest thing she has seen - as the Mother was totally ignored and not one person apparently comforted her..

netwhizkid

Hypothetically speaking, lets just imagine for one second that it was a man that did this? Would he get six years? (realistically 2.5 - 3) would he get sympathy? Would he have already suffered enough? I could nearly guarantee he would get a minimum of 15 to 20 years. Sickening case and she should have got more.

consultech

If a man did this the fúcking book would be fastballed at him.

eamo88

i knew her too. she was mad in ways or more precisely she was an alcoholic. some people call it a disease. the kids were great and beautiful but fact is the mother had made them into great kids and she loved them a lot. a tragedy

eamo88

if a father did this to one of his own he would have got a similiar sentence from the same judge. parents in the area knew them as lovely kids

Dudess

What a horrifically sad case...

TheZohanS

eamo88 wrote: »

i knew her too. she was mad in ways or more precisely she was an alcoholic. some people call it a disease. the kids were great and beautiful but fact is the mother had made them into great kids and she loved them a lot. a tragedy

She was a selfish b!tch that killed her kids through her own selfishness. There are lots of alcoholics In Ireland and the majority of they would not do what she did.

She deserves to rot in hell.

It's tragedy that the poor kids weren't taken off her before all this happened.

She was an unfit mother.

argosy2006

i hope at least she gets help in prison,, just to throw her in jail to rot and to come out in 4 years crazier than before puts others at risk of her, least she has a light at end of tunnel 4 years not a life time, its a long time behind bars though,, if the people most affected by her acts can forgive her eventually ,then shouldnt society too? not saying that they will forgive, but if:eek:

eamo88

in hindsight they should have been taken off her but to say let her rot in hell is ignorant, unchristian etc etc. you only know what you read in an article so in all fairness you are speaking from ignorance. i know she was a good mother who hadn't drank for 6 months prior to this

TheZohanS

eamo88 wrote: »

in hindsight they should have been taken off her but to say let her rot in hell is ignorant, unchristian etc etc. you only know what you read in an article so in all fairness you are speaking from ignorance. i know she was a good mother who hadn't drank for 6 months prior to this

I can live with that, I'm not a christian. But eventhough I'm not a christian I do have morals, that sad excuse for a human being had none.

A "good mother" would have put her kids first or at least ensured they were out of harms way when she went on her binge.

She was a bad mother.