anyone any luck on their new licenses yet?

stevoman

I want my new shotgun and i want it now goddammit! I left my my application on 09/09/2009 and i havnt even got a letter that its been received yet and the guards told me two weeks ago their system is up and running.

it really would be a gift to get out shooting for the start of this season with my new gun.

cavan shooter

I suggest you give them a ring and ask I have heard rumours that they havent started inputting the new information

foxhunter

cavan shooter wrote: »

I suggest you give them a ring and ask I have heard rumours that they havent started inputting the new information

I've heard the same rumour today and also that the post office wont be ready for months yet to accept payments.

stevoman

foxhunter wrote: »

I've heard the same rumour today and also that the post office wont be ready for months yet to accept payments.

oh good god :rolleyes:

.17hmr

stevoman wrote: »

I want my new shotgun and i want it now goddammit! I left my my application on 09/09/2009 and i havnt even got a letter that its been received yet and the guards told me two weeks ago their system is up and running.

it really would be a gift to get out shooting for the start of this season with my new gun.

same boat as your self ,only mine is a rifle:mad: so i got my self a 09 springer to keep ma self going :D;)

It wasn't me!

A shaggin' joke. I want my deer-buster.

Cass

+1

Using my target rifle for the deer. Want my new one.:eek:

Grizzly 45

Watch out for extensions til Jan 2010,methinks.

Cass

Have been told "no way in hell will you have licence by 31st October" so i'd say you're on the right track there Grizzly

bunnybuster

Ive heard from someone in the know,that NO licenes will be issued before NOVEMBER, hope this is wrong as also want to get my new gun

A Country Voice

are ye talkin about guns ye have already and "renewing" (i know that might not be technically correct), or new guns.
I'm buying a shotgun off a guy, it'll be a new license for me, I have another firearm already licensed and extended till may 2010.
No letter of receipt yet, almost a month since I dropped in the application, maybe I should give the local cop shop a shout and see if theres any progress.
Has anyone been issued a license since the 1st of August anywhere in the country???

A Country Voice

.17hmr

stevoman wrote: »

I want my new shotgun and i want it now goddammit! I left my my application on 09/09/2009 and i havnt even got a letter that its been received yet and the guards told me two weeks ago their system is up and running.

it really would be a gift to get out shooting for the start of this season with my new gun.

well just had detective at the door looking at ma safe.asked where i use to live told him the 8 differnt addresses he wrote them all down asked where the misses was from and wrote it down,iasked how long i have to wait now ,he has to look me up send it to the boss who sends it to dublin who sends it back to letterkenny so fcuk knows how long thats gona be but still the ball is rolling:)

murph226

This is a joke, if there was new legislation preventing football matches from being played or stopping a rally from going ahead there would be blue murder!

As usual the shooting community gets shafted and put on the long finger!

Rant over!:mad:

moose112

F/O was onto to me last week about my moderator, not messing probably the soundest guy i have ever came across he only new to the position in my area feel pretty lucky to be honest.:D

jwshooter

moose112 wrote: »

F/O was onto to me last week about my moderator, not messing probably the soundest guy i have ever came across he only new to the position in my area feel pretty lucky to be honest.:D

WTF is this great the nargc doing .

Cass

A Country Voice wrote: »

are ye talkin about guns ye have already and "renewing" (i know that might not be technically correct), or new guns.

For me its a new hunting rifle. So its in the shop till i get my new licence.

Has anyone been issued a license since the 1st of August anywhere in the country???

A Country Voice

No. Not possible as the system only came online 2 - 3 weks ago.

moose112

jwshooter wrote: »

WTF is this great the nargc doing .

?????????????

stevoman

got a call from my FO last night just asking me was it a new shotgun license or a renewal. Tolf him it was a new one, but i already have another gun. Must have only got around to looking at it last night ebven though i left the application in a month ago.

I asked him would i have my license for the start of November, he said he honestly didnt know.

Will the guards be calling to every house to inspect gun safes i wonder?

A Country Voice

ezridax wrote: »

For me its a new hunting rifle. So its in the shop till i get my new licence.



No. Not possible as the system only came online 2 - 3 weks ago.

Of course its possible!!
If the system has been "online" for 2-3 weeks what have they been doing for the 2-3weeks?
How long does it take to have a look at a guys paperwork, maybe ring the local cop to ask if the guy is a psycho, then if he's not, get the letter printed off with the bit to take to the post office to pay for the license, and then send out the license to him on payment.
Sounds like about 5-10mins work to get the letter of approval out and then its up to the applicant to go to the post office.
Or maybe all the supers are busy travelling around to race meetings and long lunches, and browsing french curtain shops like other prominent public servants

Playing devils advoate here:

A little bit of patience might be called for - the guards themselves are not that familiar with new system and there will be a lot more back and forth between various people about applications this time around.

Its a new system, there will be mistakes and your local FAO mightn't have all the answers. Don't forget - we aren't the only thing going on at the moment.

I would also, if possible, try and seperate out the very recent DISTURBING NEWS, that comes from the very top, not from your local guards. Perhaps a little bit of help, support and patience from shooters at the moment (I know its a difficult time) will go a lot further then just bitching at your local guard, who more then likely has less info then you do.

My .2c anyways

Cass

A Country Voice wrote: »

Of course its possible!!
If the system has been "online" for 2-3 weeks what have they been doing for the 2-3weeks?

I'll rephase it. From 1st of August till 15th September it wasn't possible. From 15th September onwards it is. Why its taking so long. I don't know. New system, lack of training, not all aspects up and running fully.

foxshooter243

ezridax wrote: »

I'll rephase it. From 1st of August till 15th September it wasn't possible. From 15th September onwards it is. Why its taking so long. I don't know. New system, lack of training, not all aspects up and running fully.

plus- garda not giving a toss!, dragging their feet over pay cuts!, seeing this as them now making up the law instead of enforcers of! and some having a general disdain of gunowners and looking for some payback! yep theres a lot of ingredients in this pie methinks:(

johngalway

29th September I think was when I put in my application, it's on a thread here somewhere. Point being, Garda told me they'd not even been briefed about the new system up to that point, so sure, they can accept applications, but I get the distinct feeling they file them ontop of a desk somewhere until someone who knows what to do will be trained on it.

Yesterday, same Garda phoned me about one point on my shotgun license, seems only then had he gotten around to looking at it after promising to "get it in" the day I submitted it.

I'm with those who "don't give a feck" at this point, it's gone on for so long as to be tiresome.

foxshooter243

johngalway wrote: »

29th September I think was when I put in my application, it's on a thread here somewhere. Point being, Garda told me they'd not even been briefed about the new system up to that point, so sure, they can accept applications, but I get the distinct feeling they file them ontop of a desk somewhere until someone who knows what to do will be trained on it.

Yesterday, same Garda phoned me about one point on my shotgun license, seems only then had he gotten around to looking at it after promising to "get it in" the day I submitted it.

I'm with those who "don't give a feck" at this point, it's gone on for so long as to be tiresome.

John i was quite surprised when handing in mines , the guy was well versed with the new legislation , but that hasnt translated into actions and I havent heard a thing from them since, nor know of anyone in my area who has.:)

A Country Voice

johngalway wrote: »

29th September I think was when I put in my application, it's on a thread here somewhere. Point being, Garda told me they'd not even been briefed about the new system up to that point, so sure, they can accept applications, but I get the distinct feeling they file them ontop of a desk somewhere until someone who knows what to do will be trained on it.

Yesterday, same Garda phoned me about one point on my shotgun license, seems only then had he gotten around to looking at it after promising to "get it in" the day I submitted it.

I'm with those who "don't give a feck" at this point, it's gone on for so long as to be tiresome.

Yeah, I spose the don't give a feck attitude is the only way to go at this stage. Might as well just forget about the thing. Maybe sometime between now and Xmas somethin might arrive in the post, maybe not :mad:

Hezz700

I dropped in a application for a new .308 over six weeks ago and i got a call from the sarg last thursday asking me to pop in and clarify some details. When i was there he told me that his first batch would be sent off sometime this week to HQ for scrutiny. :eek:

so i would'nt be holding my breath.:(

Anyway this is a new system and they are only human(allegedly), so a bit of patience won't go astray.;)

johngalway

Hezz700 wrote: »

Anyway this is a new system and they are only human(allegedly), so a bit of patience won't go astray.;)

I'll agree with that (until some other calamity or other comes along lol). I reckon quite a lot of the cops we're dealing with are just as pissed off as we are, they get a ton more paperwork to input to an unfamiliar system, soooo many headaches for them. Thing to remember, even though it is part of their job, probably a lot of them aren't the remotest bit interested in shooting so it'd be dull as dishwater.

clivej

Hezz700 wrote: »

I dropped in a application for a new .308 over six weeks ago and i got a call from the sarg last thursday asking me to pop in and clarify some details. When i was there he told me that his first batch would be sent off sometime this week to HQ for scrutiny. :eek:

so i would'nt be holding my breath.:(

Anyway this is a new system and they are only human(allegedly), so a bit of patience won't go astray.;)

BULL SH!te of the highest order here. It's only a simple database system of people's details that any first year college grad could complete.

And the data input is there in front of the FO's, off the new forms if they have the ability to type.

rrpc

clivej wrote: »

BULL SH!te of the highest order here. It's only a simple database system of people's details that any first year college grad could complete.

And the data input is there in front of the FO's, off the new forms if they have the ability to type.

Hold on to your cattle there Clive , these guys aren't you or college grads either and you might want to have a look at a few threads here where people who supposedly know about their firearms and the system are asking some very basic questions.

And we've got any amount of data out there to educate people, so pointing fingers at the boys (and girls) in blue is not really fair.

jwshooter

rrpc wrote: »

Hold on to your cattle there Clive , these guys aren't you or college grads either and you might want to have a look at a few threads here where people who supposedly know about their firearms and the system are asking some very basic questions.

And we've got any amount of data out there to educate people, so pointing fingers at the boys (and girls) in blue is not really fair.

more bull sxit ,this was not sprung on them a week ago .

PS .there were so keen to be seen to do something against gun crime they lobbed us in with the criminals in the country and rushed through a bill that was not properly Set up in the first place .
this time next year would be time enough to bring it in .
has the licence format even been decided on yet.

clive applied last may or so there is hundreds like him ,every RFD in the counrty is suffering people with families to feed .

so not fair my hairy ass.

johngalway

jwshooter wrote: »

more bull sxit ,this was not sprung on them a week ago .

True. But, while we've had however long to read up and discuss, as I said earlier, my local Garda hadn't even been briefed. So I would hold on taking out frustration on the front line who're taking in the applications.

The system and how it was rolled out is an obvious problem, sod all the ordinary Garda can do to influence that.

jwshooter

johngalway wrote: »

True. But, while we've had however long to read up and discuss, as I said earlier, my local Garda hadn't even been briefed. So I would hold on taking out frustration on the front line who're taking in the applications.

The system and how it was rolled out is an obvious problem, sod all the ordinary Garda can do to influence that.

why do local gardai not have Internet access, to familiarize themselves with whats happening.

they might not be able to process until this week .that's no excuse for laziness.

people have spent hard earned money for firearms ,club membership ,or hunting .

johngalway

jwshooter wrote: »

why do local gardai not have Internet access, to familiarize themselves with whats happening.

they might not be able to process until this week .that's no excuse for laziness.

people have spent hard earned money for firearms ,club membership ,or hunting .

Same reason as anyone else doing a job in this country JW, they're not getting paid for it. Simple as that. They're rostered for duties, sent on patrols, supervise blasting, done the elections, various tax forms for cars and tractors off the road etc.

It's up to the people above them or organise, train and roll things out and they've done a bad job of that, but it's not the fault of the local cop IMO, he or she is at the bottom of the food chain doing what they're told when they're told.

No one takes on extra work for no pay anymore, those days are long long since gone.

Cass

I get your point John but you missed a few duties in your list, one of them being the licencing of firearms. Its the Gardai's responsibility to control the issuing of licences. Everyone is suffering paycuts and while i feel for their plight they still have a job to do.

The fact that they are not trained up properly is the fault of the higher ups but the Gardai as a whole have had more time and greater access to the information surrounding every aspect of the new laws and procedures. The fact that they were not trained and the information did not get spread to all stations at the same time and in a timely manner should not have affected everyone applying for their licences. ( I know thats kinda moot as its happened)

clivej

Lets face it the Local Garda were never doing the licenses anyway they just forwarded them on to the head office and what ever Super was in charge in the head office.
It's only a Garda with the training (and Internet access) that can input the data to THE SYSTEM.

RRPC I know these Guys are not college grads but the people behind the making and implimenting of THE SYSTEM are and therefore they should have made sure it was working correctly in the first place.

You don't go and buy new software for your PC and get told that it will work sometime soon (or never) but keep waiting. 'To Be Sure it'll be alright' is not an attitude to take nor eccept from these guy's.

JW I applied on the 1st April and it's getting on for 6 months now. So far I have invested around €2000 on a rifle that I have yet to get a license for.


And that not including all the time I have wasted in trying to get the license issued.

It wasn't me!

clivej wrote: »

JW I applied on the 1st April and it's getting on for 6 months now.

Maybe they thought you were trying to be funny.

clivej

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Maybe they thought you were trying to be funny.

And that would be funny if it didn't hurt soooooooooooooooooooo much

This is what they all need to get them all motivated, there's one for every FO in the country.

kay 9

If the gardai, spent more time doing what they are supposed to such as processing firearm certificates and applications, instead of accusing people of running a red light that was actually green:mad::mad:..Do they know the sequence and meanings of traffic lights i wonder to myself God...what a force we have:rolleyes:




Ps. sorry for rambling, gf is sick of it so people likeminded may understand my frustration a little better;)

johngalway

ezridax wrote: »

I get your point John but you missed a few duties in your list, one of them being the licencing of firearms. Its the Gardai's responsibility to control the issuing of licences. Everyone is suffering paycuts and while i feel for their plight they still have a job to do.

The fact that they are not trained up properly is the fault of the higher ups but the Gardai as a whole have had more time and greater access to the information surrounding every aspect of the new laws and procedures. The fact that they were not trained and the information did not get spread to all stations at the same time and in a timely manner should not have affected everyone applying for their licences. ( I know thats kinda moot as its happened)

That kinda was my point

jwshooter

around hear is you want a bouncy castle ,load of sand, a mini bus.chances are one of the local Sargent's would be doing it.

you just cant defend the actions of the minister and gardai on this botch up.

des crofton was right when he said ,we suspect some one in temple-more is removing there brains when they sleep.

head less,leader less chickens running around the place.

ranger4

jwshooter wrote: »

around hear is you want a bouncy castle ,load of sand, a mini bus.chances are one of the local Sargent's would be doing it.

you just cant defend the actions of the minister and gardai on this botch up.

des crofton was right when he said ,we suspect some one in temple-more is removing there brains when they sleep.

head less,leader less chickens running around the place.

Agree, they wouldnt be able to organize a piss up in a brewery.

Hezz700

clivej wrote: »

BULL SH!te of the highest order here. It's only a simple database system of people's details that any first year college grad could complete.

And the data input is there in front of the FO's, off the new forms if they have the ability to type.

Hold on there just one sec Clive.

Firstly i'm in the same boat as you, i have a new application which has been going no where since this whole ball started rolling. So i get your frustration, but i know for a fact that its not as black and white as inputing info into a PC.

Case in point:

My local sub station in open for business one day a week(thursday 1pm till 10pm)

This station has only one Garda sargent assigned to it.

There are a little over 900 licencees in the area(many like myself mulitable owners)

What percentage of these applications do you reckon in your wisdom arrive properly completed with no need for a follow up of some discription?????

The Sargent is the first to tell you that he hasn't got a clue about, nor an interest in firearms.

So what do you think this all adds up to.......

I know your not wet behind the ears Clive, but seriously did you think this whole thing was going to go smoothly?

Hez

johngalway

I'm waiting on a HMR license since July 17th by the way.

clivej

Hezz700 wrote: »

Hold on there just one sec Clive.

Firstly i'm in the same boat as you, i have a new application which has been going no where since this whole ball started rolling. So i get your frustration, but i know for a fact that its not as black and white as inputing info into a PC.

Case in point:

My local sub station in open for business one day a week(thursday 1pm till 10pm)

This station has only one Garda sargent assigned to it.

There are a little over 900 licencees in the area(many like myself mulitable owners)

What percentage of these applications do you reckon in your wisdom arrive properly completed with no need for a follow up of some discription?????

The Sargent is the first to tell you that he hasn't got a clue about, nor an interest in firearms.

So what do you think this all adds up to.......

I know your not wet behind the ears Clive, but seriously did you think this whole thing was going to go smoothly?

Hez

Thanks for the nod.

BUT I applied before April, the FO dated the application April 1.
It then sat on the Supers desk until a arranged a meeting with the Super, in August (after getting run-around for months), who amitted he was at fault. Then I had to complete the new system form BECAUSE it was left for so long.

As I said €2000 spent and still no license.

So you tell me who/whom is to blame???????????

I did my part correctly and made sure all the forms were right.

Hezz700

clivej wrote: »

Thanks for the nod.

Your quite welcome

BUT I applied before April, the FO dated the application April 1.
It then sat on the Supers desk until a arranged a meeting with the Super, in August (after getting run-around for months), who amitted he was at fault. Then I had to complete the new system form BECAUSE it was left for so long.

I feel your pain

As I said €2000 spent and still no license.

So you tell me who/whom is to blame???????????

I did my part correctly and made sure all the forms were right.

Sorry i could'nt reply sooner but i've been outta range for a few days.:)

Who to blame???? Blame won't make you feel any better! will it? Alot of these guys were totally clueless as regards the new and system and i would wager that a great proportion of them would'nt regard firearm licencing as high on their daily to do list.

I'm not going to get involved in one of these protracted arguments with you that seems to be in vogue around here cos it ain't gonna solve jacksh1t, make you feel any better and i haven't get the inclination.

All i will say is this, all this crap will be worth it in the end, we just gotta give it till mid 2010 and the teething problems will be ironed out. it still won't be the perfect setup but surely it's vast improvment on what went before.

P.s next time i see you down at midlands i gonna give you a great big hug weather you like it or not

Hezz

clivej

Hezz700 wrote: »

Sorry i could'nt reply sooner but i've been outta range for a few days.:)

Who to blame???? Blame won't make you feel any better! will it? Alot of these guys were totally clueless as regards the new and system and i would wager that a great proportion of them would'nt regard firearm licencing as high on their daily to do list.

I'm not going to get involved in one of these protracted arguments with you that seems to be in vogue around here cos it ain't gonna solve jacksh1t, make you feel any better and i haven't get the inclination.

All i will say is this, all this crap will be worth it in the end, we just gotta give it till mid 2010 and the teething problems will be ironed out. it still won't be the perfect setup but surely it's vast improvment on what went before.

P.s next time i see you down at midlands i gonna give you a great big hug weather you like it or not

Hezz

Agree with the not getting into a handbag fight with anyone BUT boy is it good to let off same steam now and then.

Looking forward to the hug I need it I'll be there tomorrow.

It's not the local country cop shop open from 6pm - 7pm,
You would think it would be a lot different when your dealing with a deadicated FO who is appointed to sort all this sh!te out - as I am. I'm dealing with the county station directly. But it's not.

But then she still has to wait on the Super to say yay or nay.

rrpc

clivej wrote: »

Lets face it the Local Garda were never doing the licenses anyway they just forwarded them on to the head office and what ever Super was in charge in the head office.
It's only a Garda with the training (and Internet access) that can input the data to THE SYSTEM.

The pulse system isn't accessable on the internet and a great many stations around the country don't have internet access anyway.

RRPC I know these Guys are not college grads but the people behind the making and implimenting of THE SYSTEM are and therefore they should have made sure it was working correctly in the first place.

Accenture as far as I know were the people behind the Pulse system. And what system have you worked with that automatically updates itself for new data input fields?

You don't go and buy new software for your PC and get told that it will work sometime soon (or never) but keep waiting. 'To Be Sure it'll be alright' is not an attitude to take nor eccept from these guy's.

Yes you do, it's called Microsoft Windows and people buy it every day of the week, and then buy the fixes and the fixes for the fixes.....

JW I applied on the 1st April and it's getting on for 6 months now. So far I have invested around €2000 on a rifle that I have yet to get a license for.

Did you not ask your NGB for assistance in progressing your application. I'm sure they'd be happy to.

clivej

rrpc wrote: »

Did you not ask your NGB for assistance in progressing your application. I'm sure they'd be happy to.

And the NARGC and FPU directly who said all was good and quote - (I still have the E-mail from the FPU)

".......This application is signed and winging its way to computer section......................all sorted now"

Dated 29th July

Meanwhile nearly 10 weeks later and after having to reapply with the new form

I'm still waiting


Look I'm just on a rant here and pissed off over it all.
If I can't bitch here on this forum then I'll pack up and leave. :eek: :cool:

rrpc

clivej wrote: »

Look I'm just on a rant here and pissed off over it all.
If I can't bitch here on this forum then I'll pack up and leave. :eek: :cool:

OK, fair enough; everyone is entitled to a good rant.

Though an email on 29th July saying your licence was on its way....

jwshooter

rrpc wrote: »

OK, fair enough; everyone is entitled to a good rant.

Though an email on 29th July saying your licence was on its way....

so is christmas

rrpc

jwshooter wrote: »

so is christmas

Whooosh!

Edit: OK, maybe that was a bit obscure. What I meant is that the expiry date of the old licence was 31st July, so a licence issued on the 29th?

Oh never mind