3e moving to 105 on Sky?

PacMan

I must be one of the few people who actually watch this channel. I dont watch expose, but 3e does have some great american imports. Personally,I dont think the channel itself deserves the public service tagline, as someone else mentioned. I do however enjoy a lot of the channels programmes.:pac:

Mossy Monk

Cupart wrote: »

Also, shouldn't RTE1, 2 and TG4 be FTV and not encrypted on the Sky platform as they are "public broadcast service channels" (how that works with adverts is a different topic :rolleyes:)? All are broadcasted via 2D so the footprint is tight and auntie B does it. Yeah, I know it all comes down to copyrighted material etc...

You answered your own question.

You should do some research on PSB's across Europe and you will find most have adverts too.

Elmo

PacMan wrote: »

I must be one of the few people who actually watch this channel. I dont watch expose, but 3e does have some great american imports. Personally,I dont think the channel itself deserves the public service tagline, as someone else mentioned. I do however enjoy a lot of the channels programmes.:pac:

People do watch the channel. But how exactly is it Public Service Broadcasting? How many extra Irish people are employed at the channel.

More people watch Living, Sky One, and Comedy Centra should they not be considered Public service broadcasting and they have some good imports as well.

Are good american imports the only reason to be considered public service broadcasting? All of which could be shown on TV3.

PacMan

Elmo wrote: »

People do watch the channel. But how exactly is it Public Service Broadcasting?

Elmo, I agree with your comments regarding 3e being... or in this case, shouldnt be classified as a public service broadcaster.:pac:

Elmo

PacMan wrote: »

Elmo, I agree with your comments regarding 3e being... or in this case, shouldnt be classified as a public service broadcaster.:pac:

Sorry I didn't read the n't at the end of don't

Linku

Shame, 3e is rubbish, I was hoping Sky1 HD would get moved to a lower position, or 105 given to RTÉ One+1 or RTÉ HD. Why can't Sky launch a HD only EPG with HD versions of channels replacing the SD ones?

ynotdu

MarkK wrote: »

That's a bit of an exaggeration, It was only necessary in some homes.
36 UHF was usually the preset "channel out" for VCRs as 35, 36 and 37 had been unused in the UK.
When C5 came along, it used 35 and 37 in many areas which meant VCRs needed to be retuned in those places.
The transmitter for Liverpool and Manchester for example had C5 on 48 so no retuning was needed. Other areas did not get C5 so did not need the retune.

More info here if you're interested.
http://625.uk.com/channel5/

Thanks for the link MarkK,and yes i DID exaggerate(unknowingly)

I should have been a bit clearer that CH5 had public service commitments from the start.It is obvious now that NO fifth Irish channel is going to be or able to support much PSB shows.so as i said it in the medium term just for viewers conveniance here makes sense to give 3e 105.
As you know sky resisted this for a long time,but heck it hardly matters now:(
I would have loved the mixed rte news/movie channel become a reality for ch 105.

Elmo

ynotdu wrote: »

I should have been a bit clearer that CH5 had public service commitments from the start.It is obvious now that NO fifth Irish channel is going to be or able to support much PSB shows.so as i said it in the medium term just for viewers conveniance here makes sense to give 3e 105.
As you know sky resisted this for a long time,but heck it hardly matters now:(
I would have loved the mixed rte news/movie channel become a reality for ch 105.

five would be a bit sketchy on the whole public service commercial model of ITV. five was the first commercial channel in the UK via terrestrial means. But I would have to fully see their contract. I think five is more like TV3 here for PBS i.e. it must provide a certain amount of news and current affairs and very little else.

I think a new Irish commercial service could if it wanted provide more PSB TV than TV3 is currently providing, if it had the right funding behind it. But outside of that wishful thinking new Irish services should be set up to take over the €30million that goes out of the country to UK broadcasters or at least eat into that nice little earn for them.

Channel 6 was not issued a Public Service Licence. I think Sky held of putting it at 105 because it will more than likely eat into Sky One's Irish viewing 2.5% overall. But their is no guarantee that 3e will eat into any established channels audience.

bluemooner

they will get a lot more viewers! i like it

icdg

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Well, whatever about the merits or otherwise of 3e or Setanta being on Sky, why would you reckon that a local Dublin TV station should be on it ?

Why not Channel South ?

Channel South is City Channel by another name of course, more-or-less. Whether City Channel want to go on Sky or not is their business, of course and was not the point I was making.

The point I was making is that 3e's claim to the EPG 105 slot seems to be based solely on being Irish. So what gives them a better claim to it than Setanta or any other Irish cable or satellite channel.

Let me be frank here: 3e is not a public service broadcaster. It has no public service obligations. It is not even a free to air broadcaster, it is impossible to view (even on Sky) without some sort of subscription to a pay-television package. Apart from those 3e News Updates and the studio analysis around Europa League matches (in which there are no Irish teams remaining), it has now no original programming whatsover - all its original programming (such as it was) having being axed last year when TV3 took over. Its only other Irish programming is repeats of shows already shown on TV3.

In those circumstances I don't see why it has any claim to a priority slot on an electronic programme guide.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

Channel South is City Channel by another name of course, more-or-less. Whether City Channel want to go on Sky or not is their business, of course and was not the point I was making.

Part owned by UPC.

In those circumstances I don't see why it has any claim to a priority slot on an electronic programme guide.

Especially when BBC 1 and 2 are so far up.

they will get a lot more viewers! i like it

Wishful thinking on TV3's part.

ynotdu

by the criteria some are suggesting then Sky1 should get a spot somewhere outside of the Entertainment section if 3e is THAT terrible.
It was never the vision for 3e to get the 105 spot but it seems to me Reality has bitten!
even with its miniscule amount of PSB 3e is at least equal to the crappy sky1,neither would you see say a Celtic match on sky1(reserved for premium subs,or a movie(hardly ever)

but wait...........Murdoch owns sky and if ITV folds He would no doubt take 103:D
It is just silly to begrudge 105 to 3e until the unlikely event that a proper NEW PSB comes along!

*waits till Hell freezes over*

Mossy Monk

Linku wrote: »

or 105 given to RTÉ One+1

I hope RTÉ One +1 never sees the light of day.

Elmo

ynotdu wrote: »

by the criteria some are suggesting then Sky1 should get a spot somewhere outside of the Entertainment section if 3e is THAT terrible.
It was never the vision for 3e to get the 105 spot but it seems to me Reality has bitten!
even with its miniscule amount of PSB 3e is at least equal to the crappy sky1,neither would you see say a Celtic match on sky1(reserved for premium subs,or a movie(hardly ever)

but wait...........Murdoch owns sky and if ITV folds He would no doubt take 103:D
It is just silly to begrudge 105 to 3e until the unlikely event that a proper NEW PSB comes along!

*waits till Hell freezes over*

Sky own sky hence why they are on 106, 107 and 108 you are right they should be futher up but lets face it Sky 1, 2 and 3 only have about 1% of the UK audience, Sky One has been more widely available in Ireland since its start up hence it has 2.5% of the audience. A good EPG position does help your channel ITV2 has far more viewers in the UK than Sky Three even though Sky Three is as available as ITV2.

3e put the soccer on because they are desparate to get some viewers TV3 would have shown it on FTA TV3 had they not got Pay TV 3e.

ITV won't fold they won't let it (the government), Sky even own a portion of ITV and Sky would then have to contend with STV and UTV.

miniscule amount of PSB 3e = 0. There is no PSB on 3e, this is the first time that TV3 have even admitted that TV3 is a PSB, purely to gain a better position on Sky's EPG.

Sky could have put 3e on 109. When hell does freeze over I wonder if Sky will move 3e to 109 to make room for the new PBS?

Wonder how much this is costing TV3? Might be better spend on some TV programmes.

ongarite

3e has moved to 105 as of today on the Sky Ireland EPG.

Elmo

ongarite wrote: »

3e has moved to 105 as of today on the Sky Ireland EPG.

woo who

ynotdu

Elmo wrote: »

woo who

Elmo, you cynic!!!!!:D

keith99

ynotdu wrote: »

Elmo, you cynic!!!!!:D

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, info <info@tv3.ie> wrote:
> Dear Keith,
>
>
> TV3 believe that there will be greater interest among Irish audiences in the Man Utd v CSKA Moscow game
> and this was the reasoning behind its choosing.
>
> 3e is currently available only on satellite (Sky Digital) and cable. It is anticipated that 3e will be part of the DTT system;
> its status are free-to-air versus encrypted is not yet known, though it is hoped that it will be a FTA channel.
>
> Kind regards,
> Info 'TV3
>

Mossy Monk

Until they fix the widescren switching I refuse to watch it.

Elmo

keith99 wrote: »

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, info <info@tv3.ie> wrote:
> Dear Keith,
>
>
> TV3 believe that there will be greater interest among Irish audiences in the Man Utd v CSKA Moscow game
> and this was the reasoning behind its choosing.
>
> 3e is currently available only on satellite (Sky Digital) and cable. It is anticipated that 3e will be part of the DTT system;
> its status are free-to-air versus encrypted is not yet known, though it is hoped that it will be a FTA channel.
>
> Kind regards,
> Info 'TV3
>

Might, DTT might happen. It might not, it could it might it will but when????

medoc

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Until they fix the widescren switching I refuse to watch it.

It's still not fixed, if TV3 want us to believe that 3e is a PSB channel surely they should notice something like that. Channel 6 could do it why not 3e.Although most of joe public doesn't know the difference its still no excuse. I'm thinking of gettin the Sky 1 pack again but I wont watch 3e either until its fixed. I mailed them on this topic months ago on a few ocasions through their website and also by direct email but I never got any response.

ynotdu

medoc wrote: »

It's still not fixed, if TV3 want us to believe that 3e is a PSB channel surely they should notice something like that. Channel 6 could do it why not 3e.Although most of joe public doesn't know the difference its still no excuse. I'm thinking of gettin the Sky 1 pack again but I wont watch 3e either until its fixed. I mailed them on this topic months ago on a few ocasions through their website and also by direct email but I never got any response.

Does nobody agree that they are just doing well to stay on-air the state the economy is in?
revenue from ADs has gone through the floor{alongside the Independant broadcasters in the UK}

Does Ireland need 5 PSB's? Shoud RTE.s second TV channel supported by the license fee be put out to tender?

IMO everything should be up for grabs and if a new Broadcaster can prove they can outbid the TV3/3E combination by all means give the new broadcaster the 105 slot.
There is absolutly no reason to believe that it is going to happen though as SKY the BCI and people who realise that as a result of the recession the {Broadcast world}and Real world have changed forever.
Sky have proven in the past that they are Shrewd in knowing were the wind blows and being Realists have realised that 105 was going to remain vacant on the Irish EPG for the long term:(

Elmo

If TV3 and 3E were doing something interesting I would be the first to say that they are doing well to be surviving the recession. (Grudgingly but I would say it).

3E doesn't employ any staff and TV3 had reduced their staff by 50. This means that The TV3 Group have significantly reduced their number of staff to 200 while increase their output. For 3E it is a little easier since they buy in all of their products and get repeats from TV3, no really money is actually spent on 3E indeed many of the US and UK shows shown on the channel could just be as easily be shown on TV3.

But TV3 Irish output has a lot to be desired, and it lacks variety. Take each of their shows. Ireland AM is various segments broken up by News and Sport, The Morning Show is just an extension of that and Midday is really just an extension of that, with small differences between each show but in reality they remain daytime chat shows in the same studios, News at 5:30 and Expose are just extensions of themselves, Xpose could do something different but its is just a longer verision of TV3's original Entertainment slot on 3News, while replaces 50% of 3News. Vincent Browne is good but it is just really a late night version of Midday with different topics. This means that 200 staff are now working on 7hours a day of television, which is up by 2hours. Plus their celeb, news rehash, populist in house documentaries which really aren't worth the work (I would say money but they aren't given any). Where is all of the other programme they should be providing, Documentaries, Dramas, Comedy, Soap Operas, Talent Shows etc etc?

As for RTÉ Two. This year has been a disgrace on the channel. But lets point out that RTÉ TWO is 2 channels not one, and RTÉ in fairness to them produces Children's TV something that no commercial broadcaster is providing in Ireland, so as adults we may all look at their schedule from 7pm to 2am we forget that from 6am to 7pm RTÉ provides nearly 13hours of children's television.

105 could have remained vacant, Sky could have back in 2006 put Channel 6 at 109 after Sky 1 - 3, they are able to push out BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, C4 and C5 for Irish audience and indeed many other spin off UK PSB channels, why couldn't they push out Watch? Perhaps if C6 had got 109 they would have survived, indeed if they had got 105 I would have been much happier because at least they provided other Irish programming, even if it was kept to the bare minimum.

What I want from any channel is variety, TV3 doesn't provide that. If TV3 were providing several different shows across its schedule rather than cheap studio based productions then I would have far more praise for them. I don't consider them part of the smart economy, if they are only there to spend the majority of their money on foreign imports.

Also 3E News which TV3 are planning isn't variety it is just the same service provided on TV3, it will cost them very little to produce.

ynotdu

Hi Elmo,although we seem to see things through a diffrient perspective{at times}
I try not to be a 'begrudger'and have to say your response was thought provoking and comprehensive.
It is a discussion site after all and to say the least You make your points very eloquently.
cheers

Elmo

No probs. I would just like to reiterate that the reason that I amn't as critical of RTÉ is because there are many many "boardesters" that are and I don't need to reiterate their feelings on the subject of RTÉ. I think RTÉ TWO's prime time schedule is a shambles, and this is a problem that RTÉ will have to improve on soon, Dancing with the Stars isn't going to help.

There are very few people being critical of TV3, this is mainly because "they don't get the TV licence". TV3 are a service your allowed be critical of them, they are after all there to provide competition to RTÉ, if you don't have strong competition you don't have a strong industry.

BTW while I might seem to begrudge TV3 their status, I have outlined why I begrudge them it, it basically comes down to them really not working very hard for it, and I am not talking about their over worked staff who I can only praise. I would love for TV3 to be more than it is but I know they have no really plans to produce all that much prime time TV and that isn't down to the Licence Fee .

Skid

The Continuity announcer on TV3 just advised that Shark was now starting on 3e, "That's Sky Channel 182"

Eh, not for the last two weeks it isn't (now on Sky 105)

Sloppy work by TV3 considering they are running trailers to promote the EPG change.

bazzer

I wonder what 3e will do now to their pseudo-text service.

Their front page still advertises 3e on Sky 182, the same page number they use for listing their daily schedule. Now that the channel has moved to Sky 105, this clashes with a page number they already use for their 'news' !

iseegirls

Elmo wrote: »

No probs. I would just like to reiterate that the reason that I amn't as critical of RTÉ is because there are many many "boardesters" that are and I don't need to reiterate their feelings on the subject of RTÉ. I think RTÉ TWO's prime time schedule is a shambles, and this is a problem that RTÉ will have to improve on soon, Dancing with the Stars isn't going to help.

Yeah how and why they put Dancing With The Stars on RTE2 is just terrible - a better slot would have been Sat or Sunday afternoons on RTE1. Also seen this week that The Bill has moved to RTE2 on a Monday night for the hour shows. Yet another strange decision. Have to agree with Elmo and say that RTE2 has gone downhill a lot over the past while.

Elmo

iseegirls wrote: »

Also seen this week that The Bill has moved to RTE2 on a Monday night for the hour shows.

They moved it because the extended The Afternoon Show over on One. But they could have moved it to 7pm Monday - Friday in line with what they had been doing over on RTÉ One. (Not that I am a big fan of The Bill, TV3 should get a Simulcast with ITV )

I wonder what 3e will do now to their pseudo-text service.

You would think that at this stage they would have put the full 3text on 3E. 3e isn't even part of 180 on TV3, and TV3 Management are complaining that RTÉ put in with the cable and sat guide in the RTÉ Guide.

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

TV3 Management are complaining that RTÉ put in with the cable and sat guide in the RTÉ Guide.

What is there to complain about. Isn't that what 3e is?