How you keep someone banned from shop?

Dublindude69

I work at a store and he constantly have problems with a certin Traviller family constantly coming in and stealing. They can't deny it because we clearly have them on camera stealing things.
The problem is they come in about twice a week. When we tell them to leave because they are banned they just stare at you. I'm fed up with them, they buy like €5 worth of stuff and end up stealing about €50. We've gotten the law involved, one of them was even arrested before because they stole money but they are still coming in.
Why won't they leave, we asked the guardi to explain to them all they are perma banned after the money thing but they just don't take a hint.
I'm fed up explaining why they are banned, I just get "I'm not banned" all the time and I have to explain they are, always.
I wish they would at least steal soap and some deodrant. Damn Connors.

Hal1

Taze them, problem solved. Next!

or do what Spar do

Daroxtar

Kill them. Permabanned.

cGirl

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Ruu_Old

Shoot them when they are walking away..oh wait you can't do that in Ireland.

ScumLord

Give them jobs.

Rabies

Get footage of them returning and stealing again then get them trespassed.

MrStuffins

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Are you just trying to cause an arguement?

Hal1

ScumLord wrote: »

Give them jobs.

Yeah I like that idea, reverse psychology. Tell them if they steal again it's coming out of their wages lol.

G_R

beat them with a hurl each time they come in...

they'll soon learn...

citizen_p

buy a pieball poney

cGirl

MrStuffins wrote: »

Are you just trying to cause an arguement?

No, I'm genuinely curious as to the relevance that has to his post.

gandhi123

Bit of a crazy idea here but I'm just gonna throw it our there...

Security guard???

No???

I'm sorry , that was a stupid idea:o

tanyaog2007

the guards will do fU*CK all they are afraid of them, makes me sick they can do what they like and nothn is done about it , if it was just a other nomal family doing that im sure it would be a diffrent story :mad:

Rabies

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Because they are

If it was a group of scumbag little kids of the depths of Tallaght, they'd be called that.

Calling someone a traveller that is a traveller, isn't a problem.
Degrading travellers is a problem.

Stealing is stealing. The posters has identified who it was

tanyaog2007

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

and why wouldnt he say thay are knackers , if it was a non knacker family he prob more then likely wouldnt have the problem because the guards wud have sorted them out

msg11

Just tell them there rights of trade has been with drawn from the store and there's no explaining. You don't have to serve them let them in if ye don't want them there. END of its a shop not a lawyers firm/garda station/charity shop.

Also at this stage, ye don't have to be nice so. Just be a prick too.

cGirl

Rabies wrote: »

Because they are

If it was a group of scumbag little kids of the depths of Tallaght, they'd be called that.

Calling someone a traveller that is a traveller, isn't a problem.
Degrading travellers is a problem.

Stealing is stealing. The posters has identified who it was

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

the_syco

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Some scumbags fear the law. They can be fined, as the Gardai know where they live. Travellers cannot be fined as easily, as they can just move address over night. They know this, and thus the bad ones can ignore most of these laws the rest of us obey.

MrStuffins

msg11 wrote: »

Just tell them there rights of trade has been with drawn from the store and there's no explaining. You don't have to serve them let them in if ye don't want them there. END of its a shop not a lawyers firm/garda station/charity shop.

Also at this stage, ye don't have to be nice so. Just be a prick too.

He's not serving them, that's the problem.

MrStuffins

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

If they were a bunch of little skangers, i'd have said so. If they were a load of little 8 year old brats, i'd have said so.

I don't think the OP has insinuated that all travelers are shop-lifters, just happens the shop lifters he speaks of are travelers

waitinforatrain

Dublindude69 wrote: »

I work at a store and he constantly have problems with a certin Traviller family constantly coming in and stealing. They can't deny it because we clearly have them on camera stealing things.
The problem is they come in about twice a week. When we tell them to leave because they are banned they just stare at you. I'm fed up with them, they buy like €5 worth of stuff and end up stealing about €50. We've gotten the law involved, one of them was even arrested before because they stole money but they are still coming in.
Why won't they leave, we asked the guardi to explain to them all they are perma banned after the money thing but they just don't take a hint.
I'm fed up explaining why they are banned, I just get "I'm not banned" all the time and I have to explain they are, always.
I wish they would at least steal soap and some deodrant. Damn Connors.

You're making a fool out of yourself 'explaining' to them over and over. They know well, they also know you won't do anything about it.

SV

Just hire a security guard ffs.

ScumLord

Can't you get a restraining order or something?

waitinforatrain

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

Shup with your PC ****e, of course it's relevant that they're travellers. You wouldn't get a settled family doing that again and again and getting away with it. And there's a limit to how far you can push a traveller without making yourself an enemy of the whole family.

Senna

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me

Apology accepted, move along.

Dublindude69

SV wrote: »

Just hire a security guard ffs.

That's not up to me and the higher ups won't do it.

beardo81

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

You know what, your totally right, in fact he probably deserves everything he gets for pointing out who they are. That'll teach him to try and protect his living. :rolleyes:

Posy

SV wrote: »

Just hire a security guard ffs.

Didn't somebody already suggest giving some of them jobs?

neil_hosey

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

... a true guardian of the travelling community:rolleyes:

liah

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

Ah knock off the PC stuff, this is AH, and if they were travellers and he identified them as such I really am not seeing the problem.

You're just out looking for a fight. Let it alone. There's more in life to worry about.

Will

6 easy steps to solve your problem

1 - Challenge the lad to a fight. Travellers love fighting.
2 - Stipulate that the fight is to be held in 1 month.
3 - If he wins he can come back to the shop, if you win he can't.
4 - Take up MMA lessons for the month and train hard.
5 - Kick his freakin ass
6 - Live happily ever after

brendansmith

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

Lets make a difference!

MrStuffins

Posy wrote: »

Didn't somebody already suggest giving some of them jobs?

Funnily enough, when i was a kid i worked in a pub. There was this one guy who always caused murder, thought he was Steven Seagal! He used to batter all the bouncers until no bouncer would work there anymore.

So they hired him as bouncer and the trouble stopped :pac:

gandhi123

Dublindude69 wrote: »

That's not up to me and the higher ups won't do it.

Well if they steal €50 worth of stuff went they come in and they come in as often as they do then the higher ups should do somthing about it.... they'd save alot more money in the long run.. prob too scabby to fork out more wages..:mad:

You've got to spend money to make money to stop yourself getting F@ckin robbed!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Posy

MrStuffins wrote: »

Funnily enough, when i was a kid i worked in a pub. There was this one guy who always caused murder, thought he was Steven Seagal! He used to batter all the bouncers until no bouncer would work there anymore.
So they hired him as bouncer and the trouble stopped :pac:

Ha! That's smart thinking. :pac:

Rabies

waitinforatrain wrote: »

Shup with your PC ****e, of course it's relevant that they're travellers. You wouldn't get a settled family doing that again and again and getting away with it. And there's a limit to how far you can push a traveller without making yourself an enemy of the whole family.

Yes you do get settled families doing it again and again. Shoplifting goes across all social demographics.

ejmaztec

Posy wrote: »

Ha! That's smart thinking. :pac:

It is if you want your shop stripped bare within 5 minutes.:eek:

Dublindude69

I was thinking of recording their behavior on my phone and uplaoding the videos of it to youtube.

Rabies

The Walsho,

Your racial joke comment is removed.

sneakerfreak

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again...I don't feel he specifically needed to point out that people of a certain cultural background came into his shop to steal. He would have gotten comments just as constructive had he said "people". They are people, right? I'm not trying to cause an argument, this is just something I take issue with.

lol ur cute

Epic Tissue

I agree that the OP didn't need to point out that they were travellers. It doesn't change the story at all.

heno86

of course it changes the story travellers dont play by our rules,the majority do wat they want and try take advantage of decent people wit no fear of the consequences,obviously der are regular people like dis but der a lot easier to deal with,i hate unnecessary political correctness:mad: "they're not knackers they are members of the native irish travelling constituency"

aDeener

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Because they are thieving by nature

Tha Gopher

cGirl wrote: »

Why the need to specifically point out that they're travellers?

Because they aremorelikely than settled peopletocommitcrime?

Because they are something like 0.7%of the population but 10% of the prison population?

Because during our economic boom a rather large 88% of adult travellers simply couldnt be bothered working?

cGirl wrote: »

Silly me, thinking maybe they could be described as "people". Maybe I just picked up the insinuation that the problem here was Oh, gosh, the travellers are at it again....

The travellers were at it again. By at it, playing up to their stereotype.

Rabies wrote: »

The Walsho,

Your racial joke comment is removed.

What was the joke? Please be aware that travellers are not a seperate race- they are ethnic Irish. They maintain their own accent and culture through self imposed cultural isolation.They are physically distinguishable from generations of marriage between extended family members. But they are not a seperate race. Traveller jokes are about as racist as Kerry/ Cavan/ Northsider/ D4 jokes.

seanybiker

If the OP didnt mention that they where cream crackers I would of suggested that they where cream crackers as Im sure most other people would have.
Rob their rings and they will be so upset they might not come back. As in spray them with water and dettol until the ring of dirt around their necks is gone.

DamoDLK

Throw soap at them - they'd HATE that.

MarkR

Put up a sign outside the door saying "Job Centre" or something. Scobes won't go past that.

asdasd

Traveller jokes are about as racist as Kerry/ Cavan/ Northsider/ D4 jokes.

Yep, all the criteria for describing travellers as a race would work with all these groups - a tendancy to intermarry, unique dialects, etc. Dublin 4 actually has a ethnic heritage which might actually be influenced by a non-Irish biology in parts ( old-English).

the invention of travellers as a race is an example of LeftWing double speak. We are encouraged to believe that race doesnt exist, it is a cultural construct. There is such thing as race. Chinese and Irish, exactly the same. Nigerians and Swedes, exactly the same.

Settled family called Wards, and Travellers called Ward. Totally different.

Race doesnt exist in the entire world except for Irish Travellers, who look like us, have our surnames, and talk with a mid-West accent.

Why? because criticism based on Class is acceptable, and in fact - expected ( watch Mock the Week in England for instance).

Re-Invent a problematic class or Lumpens as a race and then you can whine about how "racist" the proles are, whilst living far away from the problem areas.

As to why halting sites never go to rich areas - since they can go anywhere? I dont know? I just cant say. I cant think why.

Corkfeen

OP probably should have posted this in other forum. Will never work in AH.
Get some attack dogs who can recognise travellers.

tedstriker

There is not much you can do. I'd put pictures of them from the CCTV stealing on the window. They won't like that and will probably still come back but at least it is some satisfaction.