After 25 years, it was all in vein....

Elliemental

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Romell-Brown-Ohio-Prison-Injection-Failed-Vein-Attempt-Postpones-Execution-On-Death-Row/Article/200909315382334?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_2&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15382334_Romell_Brown_Ohio_Prison_Injection_Failed_Vein_Attempt_Postpones_Execution_On_Death_Row

Aodan83

If they just stuck with good old fashioned beheadings (with a guillotine) they wouldnt have that problem.

Rented Mule

He raped and murdered a 14 year old girl.

He got 25 more years than his victim.

Eff him and he can rot in hell.

PCPhoto

at least he knows he'll never be a junkie

in fairness ... deserves what he is due to get..... why dont we have proper punishments like that, our rapists/murders get less than 10years and walk out and sometimes re-offend.

pikachucheeks

He committed a horrible crime, he doesn't deserve the right to choose his own fate. "Beyond inhumane" were his actions that led him to prison in the first place. He should sit in that cell for the rest of his life, not be pardoned with an injection.

Dartz

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Mossy Monk

Why not put him in front of a firing squad? Same result.

galwayrush

The strangest thing they do regarding death by lethal injection is the fact that they always sterilise the needle first.:rolleyes:

murfie

He deserved that two hours of agony, knowing that he probably put that young girl through much worse. eye for an eye.

babbler

It's all a bit barbaric and 'eye for an eye' etc. The state should not legalise revenge IMO

Elliemental

galwayrush wrote: »

The strangest thing they do regarding death by lethal injection is the fact that they always sterilise the needle first.:rolleyes:

There actually is a logical explanation for that, I think its` because if the execution is put off at the last minute (like the very last second,when the needle is in, but the dose hasn`t yet been administered), then there will be no risk of infection. Something like that anyway.

murfie

The state should not legalise revenge IMO

why not? rape and murder should have its consequences. death by injection is letting him off light.

Wishbone Ash

galwayrush wrote: »

The strangest thing they do regarding death by lethal injection is the fact that they always sterilise the needle first.:rolleyes:

.......and rub the site of entry with a medi-swab to prevent infection. And of course, one has to be in good physical health prior to execution.

Elliemental

pikachucheeks wrote: »

He committed a horrible crime, he doesn't deserve the right to choose his own fate. "Beyond inhumane" were his actions that led him to prison in the first place. He should sit in that cell for the rest of his life, not be pardoned with an injection.

Do you not think people like this have degraded humanity enough already, that putting them to death will not simply validate thier actions further? And although there is no suggestion that the man involved in this case is in any way innocent, i`m sure that plenty of innocent people have been put to death. What about them? And should we not keep the desire for revenge totally separate from the desire for justice.

PirateShampoo

Elliemental wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

Poor sod?

Personally i think he should be fed alive to pigs feet first.

Neamhshuntasach

I'm all for the death penalty but there have been a lot of exonerated death row inmates over the years. Over 200 i believe. A lot of convictions in the US are questionable and based on the flimiest of evidence.

My name is URL

I helped Del's mouse become a circus mouse. Gonna live in a mouse city.

Elliemental

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Poor sod?

Personally i think he should be fed alive to pigs feet first.

As I posted above, I also believe in second chances. As foolish as that sounds.

babbler

murfie wrote: »

why not? rape and murder should have its consequences. death by injection is letting him off light.

It won't bring the victim back.

Riddle101

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Why not put him in front of a firing squad? Same result.

That's a hero's death and this man is far from a hero. I'd rather see him thrown into a pit of Rats and left there to rot.

PirateShampoo

babbler wrote: »

It's all a bit barbaric and 'eye for an eye' etc. The state should not legalise revenge IMO

And if it was your daughter?

And its not revenge its justice.

PirateShampoo

Riddle101 wrote: »

That's a hero's death and this man is far from a hero. I'd rather see him thrown into a pit of Rats and left there to rot.

How's that a Heros death, in both world wars it was the death of Tratiors and deserters. In Asian countrys its the prefered method of execution. Your family even have to pay for the bullet.

murfie

babbler wrote: »

It won't bring the victim back.

Agreed

Thats not the point of the death penalty, its what he deserves for such a disgusting act of violence and murder. Makes me sick to think about it. He will be put to death so he doesnt do the same again to another innocent 14 year old.

soundsham

i would have happily injected him through the top of his penis, if it didn't kill him i would try again every day he was alive......

i think it still wouldn't be good enough for him

Elliemental

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And if it was your daughter?

And its not revenge its justice.

And what if it was your son/daughter who`d been falsely accused of such a crime, and was facing the death penalty, and an out of control lynch mob baying for his/her blood? Honestly, think about it. This happens all the time.

jaffa20

I can see where this thread is going

PirateShampoo

Elliemental wrote: »

And what if it was your son/daughter who`d been falsely accused of such a crime, and was facing the death penalty, and an out of control lynch mob baying for his/her blood? Honestly, think about it. This happens all the time.

But he wasnt falsely accused was he. So your post means nothing. He raped and murdered a child. He deserves to be skined alive.

babbler

Elliemental wrote: »

And what if it was your son/daughter who`d been falsely accused of such a crime, and was facing the death penalty, and an out of control lynch mob baying for his/her blood? Honestly, think about it. This happens all the time.

I agree - we have seen enough miscarriages of justice to know. Would the Birmingham Six still be here if the UK had the death penalty ??

PirateShampoo

babbler wrote: »

I agree - we have seen enough miscarriages of justice to know. Would the Birmingham Six still be here if the UK had the death penalty ??

I must of missed the part where they rape and murder a 14 year old :rolleyes:

The_Minister

When I read the thread title I was ready to do a size 8 font post pointing out that the word was "vain".

That is all.

blubloblu

Elliemental wrote: »

doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection.

They weren't doctors, hippocratic oath and all that means that executioners tend to be untrained medically.

Elliemental

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But he wasnt falsely accused was he. So your post means nothing. He raped and murdered a child. He deserves to be skined alive.

I was responding to something that you posted, asking `What if it was your daughter?`, I wasn`t referring to the case in my OP. So yes, my post means something.

PirateShampoo

Elliemental wrote: »

I was responding to something that you posted, asking `What if it was your daughter?`, I wasn`t referring to the case in my OP. So yes, my post means something.

Not really, i asked you would you believe in second chances if somebody did this 2 your daughter.

Your response was to ramble on about people being falsely accused and lynch mobs.

Elliemental

babbler wrote: »

I agree - we have seen enough miscarriages of justice to know. Would the Birmingham Six still be here if the UK had the death penalty ??

No, is the simple answer. The same goes for the Guildford Four, the guy who was accused of murdering that TV presenter and countless others who`ve spent decades of their lives in prison for murders they didn`t commit. I sometimes wonder whether the British have ever managed to convict a person whowas actually guilty.

Elliemental

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Not really, i asked you would you believe in second chances if somebody did this 2 your daughter.

Your response was to ramble on about people being falsely accused and lynch mobs.

And I put to you a hypothetical situation in which one of your loved ones was in a position of being falsely accused, but I can see that all I`m going to get out of you is typical, right wing hang `em and flog `em knee jerk reactions, so i`m giving up now.

Dudess

Elliemental wrote: »

I was reading about this poor sod

"Poor sod"? I'm opposed to the death penalty too but I don't think it's appropriate to make a martyr of him.

Elliemental wrote: »

Do you not think people like this have degraded humanity enough already, that putting them to death will not simply validate thier actions further?

I think Pikachucheeks was saying he should spend life in a prison cell, not that he should be put to death.

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And if it was your daughter?

Well of course anyone whose daughter it is would be biased, but they don't make the laws.

SoWatchaWant

Elliemental wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Romell-Brown-Ohio-Prison-Injection-Failed-Vein-Attempt-Postpones-Execution-On-Death-Row/Article/200909315382334?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_2&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15382334_Romell_Brown_Ohio_Prison_Injection_Failed_Vein_Attempt_Postpones_Execution_On_Death_Row

Your moral high-horse attitude is juxtaposed somewhat by the poor pun.

Blazer

Personally I'd put him through this every week until he died of natural causes in prison...
Death is too good for him.:mad:

tallaght01

blubloblu wrote: »

They weren't doctors, hippocratic oath and all that means that executioners tend to be untrained medically.

I hope that's true. But docs are involved in executions in some ways, which makes me mad. I just don't know how people who are trained to only help can assist with state sanctioned murder.

Riddle101

PirateShampoo wrote: »

How's that a Heros death, in both world wars it was the death of Tratiors and deserters. In Asian countrys its the prefered method of execution. Your family even have to pay for the bullet.

It was also the preferred execution of a lot of rebel leaders who believe it to be a soliders death. Most notebly Wolfe Tone. Of course I call it a heros death for the fact that the 1916 Rising Leaders were all exectuted that way. But nonetheless this Romell Brown fellow deserves a painful death. He should be hung.

waitinforatrain

Elliemental wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

It's bad enough that most civilised countries don't have the death penalty...

ScumLord

There are easier, more humane ways to kill a person, BBC did a documentary on how to kill a human, the best way was hypoxia using an inert gas, the death was could be almost euphoric. Even the lethal injection has a high chance of being an agonising death but the Americans don't care they want the people on death row to suffer and after reading what that guy done you can see why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo1RTebuonk

brendansmith

They should have a perspex crusher for this sorta thing

msg11

Dartz wrote: »

Riding the Lightning

Broadcast live on Fox, the electrocution of Sonny T Rapist. Sponsered[sic] by Ammunation Firearms wholesalers... Protect yourself and your family from men like this today today! Invoke your 5th Amendment rights.

Bye or Fry? Offenders subject to a live public vote for clemency. A portion of proceeds from all call goes to the victim's family!

Riding the Lightning on Fox. 9PM CST. For Justice, Freedom and the American Way!

Sound like an AD you would hear in Grand Theft Auto..

Posy

Bring back the iron maiden I say.

Manic Moran

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Why not put him in front of a firing squad? Same result.

Not quite. The advantage to the firing squad is that any organs the bullets miss are available for donation. With the other methods, the organs become contaminated or otherwise useless. There is currently someone running around with the retinae of the last chap who was shot by firing squad, which was in Utah a couple of decades ago. Only two States even still have it on the books, and in neither is it the 'first choice'.

Unfortunately, firing squad is considered to cause 'un-necessary pain and suffering' I think judges are taking it a little far: The operative is 'un-necessary', not 'no pain or suffering at all'

NTM

Elliemental

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Your moral high-horse attitude is juxtaposed somewhat by the poor pun.

I apologise for not being all doom and gloom.

Húrin

To be fair, the reason why they executed so many people in the past was not because they were uncivilised because they didn't have the wealth to lock people up for life. Nowadays however executions in countries like America are even more expensive than life imprisonment.

murfie wrote: »

He deserved that two hours of agony, knowing that he probably put that young girl through much worse. eye for an eye.

So medieval!

Sleipnir

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And if it was your daughter?

And its not revenge its justice.

Justice is a very relative term. How about when a court decides that a rapist gets 6 months? That's justice too.
An individual seeking revenge for a wrong commited against them is quite different to state-sponsored execution.

A country deciding when life can or cannot be taken is a lot more dangerous to society as a whole then when a single individual decides to take a life.

robinph

Capital punishment is all about revenge, and nothing to do with justice.

It's also significantly more expensive to go through the whole execution process than to just lock someone up for the rest of their life.

Notorious

Elliemental wrote: »

Do you not think people like this have degraded humanity enough already, that putting them to death will not simply validate thier actions further?

No. I think it acts more as a deterrent to stop potential rapists/murderers/etc. At least I hope it does. And if it doesn't, well they deserve much worse than a lethal injection.