After 25 years, it was all in vein....

Elliemental · 16-09-2009 10:29PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But he wasnt falsely accused was he. So your post means nothing. He raped and murdered a child. He deserves to be skined alive.

I was responding to something that you posted, asking `What if it was your daughter?`, I wasn`t referring to the case in my OP. So yes, my post means something.

PirateShampoo · 16-09-2009 10:31PM

Elliemental wrote: »

I was responding to something that you posted, asking `What if it was your daughter?`, I wasn`t referring to the case in my OP. So yes, my post means something.

Not really, i asked you would you believe in second chances if somebody did this 2 your daughter.

Your response was to ramble on about people being falsely accused and lynch mobs.

Elliemental · 16-09-2009 10:32PM

babbler wrote: »

I agree - we have seen enough miscarriages of justice to know. Would the Birmingham Six still be here if the UK had the death penalty ??

No, is the simple answer. The same goes for the Guildford Four, the guy who was accused of murdering that TV presenter and countless others who`ve spent decades of their lives in prison for murders they didn`t commit. I sometimes wonder whether the British have ever managed to convict a person whowas actually guilty.

Elliemental · 16-09-2009 10:34PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Not really, i asked you would you believe in second chances if somebody did this 2 your daughter.

Your response was to ramble on about people being falsely accused and lynch mobs.

And I put to you a hypothetical situation in which one of your loved ones was in a position of being falsely accused, but I can see that all I`m going to get out of you is typical, right wing hang `em and flog `em knee jerk reactions, so i`m giving up now.

Dudess · 16-09-2009 11:14PM

Elliemental wrote: »

I was reading about this poor sod

"Poor sod"? I'm opposed to the death penalty too but I don't think it's appropriate to make a martyr of him.

Elliemental wrote: »

Do you not think people like this have degraded humanity enough already, that putting them to death will not simply validate thier actions further?

I think Pikachucheeks was saying he should spend life in a prison cell, not that he should be put to death.

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And if it was your daughter?

Well of course anyone whose daughter it is would be biased, but they don't make the laws.

SoWatchaWant · 16-09-2009 11:20PM

Elliemental wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Romell-Brown-Ohio-Prison-Injection-Failed-Vein-Attempt-Postpones-Execution-On-Death-Row/Article/200909315382334?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_2&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15382334_Romell_Brown_Ohio_Prison_Injection_Failed_Vein_Attempt_Postpones_Execution_On_Death_Row

Your moral high-horse attitude is juxtaposed somewhat by the poor pun.

Blazer · 17-09-2009 12:03AM

Personally I'd put him through this every week until he died of natural causes in prison...
Death is too good for him.:mad:

tallaght01 · 17-09-2009 12:51AM

blubloblu wrote: »

They weren't doctors, hippocratic oath and all that means that executioners tend to be untrained medically.

I hope that's true. But docs are involved in executions in some ways, which makes me mad. I just don't know how people who are trained to only help can assist with state sanctioned murder.

Riddle101 · 17-09-2009 12:57AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

How's that a Heros death, in both world wars it was the death of Tratiors and deserters. In Asian countrys its the prefered method of execution. Your family even have to pay for the bullet.

It was also the preferred execution of a lot of rebel leaders who believe it to be a soliders death. Most notebly Wolfe Tone. Of course I call it a heros death for the fact that the 1916 Rising Leaders were all exectuted that way. But nonetheless this Romell Brown fellow deserves a painful death. He should be hung.

waitinforatrain · 17-09-2009 01:08AM

Elliemental wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading about this poor sod in work today. After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection. It`s bad enough that some supposedly civilised countries still have the death penalty, but for it to all go horribly wrong like this, is beyond inhumane.

It's bad enough that most civilised countries don't have the death penalty...

ScumLord · 17-09-2009 01:15AM

There are easier, more humane ways to kill a person, BBC did a documentary on how to kill a human, the best way was hypoxia using an inert gas, the death was could be almost euphoric. Even the lethal injection has a high chance of being an agonising death but the Americans don't care they want the people on death row to suffer and after reading what that guy done you can see why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo1RTebuonk

brendansmith · 17-09-2009 01:19AM

They should have a perspex crusher for this sorta thing

msg11 · 17-09-2009 01:29AM

Dartz wrote: »

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Sound like an AD you would hear in Grand Theft Auto..

Posy · 17-09-2009 01:32AM

Bring back the iron maiden I say.

Manic Moran · 17-09-2009 06:09AM

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Why not put him in front of a firing squad? Same result.

Not quite. The advantage to the firing squad is that any organs the bullets miss are available for donation. With the other methods, the organs become contaminated or otherwise useless. There is currently someone running around with the retinae of the last chap who was shot by firing squad, which was in Utah a couple of decades ago. Only two States even still have it on the books, and in neither is it the 'first choice'.

Unfortunately, firing squad is considered to cause 'un-necessary pain and suffering' I think judges are taking it a little far: The operative is 'un-necessary', not 'no pain or suffering at all'

NTM

Elliemental · 17-09-2009 07:05AM

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Your moral high-horse attitude is juxtaposed somewhat by the poor pun.

I apologise for not being all doom and gloom.

Húrin · 17-09-2009 11:31AM

To be fair, the reason why they executed so many people in the past was not because they were uncivilised because they didn't have the wealth to lock people up for life. Nowadays however executions in countries like America are even more expensive than life imprisonment.

murfie wrote: »

He deserved that two hours of agony, knowing that he probably put that young girl through much worse. eye for an eye.

So medieval!

Sleipnir · 17-09-2009 11:38AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And if it was your daughter?

And its not revenge its justice.

Justice is a very relative term. How about when a court decides that a rapist gets 6 months? That's justice too.
An individual seeking revenge for a wrong commited against them is quite different to state-sponsored execution.

A country deciding when life can or cannot be taken is a lot more dangerous to society as a whole then when a single individual decides to take a life.

robinph · 17-09-2009 11:51AM

Capital punishment is all about revenge, and nothing to do with justice.

It's also significantly more expensive to go through the whole execution process than to just lock someone up for the rest of their life.

Notorious · 17-09-2009 12:32PM

Elliemental wrote: »

Do you not think people like this have degraded humanity enough already, that putting them to death will not simply validate thier actions further?

No. I think it acts more as a deterrent to stop potential rapists/murderers/etc. At least I hope it does. And if it doesn't, well they deserve much worse than a lethal injection.

robinph · 17-09-2009 12:45PM

Notorious wrote: »

No. I think it acts more as a deterrent to stop potential rapists/murderers/etc. At least I hope it does. And if it doesn't, well they deserve much worse than a lethal injection.

It doesn't act as a deterrent one little bit, if it did then there would not be such crimes still occurring in places that have capital punishment. If someone is motivated to commit a crime that may have the death penalty as punishment then they are already well past the point of caring if they might get 10-15 years locked up or a lethal injection. The potential punishment that they may get is irrelevant to them.

The death penalty just makes some freaks, who for some reason think they are civilised people, feel better about themselves and think that justice is being served by another murder happening.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-09-2009 12:52PM

Elliemental wrote: »

After twenty-five years of waiting, his execution was postphoned as doctors could not tap a vein for the lethal injection.

Cool.
*takes notes in case I'm ever imprisoned for a crime I didn't comit*

Capt'n Midnight · 17-09-2009 12:57PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

He raped and murdered a 14 year old girl.

He got 25 more years than his victim.

Eff him and he can rot in hell.

Haven't read the article, but the death sentence in the US is very scewed. If you are rich , white, literate, don't have a low IQ or live in the south east you are far less likely to receive the deat sentence if found guilty of murder.

A lot of deaths were signed off by the Bush brothers, so there is most likely a political aspect. Also he won't rot in hell unless hell exists, but prison does. The death penalty is not a deterent, and by the time you count the appeals on behalf of the person it costs more than life imprisionment !

Sleipnir · 17-09-2009 12:58PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Cool.
*takes notes in case I'm ever imprisoned for a crime I didn't comit*

You'll need to also learn how to promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground.Then, still wanted by the government, you'll need to learn how to survive as a soldier of fortune. After that, If someone has a problem, if no one else can help, and if they can find you, maybe you can be (part of) the A-Team.

MediaTank · 17-09-2009 01:00PM

tallaght01 wrote: »

I hope that's true. But docs are involved in executions in some ways, which makes me mad. I just don't know how people who are trained to only help can assist with state sanctioned murder.

It is. They are 'medical technicians' who hook up the devices. A doctor can't take part because of their oath and are only only there to pronounce death after the drugs have been administered. The technicians are prison employees while the doctor is not.

The reason why the needle is sterilised is because thet's the way it's packaged - they use the same IV needles for executions as for other medical purposes and the reason why the antiseptic is swipe is used is twofold - one it's the correct medical practice before inserting a needle or cannula and secondly in case of a last second reprieve or stay of execution.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-09-2009 01:03PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

at least he knows he'll never be a junkie

in fairness ... deserves what he is due to get..... why dont we have proper punishments like that, our rapists/murders get less than 10years and walk out and sometimes re-offend.

rapists/murders have low re-offend rates ( still way too high though )

a small sub set of them are psycopaths who don't reform and probably should be kept behind bars forever, trying to rehabilitate them may not work as they will pretend to be functional members of society to get out.

the rest should be rehabilitted first, and should not be released until they pose no signifigant threat to the population,

Maybe we should have a bail system for parole / early release , instead of getting out on good behaviour you need someone who can vouch for you that stands to loose quite a lot if you re-offend,

for lesser crimes the re-offend rate means most career criminals are back in jail in a year or two,

TheInquisitor · 17-09-2009 01:03PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Haven't read the article, but the death sentence in the US is very scewed. If you are rich , white, literate, don't have a low IQ or live in the south east you are far less likely to receive the deat sentence if found guilty of murder.

A lot of deaths were signed off by the Bush brothers, so there is most likely a political aspect. Also he won't rot in hell unless hell exists, but prison does. The death penalty is not a deterent, and by the time you count the appeals on behalf of the person it costs more than life imprisionment !

The death penalty would be a detterent if the max appeals you were allowed was 2 within 3 years. Then feed him slowly to ravenous pigs, while pouring salt in his wounds. Anyone that can rape and murder a a 14 year old girl deserves the worst of the worst. I can't believe the OP said she believes in second chances for this guy. There are some thinks that can never ever be forgiven and this is most definitely one of them.

OP what if it was your 14 year old girl he raped tortured and killed. You'd be all lovey dovey to him would you? "Oh lets give him a second chance"to do it again to another 14 year old girl?

Capt'n Midnight · 17-09-2009 01:05PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

In Asian countrys its the prefered method of execution. Your family even have to pay for the bullet.

IIRC this was only done in China , and was done to remind the family that it was their upbringing that was in part responsible. AFAIK they don't do this anymore.

While the US isn't the #1 in executions world wide, they are up there aespecially when it comes to executing juviniles

TheInquisitor · 17-09-2009 01:05PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

rapists/murders have low re-offend rates ( still way too high though )

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The reason they have low reoffend rates is because they are in jail for much longer periods than people in on normal crimes. Should the jail times for normal crimes be doubled. DEFINITELY!

Sleipnir · 17-09-2009 01:06PM

Notorious wrote: »

No. I think it acts more as a deterrent to stop potential rapists/murderers/etc. At least I hope it does. And if it doesn't, well they deserve much worse than a lethal injection.

So, if leathal injection doesn't act as a deterrant because it's not agonising enough,they should be killed using other methods which are as agonising as possible so that others will see how they died and that will deter them?
Torturing some, in order to teach others?

Nice civilisation you've got there.

After 25 years, it was all in vein....

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