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Romanians BOO Madonna
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28-08-2009 5:38pm#1It would seem that Celebrity People Trafficker and Moron "Madonna" is confusing Roma and Romanians, by trying to do a 'Bono' on it, sticking her oar into things she will never understand from behind her electric gates :rolleyes:
This has just made my day LOL!!
Madonna was booed by thousands of fans at a concert in Romania after condemning discrimination against Gypsies.
The pop star was accompanied on stage at the Bucharest park by Roma musicians and a dancer who were initially welcomed with enthusiastic applause. But the crowd turned on the singer when she paused during the two-hour show on Wednesday night to speak out against prejudice suffered by Roma people.
"It has been brought to my attention...that there is a lot of discrimination against Romanies and Gypsies in general in eastern Europe," she said. "It made me feel very sad."
Boos and jeers resounded from the 60,000 strong crowd. Some applauded when she added: "We don't believe in discrimination … we believe in freedom and equal rights for everyone." But there were more boos when she mentioned discrimination against gay people.
The singer ignored the hostile reception to her comments and continued with the concert. Her publicist, Liz Rosenberg, said there were cheers as well as jeers, according to Madonna.
"Madonna has been touring with a phenomenal troupe of Roma musicians who made her aware of the discrimination toward them in several countries so she felt compelled to make a brief statement," said Rosenberg. "She will not be issuing a further statement."
Romania has the largest number of Roma people in the region. Official data puts the figure at 500,000 but some believe the actual number is as high as 2 million.
Human rights advocates say the Roma, who live predominately in southern and eastern Europe, probably suffer more humiliation and endure more discrimination than any other group on the continent.
While many east Europeans are enthusiastic about Gypsy music and dance, one in two of Europe's estimated 12 million Roma claim to have suffered an act of discrimination in the past year, according to an EU report.
In May 2007, Romania's president, Traian Basescu, apologised after he was heard calling a Romanian journalist a "stinky Gypsy" during a conversation with his wife.
In neighbouring Hungary, six Roma have been killed and several wounded in a recent series of apparently racially motivated attacks.
full article here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/28/madonna-booed-at-romania-concert0
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Neamhshuntasach wrote: »I never really wish death on many people. But why can't see be one of the ones who is on an airplane that goes down. Her an a whole bunch of other celebritiries.
maybe we could have a whip around and charter a dodgy old DC10 for them, and fly it over an active volcano :pac:
pile them all in, Madonna, Bono, Kerry Katona, Louis Walsh, Ronan Keating, the entire cast of Friends and Sex and the City.....the list goes on.
now that would be TV worth watching
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marcsignal wrote: »IF she had a brain cell, she might have asked her PR people to do some research before making such a statement in Romania, particularlly at a gig, considering the majority of Romanians don't look favourably on the Roma (and I wonder why??)
Maybe the Romanians still look wistfully back to the days when they and their Nazi chums tried to exterminate the Roma people.She's shit, she mimes and steals African children
Good on the Romanians
Yes good on those homophobic, racist Romanians.0 -
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sock puppet wrote: »Yes good on those homophobic, racist Romanians.
way to go sock puppet, DEFINITELY no blanket generalisation there anyway:pac:She didn't "confuse" Romanians with the Roma. You're closer to doing it than her.
having spent 2 years living with a Romanian family, I'm further from doing it than you'll ever know, as it happens;)You still can't explain the supposed confusion on her part, eh?.
Well i'm guessing that 'Saint' Madonna figured she would be making a poignant point about the plight of the Roma, by enlightning the population of a country like Romania, where so many of them reside. The fact is she couldn't have fucked up more badly, and if she'd pulled her head out of her own arse for a moment, and read something about Romainians and their attitude to the Roma, she wouldn't have.
Perhaps she thought the Romanians were as malleable as the Malawian officials she charmed* when she adopted** those children ???
*may mean bribed
**may mean stoleMaybe she's just one of the best ever real-life trolls.
she's a real life something anyway, gobshite is the word i would have chosen tho..Talk about opening your mouth to put your foot in it.
To Rroma people the term gyspy is a racist term just like chink, paddy, nígger ect.
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She really should have researched what she was talking about before she spoke out. I think it's safe to say that because she was singing with Roma musicians they proberly influenced her into thinking that they were victims of discrimination so she assumed she was fighting for something good by doing it.
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my point exactly Riddle101
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No I don't work for Nat Geo, but have worked doing research for 4 major media organisations in Europe, specifically researching Social changes/attitudes, racism, immigration, and the limitations of integration policies in the context of cultural needs and religious practices.So tell us why. Having read your posts in this thread, you seem to be an expert.
Do you work for National Geographic?
I'm sure your friends brother wasn't pricking around at all, where did i suggest he was ??? I'm more than familiar with conditions in Romanian orphanages, my brother and his wife were the FIRST couple in Ireland to adopt a Romanian baby in the late 80's. Joanne, my neice later became Leinster swimming champion in her age group 3 years in a row in the late 90's, but wtf do romanian orphanages have to do with Roma Gypsies ?Really?
So my friend's brother was just pricking around in Romania when he was building orphanages for charity to help the oh so good Romanian people?
Are you telling me that he wasted three years of his life over there helping the prosperous Romanians? That the wealthy nation of Romania never needed help with anything?
That the Romanians never abandoned children to run down buildings?
Of course there is a PC element to this, and there is an easy way to determine that fact. Just ask any settled single mother to send her child out begging, and see how long it takes social services to knock on her door. The trials and tribulations of living within the system, as a good citizen. The Roma don't seem to be bound by the same rules, and scream 'racism' or 'discrimination' any time the settled community demand that they do. You see they have that card to play, wherby they essentially have an 'opt out clause' from rules they don't like, the same rules that bind the rest of society together.Ahh, the PC argument. Yeah, we're all PC if we defend those who have a bad name.
More later.
which comments ? you can be specific if you wishReally?
Your comments say differently.
you could demand that IF i had said ALL Roma families, but I didn't.I demand evidence that this happens with all Roma families...
I think you'll find that's called 'Putting words in someones mouth' Terry, but that's a common trait of those that try to defend the indefensible, just for the hell of it on a web forum.
walk into any large european city centre area on a weekday, you won't be long seeing the evidence.If you cannot provide this by 5pm on Monday, I will ban you from AH for an indeterminate amount of time..
but heres some from Rome
no children in this clip, but you get the general idea. I'm pretty sure most posters have seen similar things in Dublin, I know I have.
I would argue that the Roma lifestyle is Alternative to any of the groups you mention above. The groups you mention above, apart from the Roma, are still, generally speaking, bound together by a common value system, that they, by and large, are happy to accept, in order for society to function properly. So the comparison has no corrolation and is therefore irrelevant.It's only alternative to you. It's normal for them. As much as not being allowed to drink until you are 21 is normal to Americans, or the age of consent being 16 is normal to most countries in the world, or eating horse meat is normal to most of Western Europe...
I've no doubt idiocy plays its part in many things in the modern world. The fact is, regarding this specific issue, unless the concerns of the majority are addressed, this problem will get worse, and bite us all in the ass 20 years from now. That's why in places like Hungary you have These guys. The Roma are now estimated to make up 26% of the combined population of Romania, Hungary Moldova and Bulgaria. Some other estimates put that at nearly 30%. That is not sustainable in a normal society, least of all one that is in the middle of a recession. The way to avoid the appearance of such groups here, and the groundswell of latent support for them that could follow, is to address the issues at hand now, before emerging hate groups become the reactionary product of an unsustainable mess.Idiocy
there is no point in addressing that point, because it makes absolutely no sense.Probably
Nothing to do with whether i like them or not, but I don't, for the record, and I have good reason.Why? Because you don't like them?
James Tallon age 86 Walkinstown Avenue Dublin, cleaned out by Roma beggars who called to his door in July 2006. The woman distracted him while her 2 small children entered the house and stole 700Euro from an upstairs room.Do you have a genuine reason for not trusting travellers or gypsies?
I'd like to hear it
Austin Kiernan age 92 of Wainsfort Crescent Terenure, who was robbed of his pension book and over 500Euro, in almost exactly the same way, in October 2008, while he was putting out his bins.
Both men are known to me, the first is my uncle, and the second a family friend. On recieving a phone call from his neighbour, I had to race to the house in the first instance, because he had collapsed. If it wasn't for the intervention of 3 Polish lads working in the house next door, they would have gotten away. Fortunately the Police came and the woman was arrested. Not all, of the money was retrieved. So please spare me the bleeding heart bullshit Terry.
well i'm prety sure in the context of the 2 examples Sock Puppet gave me (post #37), yes i believe it has.Has it really moved on, or are people like you just saying that it has moved on?There's still a **** load of ethnic related murders (disguised as war) going on all over the world.
You only have to look at Israel and Palestine to see that.
The Jews are ruthlessly bombing the crap out of Palestine (with backing from the Americans) and the Palestinians are ruthlessly suicide bombing Israel (with the backing of most Middle East countries).
The Chinese are screwing around in Tibet.
The Americans are screwing around in Africa and the Middle East (have they learned nothing from the failure that was the British empire?).
The only difference between 1939 and 2009 is that i you critcise the actions of others now, you are either labelled a hippie or a murderer.
Don't dispute anything you've said there, but these are Geopolitical issues that have no corrolation with some of the reasons some people like or dislike Roma Gypsies.People still can't see that it's all just black and white. Killing people over land/oil/gas/money/gold/old grudges etc. is wrong. Not killing them is right.?
where did i mention anything about killing Roma ?? I don't believe i did.
but thats just one example of how people jump to insane conclusions, because they 'choose' to misinterpret what you say.0 -
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I just have one question.
What's your solution to this percieved problem?
Solution ? Madonnas mouth should be riveted shut, end of
but seriously Terry, the Roma thing is a tough call, and tbh i have no answer, i wish i had an answer that would preserve everyones dignity, but it's out of my league, and i'm no politician. granted i have a gripe about what happened my uncle and the other old man, and i find that hard to deal with.
Sometimes, when I look at these social problems, I think it's like we're sitting on the Titanic, and the people in control are too busy re-arranging the deck chairs to act.
didn't mean any offence with anything i posted, i hope that's a given ?
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That part where ...their kids are verbally abusive and rude ..**** and piss on streets can equally be attributed to some non-roma kids as well tbh..
I can't say I completely agree on that. This is all personal/anecdotal evidence of course, but I have to say I've yet to witness very young children (like, four or five years old) effing and blinding, and spitting at, passers-by with absolutely no provocation, from any other ethnic/cultural group.
Older children and teenagers, yes. Children of that age, no.
I should add that the people p1ssing and sh1tting on the street (in full-view of houses and with young children playing close by) were adult women who I'm sure have fully-functioning toilets in their own houses, as they live nearby. And I must say I've never seen non-Roma people doing that, not in my neighborhood anyway.
Of course, your experience may differ to mine, and I must also add that there are another Roma family living in the area who are very quiet, polite, etc. So they can't all be tarred with the same brush, obviously.
I was in jail (mountjoy (unpaid fines for driving offences)) on Wednesday/Thursday.
The majority of prisoners were Irish.
Before being sent to a cell, I was in a holding cell. 29 of the 30 detainees were Irish. I've no idea where the other guy was from. He had no English and I wasn't really in the mood to ask him where he was from.
Two of them were from Dundalk and the others were from Dublin (either transferred from other prisons or in for repeat offences).
Going by those stats and factoring in that I'm from Kildare, roughly 80% of Dublin people are scumbags and are criminals and have done time.
It's amazing how you can find stats like that by just picking a select few.
Okay...
You do realise your example is ridiculously different to my post, don't you? I never once said that all Roma families behaved like the ones in my estate nor did I offer a foolish statistic like "80% of them are bad/ criminals/etc, etc!" In fact, I think my post was quite balanced and I tried to emphasise that nobody should be discriminated against or abused because they belong to a certain group. And I stand by that.
What I was trying to get across is that a number of them do behave in a negative way. From talking to other people I know, a lot of them have had bad experiences with the Roma group. Like marcsignal said, the negative opinions about them do not just fall out of the sky, they emerged from somewhere. Now, does that mean they should be verbally abused? Of course not. Should they burned out of their homes like what happened recently in the North? No, that was an appalling thing to happen and I would be deeply sad and angry if such a thing were to happen down here.
However, the Roma people playing with Madonna might want to take a look at the actions of some of their community when they complain about discrimination ( as wrong as that discrimination is), that's all I'm saying.
I would just like to add that I find it amusing that some of the comments on here would go completely un-noticed were this a thread about ''Irish scumbags''. Far from getting threats of bans/ infractions, I imagine a lot of 'thanks' would be earned. But it's okay to slag off anti-social, poverty-stricken Irish people, because, y'know, they're Irish. :rolleyes:0 -
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